You totally miss the impact of desktop graphics on a computer (rather than workstation), which Apple made available to consumers (OK, rich consumers). You must be a young whippersnapper.
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Steve Jobs to Be Inducted Into International Photography Hall of Fame
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You totally miss the impact of desktop graphics on a computer (rather than workstation), which Apple made available to consumers (OK, rich consumers). You must be a young whippersnapper.
I don't agree at all. the iPhone 2G/3G had an absolute turd for a camera. I had two non smartphones before my iPhone 3G, and they took better pictures & actually took video. Some may forget that only in the iPhone 3GS the camera became marginally better with the addition of autofocus.
I had a Sony Ericsson W810 (2mp, autofocus) and a Sony Ericsson K800 which had a 3.2mp camera AND a real flash (not LED).
Going to the iPhone 3G was a serious downgrade in image quality, 3GS was just marginally better because of the autofocus, but the sensor still sucked.
IMO the iPhone 4 camera was the first to be decent enough to take everyday pics & videos. Sony Ericsson was a much earlier leader in mobile camera technology (and offered so many different variety of phones with different camera capabilities) than Apple. Apple camera only became popular due to the sheer volume of sales, not because it was any good at the beginning.
Although you cannot make any medical claims stating if Steve would be here or not today. I do feel if he had followed the advice of what his doctors were providing to him, he may have had a prolonged life, versus actually defeating Pancreatic cancer entirely, which no one had the answer to his future.
No kidding.... he might even suggest:
--less fragmentation
--less pandering to the shareholders and their obsession with profits
--and last (but by no means least), fewer software glitches
Of course as Tim is less of an inventor, and more of a manager/administrator, #2 is regrettably his main job security.
And I say regrettably because if Tim had many patents to his name, and possessed those visionary qualities to dream up industry-changing products, he could afford to worry less about Apple's profits and concentrate more on a superb user experience, such as was Steve's obsession, without jeopardizing his position at the top.
That said, Tim has done an adequate job so far, although the groundwork for today's successes was of course laid before his time as CEO. What were we even expecting.....obviously only a one-in-a-billion individual could fill Steve's shoes.....
I am sorry but this award should go to Jonathan Ives... The designer of almost all Apple products that we enjoy today, including the iPhone.
Since apparently it's mostly about quantity and popularity, the award should go to all the millions who constantly upload pictures of whatever they're eating.
They've totally changed photography as we used to know it.
They've totally changed photography as we used to know it.
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I recognize Jobs absolutely as an entrepreneur but not as an inventor - what did he (as a person) invent from scratch? Most of the stuff attributed to Steve is him directing others and giving design cues; some of which miserably failed or he had to retract.
Not an inventor in my book.
Not an inventor in my book.
Yes, now that my parents have had iPhones for almost 4 years, they don't even use their point and shoots anymore. It's just so easy now to take good quality photos and share them across a multitude of ways. And because of the ease, I feel like photography and videography has grown exponentially. I probably have 6000 videos of my dog growing up since he was a puppy. I would never have done or thought of doing so with a regular camera as the effort is too much for our busy lives.
People can knock on the brands, the OS, etc but in the end, these devices have changed the way we live and do things. That alone is amazing.
He was an inventor? HA HA HA thats funny. I don't understand why so many people "miss" steve jobs. The guy was a complete asshat and total dick..he's dead and not a huge loss
I have to agree with others citing the undeniable fact that mobile phones equipped with cameras existed long before the iPhone. What Apple did was put a camera in a phone that didn’t suck.
Had the iPhone, or touch screen phones in general, never arrived, the cameras in crappy cell phones would have improved, and usage would have also increased, even if perhaps with more expletives accompanying the process.
Effective distribution has been more a function of the internet itself, whether through Facebook or even ancient email.
Did Apple bring unprecedented simplicity through the platform and software, much like it did with the iPod, perhaps…the anti-Apple folks might disagree. Yet, unlike the iPod, which was initially designed to deliver music to the user, Apple failed to place any notable priority on its camera until a few iterations in, by which time other smartphone companies had already displayed more awareness of the camera's importance.
As for the ‘revolutionary’ impact of smartphone cameras, whether Apple, Samsung, or other, this brings up some reasonable questions. Visual expression of trivial minutia, often guided by unleashed narcissism, skyrocketed without restraint, while the general quality of photography remained limited, as it always has throughout photography's history.
And when I say “quality,” I’m not referring to the technical, since I have seen excellent photos from a sub-megapixel cell phone camera. If your choice is a pinhole camera made from an oatmeal container, then all the more power. Odd how a good photographer is actually responsible for making great photos.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that anyone and everyone can carry a more than capable camera to record memories and share with friends, there is nothing that should be exclusive about this. However, this capability was firmly underway before the iPhone.
Had the iPhone, or touch screen phones in general, never arrived, the cameras in crappy cell phones would have improved, and usage would have also increased, even if perhaps with more expletives accompanying the process.
Effective distribution has been more a function of the internet itself, whether through Facebook or even ancient email.
Did Apple bring unprecedented simplicity through the platform and software, much like it did with the iPod, perhaps…the anti-Apple folks might disagree. Yet, unlike the iPod, which was initially designed to deliver music to the user, Apple failed to place any notable priority on its camera until a few iterations in, by which time other smartphone companies had already displayed more awareness of the camera's importance.
As for the ‘revolutionary’ impact of smartphone cameras, whether Apple, Samsung, or other, this brings up some reasonable questions. Visual expression of trivial minutia, often guided by unleashed narcissism, skyrocketed without restraint, while the general quality of photography remained limited, as it always has throughout photography's history.
And when I say “quality,” I’m not referring to the technical, since I have seen excellent photos from a sub-megapixel cell phone camera. If your choice is a pinhole camera made from an oatmeal container, then all the more power. Odd how a good photographer is actually responsible for making great photos.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that anyone and everyone can carry a more than capable camera to record memories and share with friends, there is nothing that should be exclusive about this. However, this capability was firmly underway before the iPhone.
But I remember the pictures from that iPhone, and they were very good, no matter the mediocre specs. Compare Apple and Nokia today. It is always a mistake to confuse specifications with a device's performance. Specifications are only part of the whole package. That's what Apple is all about -- the whole package and the user experience. I suspect that's why my local Apple store is always jammed with customers.
A COMPLETE HISTORY OF THE CAMERA PHONE
When the iPhone came out, it had a crippled 2MP camera with no video capability, no autofocus and no flash.
By the time the 3GS got a 3MP camera, Samsung was already doing 8MP.
On the contrary, many regular and touch phones of the time had something quite useful: extra dedicated/programmable buttons.
Almost always one of those was set to start the camera and/or be its shutter button... just like a real camera.
Of course, most of them also had thick bodies, so they really did feel like a camera
But that also gave room for nice optics.Not sure if you posted the link on history to underscore my point or to refute it. If the latter, my point clearly states that camera phones "existed long before the iPhone."
However, I hated all cell phones before the iPhone; but that's just me. And as for the iPhone and other smartphones, they're easier to use but are still more of a utilitarian appliance rather than an entertaining gadget, at least for me...I didn't pick one up until the 4S, which I currently use.
On the contrary, many regular and touch phones of the time had something quite useful: extra dedicated/programmable buttons.
Almost always one of those was set to start the camera and/or be its shutter button... just like a real camera.
Of course, most of them also had thick bodies, so they really did feel like a camera
Not sure how what I said is "contrary" when my point was that even without the iPhone and its like, cell phone cameras would continue to improve. If older phones could accommodate cameras, that's great, but it doesn't negate my point.
In any event, I use a Leica M2 and Tri-X, so I don't have much invested on the digital side.
Rich? Of course, the iPhone and lamborghinis go hand in hand.. NOT!!! Let's not kid ourselves that you need a 100k salary to afford one, anyone who has a job can get one.
Have a good day sir..
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Maybe now my friend, but in the beginning the iPhone camera. Was absolutely garbage.. the high end Nokia phones had amazing cameras.for the time. Quality optics made such a difference... Anyone who thinks different has completely rewritten history to suit their own agendas
Enjoy the rest.of your day sir.
Either one. Underscore to others if you were talking generally; refute if you thought Apple brought the first decent camera
I was addressing the part about how using a camera on older smartphones might require an expletive
With dedicated buttons for things like opening and using the camera, I think they were pretty easy. Heck, even dumb old flip phones had easy to use cameras, albeit usually more like VGA resolution (ugh!).
YMMV.
Cheers!
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I had a Sony Xperia Z3 and it had an extra button for the camera. It was great and made quick snaps a breeze. I wished my current iP6s+ had one. On top of that you could use the Sony to snap shots under water without a casing. The extra shutter button made it easy when a touchscreen wouldn't have worked properly.
On a side note: of course it had an exposed 3.5 mm headphone jack, too. WATERPROOFED.
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Thank you. I logged in to say exactly that. I think they should hang his picture next to that of Ansel Adams. Steve would have loved that for sure.
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I sometimes wonder if Steve picked Tim as his successor, knowing he was a bean counter by nature, just to ensure he wasn't eventually outshined. Steve also made sure he had several important patents in his name before he passed, while Tim has none to his credit that I know of. I think Steve truly wanted Apple to survive and move forward... but didn't necessarily want his successor to do better than he did. Remember... Steve did have just a bit of an ego when it came to Apple and his work there.
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My post was about desktop computers, not iPhones. Bringing graphics into the core design process of the desktop consumer computer (not iPhones), including the ability to display and manipulate images, was the major way Jobs contributed to photography. Obviously it wasn't just Jobs, but he did play an essential role. The original Mac sold for about $2500 in 1984, which was equivalent to ~$5600 dollars in 2015 (see Wiki), and hence my comment about rich people being able to afford it.
Have a nice day.
That's a fantastic idea! I wonder if they take suggestions from the public. It would be great if they listened and did just that.
Thanks for your kind words.
However, you could get a 20in imac in 2007 for 800 bucks plus vat, as I say not out of the reach of anyone really..
I am only speaking from my own experience. At the time, I had an HTC EVO 4G phone, and, on paper, the 8 megapixel camera should have been much better than the iPhone's at the time, and yet the pictures on my son's iPhone were invariably better, which mystified me at the time as I didn't understand Apple's whole user experience approach. The HTC photos from the spec-wise superior camera were very noisy in any kind of low light, and the videos were nearly un-viewable. The output of the specification-inferior iPhone was always better. Just reporting what my two eyes saw. It's not just the parts, it's how they are put together. I think Apple users tend to respond to their whole experience with their Apple products whereas Android users seem to be perennially focused on specifications which to them prove superiority of their products. Really it doesn't matter, people should use what they like and not worry about whether or not a product used by someone else is superior or inferior.
And here's the problem, you are comparing a handset from 2010.whenn it was widely accepted the the iPhone finally got its act together with the ip4. But, the gist of this thread is that the iPhone was and always has been an amazing camera, which is.bobbins, the first 3 were pants.
Have yourself a great day squire.
Iphone kind of sucked till about the 3G though. The first one had a subpar camera even compared to flip phones of the same era. Its software was more akin to feature phones than smart phones (Other smartphone vendors had cameras, and Apps already, and many others had more basic functionality like you know, copy and pasting)
What the first iPhone had, was style.
Trust me, Crica 2007. Apple the iPhone was still mostly a feature phone, and didn't start outselling Blackberry and other phone companies till 2010 when the 3G came out.
As someone else put it. It's a demagoguery reward. Its an appeal to peoples emotional attachment to Apple products in order to make some attention for a museum / hall of fame that is typically ignored by most of the world. There's very little rational reason behind giving Steve Jobs the award. It wasn't steve who invented Cameras in phones. it wasn't even likely Steve who built, designed, or worked on the tech in the iPhones camera.
One cannot discount that the iPhone was influential in helping get Cameras into everyones pockets, the same way they do deserve credit for help blowing up the smartphone industry, but to claim that Steve Jobs himself had some direct involvement in inventing the camera phone or designing Apple's camera is kind of silly
With all due respect to a civil and pleasant Brit, I think that actually, the gist of this thread is that Apple and the iPhone helped to establish digital photography as a mainstream and practical thing, given the game-changing nature of the iPhone. I think this is undeniable, and Jobs deserves the posthumous honor, whether or not, to which others have alluded, he was a pleasant person to deal with. I defer to your judgement as to the picture quality of the early iPhones, and it is my error to have made a false comparison, as my son's phone must have been an ip4.