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Other than the 12 MP camera, the iPhone 5 also can do all that stuff.

Umm not it can't and I don't know where you get your information from because the iPhone does not have NFC (at least not in Japan it doesn't). And I'm pretty sure I read that the iPhone doesn't have it anywhere else either, so unless you're using something newer than an iPhone 5, then you don't have it either which means you cannot use your iPhone as a credit card or prepaid card such as in the situations I referred to above.
 
Apple is an Apex Predator.

They don't don't have to compete with any other company running the same software. This means they don't have to try and market half baked solutions like NFC (in the USA) as some desirable option. Now in Japan NFC is far more entrenched and you can actually get some use out of if but here it isn't building any momentum.

If NFC doesn't come to Apple Retail, Walmart, Target or some other large national brand here it's done.
 
I wish the Apple II days where back again. I would buy one just as a hobbyist machine if it was re-launched today. He would be a perfect person to relaunch it and I would buy one.
 
I wish the Apple II days where back again. I would buy one just as a hobbyist machine if it was re-launched today. He would be a perfect person to relaunch it and I would buy one.

I agree. People seem to forget why is word carries so much weight. He started it all.
 
2 words: attention whore

An attention whore? A guy who gets asked by a german publication of his honest opinion on the current state of the iPhone is an attention whore?

I thought attention whores are people who wear green spandex suits or put the lamp shade on their head to get attention?
 
I agree... I actually saw a guy with Lumia on the commute train this morning, the OS looks fresh and the phone design very modern... I was impressed.
I didn't feel like pulling out my iP5 because side by side I think the iP5 wouldn't look as sharp (IMO).
It's a lot more sad that you are worried about being seen using a particular phone, than whatever sad limitations the phone has.
 
Well, let's not get TOO crazy here. I said I agreed with some things he said, and you are, in a way, kind of putting words in his mouth. He said he still stands in line for Apple products because they still make great products. I think that's pretty much a recommendation from Woz.

My point is that a lot of things that Android lovers (usually the more geeky users, and I mean that in a respectful way) think people would love on phones would really never get used that much. I work in the tech industry so I know a lot of computer geeks--they tend to like the customization options and the hackability of Android phones. But the standard user doesn't care about side loading apps or running CM7--they just want a cheap/free phone that can do Facebook and texting.

And another thing that kind of makes me crazy is that people make statements like this as if Google is innovating in leaps and bounds with Android. They really aren't. Android is in refinement stages now just like iOS. And that's great--Jelly Bean is probably the closest they've gotten to the smoothness of iOS, so good for them. But it's not like they're blowing our minds with new features every 10 minutes. Android is becoming a mature platform. The problem is that only a small percentage of users ever use their most recent OS, and Samsung is the only company making any money on Android, and that's including Google.

None of this has much to do with Woz's comment I guess, but I wish people would get real about what people truly want to do with their phones. I don't care if it's an iPhone or an Android phone, all I ever see *most* users doing with them is Facebook, texting, or playing games. All smartphones do these things now and they pretty much all do them well. The nerds fight over all the stuff that most users never use. A lot of people have latched on to the bigger screens because that is actually a feature they can see and use right away with no effort, and to me, that totally makes sense. THAT is the common phone user. "What can this thing do for me the second I pick it up and start using it?" That's the mindset most people have. The vocal minority of smartphone users (people that argue on forums because this is the kind of stuff they actually care about) have the mindset of, "How many hidden features and tricks does thing do that I can unlock or turn on to make it the Death Star of all phones?"

My criticism of Woz is not that he speaks his mind. My criticism is that his opinions often don't represent reality, and I think he tries to latch on to Apple sometimes as if he still works for them. I would not want him running Apple just because he created the Apple II. I certainly wouldn't mind him in some kind of creative role their, but definitely would not trust his decision making on a lot of things. I never attack people that use phones other than the iPhone (though Android users seem to verbally assault me all the time), and I honestly don't care what phone other people use. It's an argument that just as useless as talking politics and expecting the other person to change their mind if you present your case strongly enough. Completely pointless. So I really don't care what Woz thinks about the iPhone vs. Android. And that's my point I guess:

Woz hasn't worked for Apple in decades. As Apple moved on with bigger and better things, Woz insisted on continuing to work on the Apple II. Woz has never worked for any of the major players in the modern tech game. Not that that's a requirement to know what you're talking about, but his opinion on this stuff is just not something I take seriously any longer. He's irrelevant.

The main problem I think Woz has IS that lack of tinkerability-customization only goes to a small portion, but it does encourage refinements to the OS that are driven by real world use (look at iOS and adapting jailbroken programs, for instance). Apple's not allowing people to jailbreak doesn't make any sense; they're selling very well and I'm jailbroken, but I can tell you, I've bought hundreds of dollars worth of apps.

The truth is with Apple designs, they're great. But NFC has real world use and that is a major complaint I have with the iPhone 5. If Apple adopted real standards, the technology would've taken off, but they don't have to do this. And I suspect that's a lot of the criticism. Anyone who thinks NFC is just for payments I don't think realizes its potential. What you have with the iPhone currently is a very easy to use limited computer in a small package. The more you lock it down, the less innovation you will get.

In terms of Android, it can innovate more simply because whatever phone developers want to put it, they do. Most ideas fail or don't become popular (niche). But the Galaxy phones pretty much have all of the needed features of iPhones, but with popular ideas of other phones too. And a few options of their own. Android's innovations are minor, but the customizability allows for a massive amount of real world beta testing of new features. Apple's walled garden model won't catch up at some point if this continues and if Apple's really that worried about piracy, then they're going to have to ask themselves which they prefer: High margins on everything or low margins on much less.
 
That's part of his being an attention whore.

Perhaps he enjoys the experience?

The thrill of getting his pre-order.
The fun of congregating in line with people in line awaiting their new toy, all with the same interests.
The joy of buying his new gadget.
Finally, seeing lots of other people getting their hands on the latest product from the company he helped create.


Or it could be attention whoring.
 
Perhaps he enjoys the experience?

The thrill of getting his pre-order.
The fun of congregating in line with people in line awaiting their new toy, all with the same interests.
The joy of buying his new gadget.
Finally, seeing lots of other people getting their hands on the latest product from the company he helped create.


Or it could be attention whoring.

The greatest trick Wozniak ever pulled was convincing the world he's not an attention whore.
 
Apple must see Woz like we see our kids, and constantly worry about the next potentially embarrassing thing he's going to say. Instead of teachers, the boss or the minister at church however, the press is always there to amplify the Woz effect by a power of 10. I wonder if Apple has ever tried to sue him to keep his mouth shut?
 
Source really :confused: it's a known fact. When Apple updates iOS it goes out to all iPhones instantly on all carriers. It's up to the user to press the Update button.

When Google updates Android it goes out to the manufactures. Most of the time the manufacture holds the update back and uses it drive hardware sales. So you end up waiting for months to get it if ever. Or you buy a new Droid with the update preinstalled.
As usual the misunderstanding continues: you don't have to wait for an Android update to get core apps updated. When Chrome is updated, you get it. Plus you get all the features--nothing is intentionally crippled (I am talking to you iOS maps and siri regarding the iPhone 4).

When Safari was updated in iOS 6 you only got it with iOS 6. Oh, and of course that left out the "ancient" iPad 1 (only 2.5 years old). At least on my macs I can update Safari without an entire OS X update.

The Android update situation as it is today is not as bad as many Apple fans would like to believe.




Michael
 
The greatest trick Wozniak ever pulled was convincing the world he's not an attention whore.

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Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.

He's the chief scientist at Fusion-IO. They make the SSDs that run Facebook, your bank's website, the iTunes App and Music stores - just about anything that's intensive these days.

In other words, he's doing a lot.

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As usual the misunderstanding continues: you don't have to wait for an Android update to get core apps updated. When Chrome is updated, you get it. Plus you get all the features--nothing is intentionally crippled (I am talking to you iOS maps and siri regarding the iPhone 4).

When Safari was updated in iOS 6 you only got it with iOS 6. Oh, and of course that left out the "ancient" iPad 1 (only 2.5 years old). At least on my macs I can update Safari without an entire OS X update.

The Android update situation as it is today is not as bad as many Apple fans would like to believe.




Michael
Right, that's why my AT&T HTC One X is still on ICS... When JB 4.1 came out 8 1/2 months ago.

If you think Android updates are working well, get out of here.

Android has more features, but show me any 2.5 year old android device that is still being updated... Let alone will run well.
 
Apple is an Apex Predator.

They don't don't have to compete with any other company running the same software. This means they don't have to try and market half baked solutions like NFC (in the USA) as some desirable option. Now in Japan NFC is far more entrenched and you can actually get some use out of if but here it isn't building any momentum.

If NFC doesn't come to Apple Retail, Walmart, Target or some other large national brand here it's done.

I think NFC came at the worst time possible: during a period of bad economy. Companies are not willing to cash out on the capital expenditure that it would require.
Also, call me paranoid, but I wouldn't really feel safe with that technology. Hackers are getting better and better.
 
I think NFC came at the worst time possible: during a period of bad economy. Companies are not willing to cash out on the capital expenditure that it would require.
Also, call me paranoid, but I wouldn't really feel safe with that technology. Hackers are getting better and better.
That's exactly why apple is working on using Bluetooth 4.0 for payment tech. Way way better than NFC - it's not as fast, 0.05 seconds vs 0.20 seconds, but still really good, and much more secure.
 
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