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Stock Market reaction is unbeilable and Tim Cook can't do anything from his iPad

Zirel

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Seriously, why doesn't the board fire Tim Cook already?

He shows signs of weakness, when he called the Surface Book deluded/diluted, he pretends that the iPad is already a laptop replacement, which is clearly not, he doesn't have the iPad ready for the education market yet, and the Apple products pricing is random at the best.

I think it's time to fire this Gil Amelio for good.

He just doesn't communicate with the public, he's too nice, and doesn't convince investors.

Just look at the stock market! Apple's past quarter wasn't anemic in growth. Apple still lost HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in market cap. This quarter was anemic, but still positive, Apple is losing even more for sure.

Meanwhile, look at the likes of Microsoft, today they reported negative growth, and their stock keeps growing, 5% overnight.

If you were an employee, where you want to work? Tim Cook's or Satya Nadela's? Because their executives have lots of shares and they are losing money, that's why top employees are fleeing Apple recently.

Plus they have announced they are putting investors in the board (what the actual ****), they have been buying back their stock for God knows why and paying dividends that nobody gives a FFF.

Seriously, I think he needs to be doing anything besides the CEO.

He already fired Forstall, did bad enough in that time.
 
ApolloBoy said:
Yet you have four Apple products introduced under his watch. :p
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Introducing new products is easy.

And I don't think the problem is in Engineering or Design, like many do...
 
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I7guy said:
If you believe releasing/introducing products is easy, anyone should be able to do it.
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Introducing new products is easy. Introducing compelling new products is hard.
 
I don't agree. Cook has made the brand even more popular in a lot of ways. That famous "I don't care about the bloody ROI" rebuke may have unnerved some shareholders, but it did a lot to signal Apple's intention to follow what they believe to be ethical practices.

As for his ability to sell a product, you may have a point. He's not the showman that Steve Jobs was. But other executives like Craig Federighi have made names for themselves with charismatic stage presentations.

If your complaint is about Cook's inability to halt the deterioration in stock value, I would suggest you may be holding the man to an impossibly high standard. His company makes a lot of good products, and continues to be extraordinarily profitable. You're calling him a Gil Amelio because the growth slope of that revenue has flattened out a bit? Do you make the same complaints about the current CEOs of otherwise stable, profitable, and successful companies? GE? Boeing? Proctor and Gamble?

Apple had an unusually meteoric 15 years. Just because they've levelled off a bit doesn't imply that there's anything wrong with the company's governance.
 
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I don't agree with all of OP's criticisms, but I do think Cook is a supply-chain bean counter who lacks vision for "the rest of us." Under his leadership, Apple always will be competently run and it will never amaze or delight.
 
Lacking vision is probably the most critical element that influences the stock market.
 
thewap said:
Lacking vision is probably the most critical element that influences the stock market.
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If we substitute "growth" for "vision", I would agree. But the stock market is not the most important way to measure a company that makes or does things we like. For the foreseeable future, I will likely continue to buy Macintosh computers, and iOS devices because I like them over their competitors. Apple's share price has nothing to do with my decision.

The "stock market" is spooked because Apple doesn't appear to be growing as quickly as it had been. Product markets mature and the pace at which new units are sold slows down. I still see a ton of iPhone 4 units in the wild. All of this spooks markets into thinking that the company is doomed. To point to the examples I made above, you don't need an extreme spike in growth to have a wildly profitable and successful company that makes good products.
 
I think Jony "thinness before function" Ive should be fired before.
Just to prevent that this maniac stylist will replace Tim Cook.

Tim Cook was the one of two men who managed that apple is now as rich as it is. It was his counting of beans.
He is an intellectual.
Predators like Steve Jobs are rare. And as for the second man who raised apple that high: Steve Jobs is dead. And
don´t forget, that Steve Jobs himself once got fired for worse reasons the OP offered in his first posting: Producing things that nobody did want to buy (same with his successor). Ironically it was just MFST who prevented apple from going bankruptcy with 150 Million USD.

apple got the most valuable enterprise in the world because of ONE product: the overpriced iPhone.
The market is about to get saturated and now half a dozen enterprises produce similar products: top-Smartphones with everything you dream of..

The market is now a battlefield full of industrial crusaders and full of mines.

it is always like that when a near-monopolist loses his position.
It is not Tim Cooks fault.
Tim Cooks fault is that he does´t show Jonathan Ive his limits as did for shure Steve Jobs.
apple has been transformed from a visionary producer of electronic products to a specialist for ridiculous "thinness" and fashion-style- consumer-gimmicks. Thanks to Jonathan Ive...
 
The success of the Thinkpad-line shows that going back to the roots in caring for customers needs and wishes is more important than inventing "new narratives".

Although the article seems at first glance to be convincing, it is that simple:
Apple has not to search for a new "narrative", it has abandoned the old narrative: Caring for customer needs.
Instead apple has begun to use its propaganda-machine named "Marketing" to search for pseudo-needs.

Marketing-Propaganda works for a while, but customers are not fools. One day they realize that
1) The products don´t reflect (no more/not enough) their real needs
and/or
2) Competitors offer products that fit better with customers REAL needs
3) Competitors offer the same/better products for less money.

This problem gets worse when markets are saturating and competition attacks even at former monopolistic product-level.

It is NOT about "narrative", it is all about REALITY.

Under Jony Ive apple has turned into a fashion-company.
Glittery pseudo-innovation (on hardware AND Software.level (the latter for example with the ridiculous and absolutely inutile "NightShift-function" shows that they have no ideas about customer needs.

Since 2012/2013 they are changing from an still convincing Ecosystem towards a prison for customers in slavery (soldered and glued components preventing upgrading and versatility just to force their last long-term loyal and patient customers to pay more than is good for a stable relationship with them.

It is not about narrative, it is about NOT caring for their customers. It is about taking them for fools.

It is not about a new narrative, it is about going back to the roots and restart to be AUTHENTIC.

Note: Wallstreet NEVER cared and NEVER WILL CARE about product quality or customer relationship, wall street is all about GREED. NOTHING ELSE.
 
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MrAverigeUser said:
The success of the Thinkpad-line shows that going back to the roots in caring for customers needs and wishes is more important than inventing "new narratives".

Although the article seems at first glance to be convincing, it is that simple:
Apple has not to search for a new "narrative", it has abandoned the old narrative: Caring for customer needs.
Instead apple has begun to use its propaganda-machine named "Marketing" to search for pseudo-needs.

Marketing-Propaganda works for a while, but customers are not fools. One day they realize that
1) The products don´t reflect (no more/not enough) their real needs
and/or
2) Competitors offer products that fit better with customers REAL needs
3) Competitors offer the same/better products for less money.

This problem gets worse when markets are saturating and competition attacks even at former monopolistic product-level.

It is NOT about "narrative", it is all about REALITY.

Under Jony Ive apple has turned into a fashion-company.
Glittery pseudo-innovation (on hardware AND Software.level (the latter for example with the ridiculous and absolutely inutile "NightShift-function" shows that they have no ideas about customer needs.

Since 2012/2013 they are changing from an still convincing Ecosystem towards a prison for customers in slavery (soldered and glued components preventing upgrading and versatility just to force their last long-term loyal and patient customers to pay more than is good for a stable relationship with them.

It is not about narrative, it is about NOT caring for their customers. It is about taking them for fools.

It is not about a new narrative, it is about going back to the roots and restart to be AUTHENTIC.

Note: Wallstreet NEVER cared and NEVER WILL CARE about product quality or customer relationship, wall street is all about GREED. NOTHING ELSE.
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i only really agree with the bold statement, the rest especially the italicised bit is really your opinion nothing more. Nightshift function IS a real welcome addition (still better if people would avoid screen time before bed), and 3D touch was/is innovative.
 
MrAverigeUser said:
The success of the Thinkpad-line shows that going back to the roots in caring for customers needs and wishes is more important than inventing "new narratives".

Although the article seems at first glance to be convincing, it is that simple:
Apple has not to search for a new "narrative", it has abandoned the old narrative: Caring for customer needs.
Instead apple has begun to use its propaganda-machine named "Marketing" to search for pseudo-needs.

Marketing-Propaganda works for a while, but customers are not fools. One day they realize that
1) The products don´t reflect (no more/not enough) their real needs
and/or
2) Competitors offer products that fit better with customers REAL needs
3) Competitors offer the same/better products for less money.

This problem gets worse when markets are saturating and competition attacks even at former monopolistic product-level.

It is NOT about "narrative", it is all about REALITY.

Under Jony Ive apple has turned into a fashion-company.
Glittery pseudo-innovation (on hardware AND Software.level (the latter for example with the ridiculous and absolutely inutile "NightShift-function" shows that they have no ideas about customer needs.

Since 2012/2013 they are changing from an still convincing Ecosystem towards a prison for customers in slavery (soldered and glued components preventing upgrading and versatility just to force their last long-term loyal and patient customers to pay more than is good for a stable relationship with them.

It is not about narrative, it is about NOT caring for their customers. It is about taking them for fools.

It is not about a new narrative, it is about going back to the roots and restart to be AUTHENTIC.

Note: Wallstreet NEVER cared and NEVER WILL CARE about product quality or customer relationship, wall street is all about GREED. NOTHING ELSE.
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Look, if you want to talk about product quality, why don't you go to another topic in this section, or others, or create a different topic?

Your post is completely off-topic.
 
Zirel said:
Look, if you want to talk about product quality, why don't you go to another topic in this section, or others, or create a different topic?

Your post is completely off-topic.
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Product Quality, Competitors getting pole position and other things influence also the the stock market.
Often with retard, but they do.
And you talked about the stock market, didn´t you?

Well - ok, you wrote some hateful and incorrect lines about Tim Cook as well - but this tells more about you than about Tim Cook…
 
MrAverigeUser said:
Product Quality, Competitors getting pole position and other things influence also the the stock market.
Often with retard, but they do.
And you talked about the stock market, didn´t you?

Well - ok, you wrote some hateful and incorrect lines about Tim Cook as well - but this tells more about you than about Tim Cook…
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Well, good for them, competitors.
 
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