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I completely agree with Steve Jobs.
ever since I heard these rumors about Apple TV (Television),I felt it's a bad idea.
they should never make a TV set.
there is no need for such product,there are already smart TVs available from traditional TV manufacturers.and there are smart boxes like Apple Tv and various others.

Television & Watch are the most useless and wrong ideas imo.I hope Apple never makes these stuff.
 
I hope Tim sees it this way as i've always felt Apple TV is the way to go, not the TV itself...
 
I need an Apple TV that will let me tap into surveillance cameras all over town, like this one (note the remote... from Continuum):
 

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re: Apple TV

If Apple could negotiate with TimeWarner and other top cable companies in order to take over the "user experience" portion of their content, I think that the ease of use and dynamic additions apple could add to the current set top box could be really convincing to a lot of customers.
 
He said he cracked the interface, that isn't the same as Apple building a TV set

You seem to have forgotten what the book said:

"I'd like to create an integrated television set that is completely easy to use,” he told me. “It would be seamlessly synced with all of your devices and with iCloud.” No longer would users have to fiddle with complex remotes for DVD players and cable channels. “It will have the simplest user interface you could imagine. I finally cracked it.”

The "I finally cracked it" comment is not only about the interface, but said in context of the entire TV set experience, hardware included.
 
It's not about the hardware for Apple...

I believe Apple has made more money off of what we put/use on our devices rather than on selling the devices themselves. Content...Content...Content. I sat next to a gentleman on a plane about 3-4 years ago and our conversation about my iPad lead him to admit that he worked for a German company that makes tech testing equipment. He mentioned that Apple had purchased a significant amount of gear that would be used to test Large television type tech. Of course, that could mean anything from tv's to large monitors, but then again today's tv's are just fancy monitors. At this point, there is no money in selling the tv/box, rather it is in getting people to commit to buying content from you. Apple should have moved the Mac mini into an Apple OS/Apple TV hybrid. I have used a Mac Mini as my media center for years and can't imagine why Apple hasn't pushed this idea further.
 
I don't understand why anyone thought Apple would produce an actual television set. Seems like wishful thinking. Unless they've been working on some revolutionary tech that can keep people locked into Apple displays, I've never seen this as viable.

In any case, this crosses off another possibility for the "several new markets" Tim said Apple would be entering this year. Unless Tim is stretching the truth, we might be in for some surprises.

* Car -- yes, this is the first new market they've entered this year, though in a half-assed way. I believe this first-gen product is like the Rokr, and Apple will eventually release their own product. Perhaps exclusive to Tesla to start.
* Watch -- I am still highly skeptical that Apple are releasing a watch. It just doesn't have the wide market appeal that Apple prefers.
* Home -- Could we see Apple producing home appliances or products like Nest? I would be happy to have an Apple toaster.
* Finance -- Could Apple introduce their own payment service like Square, tied to your Apple ID credit card?
 
Apple will never release a TV because it's a stupid idea. Getting their content ONTO the things that everyone uses is how they get to the masses. Apple is never going to make a car, but they are getting INTO cars with CarPlay.
 
I would love to have an Apple TV set. Thin aluminum unibody 46-55 inch 4k led display with a tiny bezel, no speakers, no smart features, just a display that turns on with my Apple TV set top box. Simple, clean, Apple.
 
I completely agree with Steve Jobs.
ever since I heard these rumors about Apple TV (Television),I felt it's a bad idea.
they should never make a TV set.
there is no need for such product,there are already smart TVs available from traditional TV manufacturers.and there are smart boxes like Apple Tv and various others.

Television & Watch are the most useless and wrong ideas imo.I hope Apple never makes these stuff.

Their "Smart TV's" are really dumb.
 
Honestly, I think their current strategy with the AppleTV box is the best one. They are relatively inexpensive to replace (only $99) and they release newer generations of the AppleTV at faster paces at which they would be able to with an actual television.

Let's be real guys, who actually replaces a fully functional TV every 1.5-2 years? If Apple did release an actual television, they would need to price it higher so that they could maintain the same margins they are accustomed to.

So, in short, I want Apple to concentrate on expanding the capabilities of the AppleTV while allowing the television to be the display.
 
I would love to have an Apple TV set. Thin aluminum unibody 46-55 inch 4k led display with a tiny bezel, no speakers, no smart features, just a display that turns on with my Apple TV set top box. Simple, clean, Apple.

As annoyed as I am of still not having a display that has an equivalent or higher res than my rMBP, a dumb display by apple should be a piece of cake.

Add a $20 aluminum bezel to $700 worth of parts and they're charging $1999 {$2199 in Canada lol}. Upgrade to $1000 in parts to make it 4D and it's $3499.
 
You know what. I like your comment. I wish there were more commenters like you in the Internet. Thank you, sir.

Thanks :) But it's only stating the blindingly obvious?

I’d say ours is adequate at best - the Netflix experience on an AppleTV is far better: faster, more logical layout, updated on occasion, alphanum based entry on an iOS device is an order-of-magnitude more effective vs. cursor based input.

The other thing is consistency. The Panny Plasma in the main TV and the Sony in our bedroom, both with ATVs, work the same way when it comes to Netflix (and of course, streaming from our local library, music, etc.)

When we went wall/mantle mount a couple of month ago, I didn’t even bother to reconnect the ethernet. :D

Anyway, the point being: a well executed, consistent, often upgraded TV experience is superior, and I have yet to see that in any “smart” TVs, though I suppose the current Samsung product with their modular “smarts”, if used throughout a house would provide much of the same.



Now _that_ is a good suggestion, in fact, chairs and longboard are already in the beach vehicle :D

Check this out :cool:

Hope you had a nice day at the beach, I think we are having our summer now haha! But we shouldn't complain as it's much better then constant rain and gale force winds, or tons of snow and minus 30!

Anyway, yes I agree that Netflix runs it's best on faster devices like my Playstation 4, but I use my TV app because I only have to change the DNS on the TV for UnblockUS to work. But the TV app is more than usable.
 
Why would Steve Jobs be honest about releasing a TV or releasing a smaller iPad? There would be absolutely no benefit; rather, competition would receive verification of Apple's future product lines.
 
I don't particularly want Apple to sell a physical TV. What I do want is an appliance that aggregates all my sources (U-verse, recordings, Netflix, and so on) and presents them to me with a common, well-organized UI. When I sit down on the couch, I generally either know exactly what I want to watch or at least what genre I'm interested in exploring. Crack that, and I'll be hooked.
 
Why is is so hard to understand that all Steve Jobs really was, was a great salesman.

He boosted up what he had to sell, saying it was the most amazing thing ever, and what he didn't have to sell, he said was rubbish and dismissed it as worthless

He did this for years, changing his mind, pushing other products.

That's all he was, and he was great at is, as people believed he was telling the truth when he was simply selling what his company had for sale.

Why is this so hard to understand.

Other companies do it all the time.

We are selling X, X is amazing, look at Y, ha, what a joke Y is.

two years later.

We are selling Y, but it's such a better Y, come get our new Y it's simply amazing.

And so it went on year after year.
 
I completely agree with Steve Jobs.
ever since I heard these rumors about Apple TV (Television),I felt it's a bad idea.
they should never make a TV set.
there is no need for such product,there are already smart TVs available from traditional TV manufacturers.and there are smart boxes like Apple Tv and various others.

Television & Watch are the most useless and wrong ideas imo.I hope Apple never makes these stuff.

Current smart tv's are a complete joke TBH, i would pay more money not to have one.
 
Steve's Parting Distraction

Steve Jobs wasn't a person to put his ideas out in the open before it was officially announced, UNLESS, it was to misdirect the competition as a calculated move. I picked up on this the first time i read his Book. It just didn't make sense to talk about a TV display out loud. There had to be a reason, and near death wasn't a good enough reason to reveal insider information on new technology such as a TV. Steve wouldn't buckle to that, he wasn't afraid to die; he knew it would happen. He just needed to strategically place apple into a good spot before it happened, to give the next inline some time to get their feet under them. It was a calculated chess move. Make the competition spend money, resources and endless hours to get engineers to THINK about what Steve could possibly do to the market, and then try and one up Apple before Apple could bring something to market, and it worked.

Smart TV's were coming down the lines 100x's faster than if Steve didn't plant that seed. Tim Cook got sometime as CEO to really set roots in his position all while the competition was off fighting a battle that never really existed.

Apple knows displays aren't a huge money maker, if they wanted a piece of that pie, they would have already made bigger moves in the Display monitor game. Apple doesn't update their displays fast enough on purpose because it's not where they want to make their major profits.

The profit is in 3 categories. Less than $100, $500-$1000 portables, $1000-$2000 MacBooks.

The $100 price range where customers will pay to consume any apple product with out thinking twice. Hence AppleTV in a small black box. It is consumable in the way of toss it out, get a new one when they release a newer model, it's cheap enough not to question the upgrade for the majority of people, and they can move to any style of display via HDMI. They're not stuck with a single display that isn't portable.

$500-$1000 where you have iOS Devices that people think twice but will fork out the money on their credit cards or what not and pay it off over time.

$1000-$2000 big purchases for MacBooks, Huge business for Apple for students, business, hobbyist alike. Bigger crowd = More profits.

A TV that apple would produce would be STARTING at $3,000 in my mind and that's just not a big market for profits in that industry. Look at the MacPro, amazing computer, I own the previous model, but I wouldn't go and replace it anytime soon. Many people keep them for 5 or plus years. But an AppleTV (Box) for $100 I would replace every year if they came out with one with out a doubt.

Put a processor, memory, and access to the App Store with a few gaming controllers, combined with an iOS device for a remote and you have an amazing setup that plugs into the Apple Eco System that people already are invested in.

The AppleTV Display was, in my opinion, a distraction to get the competition off the true nature of what Apple was working on, to buy them some time Tim Cook to build a new solid foundation amongst the shareholders and board, and to give Apple's engineers a bit of time away from the microscope to release something game changing in 2015.

Of course, this is all my opinion :D
 
I see some people are still hoping for a system where they can only subscribe to certain channels and not have to pay a lot for channels they never watch.

It's evident you either don't understand how cable, the networks and production companies work - or want to ignore it and think that it will be solved to get what it is you want.

I know I would never trust someone that says trust me - but I'll use the cliche anyway - it's not going to happen that way. And you don't want Apple controlling your TV experience anymore than you want the cable companies.

Paying a la carte for shows or channels will almost certainly cost you more in the long run than bundles.

Further - cable companies, if they continue to control the pipes, will ensure that they get their money either way. If they aren't getting it from cable subscriptions, it will be via metered bandwidth or higher cable prices overall.
 
The TV is a very old fashioned device which is about to become extinct soon. I see no reason why apple should put his hands into that crappy business. But the argument with the low turnover rate could also be used for computers, I really hope they'll keep them in their business model ;)
 
According to a passage from Yukari Kane's upcoming book Haunted Empire: Apple After Steve Jobs, in 2010, Steve Jobs told Apple executives that the company would not be releasing a television.

NO **** SHERLOCK!

Is this Mac Rumors attempting to backtrack on all the stupid endless vapourware rumours you've plastered endlessly on this site about an actual Apple Television set, and the name iTV?

Oh and.....

According to a passage from Yukari Kane's upcoming book Haunted Empire: Apple After Steve Jobs, in 2010, Steve Jobs told Apple executives that the company would not be releasing a television.

Is just yet another slap in the face example to all those on here that apparently believe Apple only does what's best for the worlds problems... rather than face the reality that it actually only ever does what is most profitable to them, pure and simple.


Your conclusion in the last paragraph seems to be a total non sequitur.
 
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