Resolved Stickiness of 'Yosemite is beautiful' and 'Yosemite looks terrible!'

[grahamperrin]

Yosemite is Beautiful; Yosemite looks terrible!

Both very popular – many thousands of views, and there may be some ballooning following the recent release of 10.10. Naturally contentious. The former has a greater rating; the latter has more posts. And so on.

A suggestion: make both topics sticky. Temporarily … a few weeks maybe? Too unorthodox?

Just a thought.

Rationale: primarily to minimise posts that are entirely off-topic. One-off pinning/sticking (at the topic level) may be more effective, ultimately more pleasing than than repeatedly flagging things (at the individual post level).

Moderators: thanks for your consideration.

 

[dilap]

Yosemite is Beautiful; Yosemite looks terrible!

Both very popular – many thousands of views, and there may be some ballooning following the recent release of 10.10. Naturally contentious. The former has a greater rating; the latter has more posts. And so on.

A suggestion: make both topics sticky. Temporarily … a few weeks maybe? Too unorthodox?

Just a thought.

Rationale: primarily to minimise posts that are entirely off-topic. One-off pinning/sticking (at the topic level) may be more effective, ultimately more pleasing than than repeatedly flagging things (at the individual post level).

Moderators: thanks for your consideration.

I agree, also they can hopefully spend more time policing the thread, because there is a lot of abuse.

Edit:

Just read your rationale bit. It's what I wrote anyway!

 

[grahamperrin]

Thanks, and a few thoughts

Thanks to dilap. Equal thanks to the two no-voters (I'll not push towards any particular outcome).

I like to show respect for opening posters, so I sent a private message to both individuals (with a blind carbon copy to a moderator). Their votes – and comments here, if they choose – will be valued.

Discreet (private) because if I promote this poll in both topics, it could be misconstrued as an attempt to stifle discussion. The opposite: there's a mass of genuinely interesting content in the diverse/overlapping points of view … minimising the number of "me too" posts should make it easier for readers, especially newcomers, to gain overviews and respond appropriately.

For the record: I see not too much abuse in recent weeks. But if there is the risk of abuse (I do expect a rush of popularity of Yosemite), it'll be nice to somehow nip it in the bud.

(Will sticking the two topics help readers to accept that there are extremely varied viewpoints; will sticking reduce the temptation to post carelessly? Dunno. A few words from experienced moderators could be good here.)

Alternative idea: a moderator-authored single-post sticky

A single brief post from a moderator could be pinned to draw attention to:

• the topics
• the value of (reading some of) then star-rating a topic
• the value of up-voting

– I'll not poll for that. Just another idea.

(Side note: I do always up-vote posts that are entirely reasonable, even if I don't entirely agree with the poster's points of view in that post. That's a habit learnt from the pleasures of Stack Exchange (Ask Different in particular).)

 

[dilap]

Thanks to dilap. Equal thanks to the two no-voters (I'll not push towards any particular outcome).

I like to show respect for opening posters, so I sent a private message to both individuals (with a blind carbon copy to a moderator). Their votes – and comments here, if they choose – will be valued.

Discreet (private) because if I promote this poll in both topics, it could be misconstrued as an attempt to stifle discussion. The opposite: there's a mass of genuinely interesting content in the diverse/overlapping points of view … minimising the number of "me too" posts should make it easier for readers, especially newcomers, to gain overviews and respond appropriately.

For the record: I see not too much abuse in recent weeks. But if there is the risk of abuse (I do expect a rush of popularity of Yosemite), it'll be nice to somehow nip it in the bud.

(Will sticking the two topics help readers to accept that there are extremely varied viewpoints; will sticking reduce the temptation to post carelessly? Dunno. A few words from experienced moderators could be good here.)

Alternative idea: a moderator-authored single-post sticky

A single brief post from a moderator could be pinned to draw attention to:

• the topics
• the value of (reading some of) then star-rating a topic
• the value of up-voting

– I'll not poll for that. Just another idea.

(Side note: I do always up-vote posts that are entirely reasonable, even if I don't entirely agree with the poster's points of view in that post. That's a habit learnt from the pleasures of Stack Exchange (Ask Different in particular).)

Let me know if they reply! About the disagreements, I think that they will me more to come. I don't think a merged thread would work, because that could mean even more disagreements, but I agree about "Alternative idea: a moderator-authored single-post sticky", it would mean more time for mods to be elsewhere.

 

[grahamperrin]

Not suitable for merger of the two – agreed

… I don't think a merged thread would work …

Agreed. Simply contemplating a merger makes me bleed slightly from one ear.

 

[dilap]

Agreed. Simply contemplating a merger makes me bleed slightly from one ear.

Try contacting the mods, or leaving a note on a mods page.

Edit:

Just contacted MacRumors

 

[grahamperrin]

Yep – the private message was bcc'd to a moderator. So that person should become aware of this poll.

 

[dilap]

Yep – the private message was bcc'd to a moderator. So that person should become aware of this poll.

Tell me if they reply! Btw are you awake at midnight or in another country? I just wonder if people go on the forum at midnight. I am in the UK, so its 9:30am here.

 

[grahamperrin]

(Awake, too often, at ridiculous hours. UK. (OT: tinnitus 24/7 … posting passes the time … enough said.))

 

[maflynn]

The thread in question have been stuck, I or one of the other moderators will unstick them once we see activity dying down.

 

[grahamperrin]

Sweet, simple. Many thanks!

 

[thedeejay]

Yosemite is Beautiful; Yosemite looks terrible!

Both very popular – many thousands of views, and there may be some ballooning following the recent release of 10.10. Naturally contentious. The former has a greater rating; the latter has more posts. And so on.

A suggestion: make both topics sticky. Temporarily … a few weeks maybe? Too unorthodox?

Just a thought.

Rationale: primarily to minimise posts that are entirely off-topic. One-off pinning/sticking (at the topic level) may be more effective, ultimately more pleasing than than repeatedly flagging things (at the individual post level).

Moderators: thanks for your consideration.

Thanks for your message grahamperrin. I think this is also helpful to posters as they'll be able to see and post how they feel in one thread instead of opening another thread that says "Yosemite sucks".

 

[ilandmac]

Yosemite is Beautiful; Yosemite looks terrible!

Both very popular – many thousands of views, and there may be some ballooning following the recent release of 10.10. Naturally contentious. The former has a greater rating; the latter has more posts. And so on.

A suggestion: make both topics sticky. Temporarily … a few weeks maybe? Too unorthodox?

Just a thought.

Rationale: primarily to minimise posts that are entirely off-topic. One-off pinning/sticking (at the topic level) may be more effective, ultimately more pleasing than than repeatedly flagging things (at the individual post level).

Moderators: thanks for your consideration.

Second that !

 

[grahamperrin]

With iOS-related https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-you-add-a-ios-9-topic.1878453/#post-21345487 in mind:

• I assume that appearance of an OS X 10.11 sub-forum will coincide with the first day of WWDC 2015

– and within that sub-forum there'll be opportunities galore to find beauty and terror within Apple's next offering.

With those things in mind, unpinning of the two Yosemite topics is probably timely; not premature.

Onwards, and upwards. Or will it be sideways, down and backwards? We'll know, in a few days' time (WWDC). Forking? Wishful thinking. Pinning was fun whilst it lasted. Thanks for all the fish.

 

[grahamperrin]

… unpinning of the two Yosemite topics is probably timely; not premature. …

I'm told, by a member of staff, that both topics have been pinned again.

 

[grahamperrin]

As one of the two topics has closed (outrun its course), so I suggest:

• closure of both
• unpinning of both.