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You have to enable it, it doesn't automatically turn on... You could've enabled it at 100%.

It asks you if you want to enable at 20%. I said yes. I’m not trying to trick you or something (what would I gain?). I do disable things I don’t need, like background app refresh, and most push notifications, and I use auto brightness to keep my display on the dim side while indoors, but if I just had low power mode on 24/7 I would have said so.
 
It asks you if you want to enable at 20%. I said yes. I’m not trying to trick you or something (what would I gain?). I do disable things I don’t need, like background app refresh, and most push notifications, and I use auto brightness to keep my display on the dim side while indoors, but if I just had low power mode on 24/7 I would have said so.

My mistake, I thought I was in a X is better than 8+ thread of people arguing that the X last longer... but still, kill Facebook it rapes your battery. I don't even have it on my phone, I use the browser.
 
I close apps all the time, but only because I hate scrolling through a bunch of them when I go to switch. It is much like how I prefer to start and end the day with a clean desk, though having a messy one does not affect my desk's lifespan.
 
My mistake, I thought I was in a X is better than 8+ thread of people arguing that the X last longer... but still, kill Facebook it rapes your battery. I don't even have it on my phone, I use the browser.

I get where you’re coming from.
All I can say is I’ve done it both ways and I haven’t noticed a significant difference. But there are many factors at play when it comes to battery life.

The best battery tip I can give is to avoid places with weak cellular signals, or if possible/practical, turn off cellular when you’re in such places. Struggling to find a signal is the one thing that truly murders my battery!
 
In my experience, many apps don't give a crap that you have background app refresh off. They will keep doing stuff in the background for 40min or more.
 
Yes, we've all read the blog about how closing apps doesn't help with battery life [1][2][3]. This is not the only reason to close apps! so get off your high horse about it.

Reasons to close apps:
  • You want to keep only a few apps readily available for switching
  • You want to keep privacy so the screenshot of an app is not shown in the switcher
  • You have apps that behave badly and don't close out background network connections, etc...
  • You need to refresh data from the network but the app doesn't have "pull down to refresh"
  • You have an app that is badly written and has frozen up
With saving battery life, I have no doubt that technically reloading the data from flash takes more time and energy, but you'd be hard-pressed to demonstrate this in a real-world scenario, and certainly not enough to keep beating the drum about it. Battery life will be affected by many other factors before this one.

If you see people spreading the false information that closing apps saves battery life, go ahead and dispel the notion, but please stop jumping on people at the mere mention of closing apps with no other context.


[1] http://www.speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html
[2] https://daringfireball.net/2012/01/ios_multitasking
[3] https://daringfireball.net/2017/07/you_should_not_force_quit_apps

Look, all of those are legitimate reasons to close APP. I don't think that anyone is saying you shouldn't close APPs for any of those reasons.

Many people who have been around since the early days of windows however were conditioned to always close apps running in the background because old school OSes were very poor at managing memory... the user had to manage the memory actively or things would slow down and start caching to disk.

This behavior of obsessively closing Apps simply because you aren't actively using it is what people are trying to discourage. OBVIOUSLY in the case of misbehaving apps/private screenshots/network refreshes on ****** apps you do what you have to do. That goes without saying.
 
Look, all of those are legitimate reasons to close APP. I don't think that anyone is saying you shouldn't close APPs for any of those reasons.

Many people who have been around since the early days of windows however were conditioned to always close apps running in the background because old school OSes were very poor at managing memory... the user had to manage the memory actively or things would slow down and start caching to disk.

This behavior of obsessively closing Apps simply because you aren't actively using it is what people are trying to discourage. OBVIOUSLY in the case of misbehaving apps/private screenshots/network refreshes on ****** apps you do what you have to do. That goes without saying.
This guy gets it.
 
In my experience, many apps don't give a crap that you have background app refresh off. They will keep doing stuff in the background for 40min or more.
Backround app refresh is just one aspect of apps being able to do something in the background. General ability of apps to run in the background for a limited period of time is built-in into iOS and isn't controllable by users. Most apps can only do it for a bit of time after each use essentially, but some thst support something like VoIP, media playback, location tracking, and the like can do it for a longer period of time.
 
@Dented. Please read through this thread carefully and take the time to understand what you were Refuring in a previous discussion weeks back is completely contrary to what you were saying is highly inaccurate. I'm sure you find some useful information in this thread based your own logical fallacy.
 
@Dented. Please read through this thread carefully and take the time to understand what you were Refuring in a previous discussion weeks back is completely contrary to what you were saying is highly inaccurate. I'm sure you find some useful information in this thread based your own logical fallacy.
Lol, no.

Refer me to all the threads you like, there is no good reason to routinely close all apps. Doing so only decreases your battery life and wastes time.
 
I agree. Leaving all apps open and then trying to multitask between two results in crazy refreshes.

Not that I'm being helped much, Safari likes to refresh a lot more than I'd like it to regardless of how many apps are open at the time.
 
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I take things to the extreme...I close apps, I do the home button RAM clearing, I restart my phone, I delete all calls/messages/emails/website tabs, clear history/website data, move all photos off my phone, clear my calculator to 0, etc. etc. etc.

I keep my phone so clean and organized that people would think I was trying to hide a horrendous crime.
 
Yes, we've all read the blog about how closing apps doesn't help with battery life [1][2][3]. This is not the only reason to close apps! so get off your high horse about it.

Reasons to close apps:
  • You want to keep only a few apps readily available for switching
  • You want to keep privacy so the screenshot of an app is not shown in the switcher
  • You have apps that behave badly and don't close out background network connections, etc...
  • You need to refresh data from the network but the app doesn't have "pull down to refresh"
  • You have an app that is badly written and has frozen up
With saving battery life, I have no doubt that technically reloading the data from flash takes more time and energy, but you'd be hard-pressed to demonstrate this in a real-world scenario, and certainly not enough to keep beating the drum about it. Battery life will be affected by many other factors before this one.

If you see people spreading the false information that closing apps saves battery life, go ahead and dispel the notion, but please stop jumping on people at the mere mention of closing apps with no other context.


[1] http://www.speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html
[2] https://daringfireball.net/2012/01/ios_multitasking
[3] https://daringfireball.net/2017/07/you_should_not_force_quit_apps
None of these very compelling at all. Sure, they are reasons. Just...poor ones.
 
None of these very compelling at all. Sure, they are reasons. Just...poor ones.
You don't get to tell people what their reasons are. And at what level can you possibly say that someone's reason is compelling? Should someone only do something because it cures cancer? Anything less than that is not compelling and therefore not worth doing? These reasons are far more real to people because they actually address real needs and issues they might have on a daily basis.
 
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I take things to the extreme...I close apps, I do the home button RAM clearing, I restart my phone, I delete all calls/messages/emails/website tabs, clear history/website data, move all photos off my phone, clear my calculator to 0, etc. etc. etc.

I go one step further ... I don't even turn my phone on.
 
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Bump up memory to 4GB on all phones.
Don’t go crazy installing everything and yes, even “closed” I found Fb to be a resource hog.
 
You don't get to tell people what their reasons are. And at what level can you possibly say that someone's reason is compelling? Should someone only do something because it cures cancer? Anything less than that is not compelling and therefore not worth doing? These reasons are far more real to people because they actually address real needs and issues they might have on a daily basis.

Ironic considering that is exactly what your OP was.

If any of that were true, there would be no such thing as software development.

Yes, I do get to tell what you should or shouldn't do because there are objective reasons to do things one way or the other. If you want to invent new reasons that you assign a value - fine. But they have no bearing on the real world. No one needs to close apps for any of the reasons cited (except you).

If an app misbehaves or becomes unresponsive, close it. That is precisely the only reason why you are able to close apps at all.
 
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Why do people on this forum get so defensive about their preferences. No one's on a high horse. You spent X amount of money on a smartphone, do what you please with it and don't worry about what others do or say.
 
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Ironic considering that is exactly what your OP was.

If any of that were true, there would be no such thing as software development.

Yes, I do get to tell what you should or shouldn't do because there are objective reasons to do things one way or the other. If you want to invent new reasons that you assign a value - fine. But they have no bearing on the real world. No one needs to close apps for any of the reasons cited (except you).

If an app misbehaves or becomes unresponsive, close it. That is precisely the only reason why you are able to close apps at all.

What's the objective reason to leave the app running in the background?

iOS these days reloads almost everything every time I change an app or even just go 'Back' a page in Safari.

The "live" preview of the app is almost always not what it will be when I go into it, anyways. Pretty irritating when you get ready to use the app as it loads back in, only to have the "live" view of it suddenly change to a reload of the app or some other change.
 
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