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BeautifulWoman_1984

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Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide what devices I want to buy next. This is a really serious problem for me as all of my current devices are very old and are beginning to break down.

I'm considering buying all Apple products like: Apple Mac Mini, Apple iPhone and an Apple iPad. However, I'm worried about keeping my devices secure as I'd be extremely vulnerable to attacks if someone released malicious software/virus that targets Apple devices... :(:(:(

Am I more secure if I have a mixture of devices from different manufacturers like say: Android Phone/Windows PC/Apple iPad Tablet?

Thank you for any advice!
 

glenthompson

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I would say no because you would have to familiarize yourself with all the various systems, their threats, and how to mitigate them. Since we retired my wife and I have gone all in with Apple systems. Makes it much easier to having to keep up with all the Windows patches or worry about whether my phone manufacturer is updating the latest Android security fixes. In addition all the Apple stuff works better together.
 
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Chundles

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I'm worried about investing in all brick walls to protect my property because if someone came up with a way to breach brick walls I'd be in trouble. Should I buy one brick wall, two walls made of sticks, and one wall made of hay just to diversify?

I know it's a glib comparison but the Apple stuff is really very secure and safe and there are simple ways of ensuring they stay that way. The advantages of being in "the ecosystem" are myriad and any security concerns are easily mitigated.
 

Geepaw

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My opinion is that you are safer with MacOS than Windows. Also, iOS appears to be more locked down than Android so I would say it's at least as secure if not more so. If you keep your software up to date and be aware with how you use your devices then I think you will be fine. I have used Apples devices for many years and have never experienced a virus of any kind (knocking on wood).
 
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Apple_Robert

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Longkeg

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This is just my opinion, and I’m no expert on this subject, but I’d go all in on Apple. I’d rather deal with one company that has an excellent record of pushing out security updates in a timely manner. Since Apple makes both hardware and software, the integration is tighter. Android has to make their software run on multiple platforms from multiple manufacturers which can mean more exploits for malware writers to utilize. Same thing with Windows. I’m sure others will disagree. It seems this debate has been going on for years.
 

Geepaw

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BW,

This has recently been covered in your last 2 threads. Why create another thread on the same kind of subject?

Here is one of your threads asking the same question.

Maybe she thinks that putting all your eggs into the products by one manufacturer creates an additional security issue to think about rather than going with different platforms. For example, can a virus travel from one's computer (say a MBP) to one phone (say an iPhone) by connecting them? I have never heard of this issue but perhaps others have. Not sure if that is the same thing being asked in the thread you linked.
 

Apple_Robert

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This is just my opinion, and I’m no expert on this subject, but I’d go all in on Apple. I’d rather deal with one company that has an excellent record of pushing out security updates in a timely manner. Since Apple makes both hardware and software, the integration is tighter. Android has to make their software run on multiple platforms from multiple manufacturers which can mean more exploits for malware writers to utilize. Same thing with Windows. I’m sure others will disagree. It seems this debate has been going on for years.
I agree about sticking with Apple. In my opinion, they have the best privacy policy and security, not to mention the best integration between devices.
 
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phrehdd

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I would think you will find that the combo of Mac computer, iPhone and iPad to be to your advantage over a mixed system with Windows and/or Android. There is plenty of information on how to help keep your devices safe and secure. Nothing is 100 percent but you can certainly reduce risk to acceptable and manageable. The advantages of the combo you mentioned for somewhen who wants simple, can't be beat.

Btw, I run a mix system at home but that is for particular needs. If I did not have those needs I would do the above simply because it works and yes, pay the damn Apple tax. The M1 chip has renewed my interest in remaining in the Apple camp for Mac at home.
 

James_C

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My take on this would be each operating system is likely to be susceptible to different vulnerabilities. The more devices you have with different operating systems the greater the chance that one device is compromised. Once one device is compromised this may give the bad actor a vector into your other devices, particularly if they are on the same network.

I used to work for a cyber security firm, and a common method of attacking a network is by the weak link in the chain, often a poorly configured (from a security point of view) device, that then gives them a vector onto the network itself.
 

Wando64

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Only by having all Apple products you will be able to take full advantage of the ecosystem, and that is a huge factor in my choice of using Apple.
I think that by using a single manufacturer security on the whole is enhanced and much easier for you to keep track of possible problems coming up from time to time.
 

hallux

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worry about whether my phone manufacturer is updating the latest Android security fixes.
Pixel. Worry resolved. Samsung is also updating phones with more frequency. I should also note that with Android you get core app updates outside of OS updates. What does this mean? If Apple introduces a bug in the mail app during an OS update you need to wait for a new OS update to fix it, on Android you just get a fresh Gmail app update in the Play Store and it's fixed!
Also, iOS appears to be more locked down than Android
For what it's worth - I've been running Android phones since the Motorola Droid (with the slide out physical keyboard) and tablets since the Acer Iconia Tab and have NEVER had a breach. Why? Because I'm CAUTIOUS about what I do with my devices! This is something that you need to worry about with ALL devices, regardless of manufacturer/platform. Is there more opportunity with Android? Maybe, but if you pay attention to what you're doing you'll be fine.
 

Fishrrman

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If you want a tablet and phone that integrate easily with the Mac, perhaps it does make sense to go for an iPhone and iPad. They are probably "as secure as you're going to get" for a phone or tablet.

I'm not that concerned about such things.
I have no "smartphone" at all and probably never will own one.

I do have a tablet, but it's Android. I PREFERRED Android because I wanted something with an actual and easily-accessible file system (to which I could connect directly to the Mac and use as if it were a USB drive). But my use case for the tablet is special, and it's not connected to the internet.
 
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Thirio2

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I have never been an Apple fan, though you could not tell it from all the Apple products we own. My son-in-law knows a lot about computer security and he thinks Apple is more secure than Windows, hence most of our use is with Apple products (iPhone, mbp, iPad). I do keep a Windows 10 machine for use with software requiring Windows, but I do no web surfing or Email with it to keep it secure. Also, the Windows version of Microsoft excel has features I use that I don’t find in Numbers or the Mac version the last time I looked. I’m not ready to give up Windows just yet.
 

Phil77354

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Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide what devices I want to buy next. This is a really serious problem for me as all of my current devices are very old and are beginning to break down.

I'm considering buying all Apple products like: Apple Mac Mini, Apple iPhone and an Apple iPad. However, I'm worried about keeping my devices secure as I'd be extremely vulnerable to attacks if someone released malicious software/virus that targets Apple devices... :(:(:(

Am I more secure if I have a mixture of devices from different manufacturers like say: Android Phone/Windows PC/Apple iPad Tablet?

Thank you for any advice!
What are your current devices and how do you use them. Are Apple products more or less suitable to your particular needs? Do you have to replace everything at once?

As others have stated here, the general understanding is that Apple products tend to be more secure, however the point is also made that you have a role in keeping yourself secure and in the end that may be the most important consideration.

I tend to use Apple for almost all of my computing needs, and if I was personally replacing the listed products then I would probably go with the Apple choices, largely because they work so well together.
 
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BigMcGuire

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Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide what devices I want to buy next. This is a really serious problem for me as all of my current devices are very old and are beginning to break down.

I'm considering buying all Apple products like: Apple Mac Mini, Apple iPhone and an Apple iPad. However, I'm worried about keeping my devices secure as I'd be extremely vulnerable to attacks if someone released malicious software/virus that targets Apple devices... :(:(:(

Am I more secure if I have a mixture of devices from different manufacturers like say: Android Phone/Windows PC/Apple iPad Tablet?

Thank you for any advice!
A hammer is a hammer. What makes a hammer useful is the person behind the hammer. If I’m a terrible driver, it won’t matter if I’m driving a Tesla, BMW or a 1994 Toyota. Yes, the BMW and Tesla may be a little more safe to drive, but if I’m a horrible driver, it won’t really matter what I’m driving.

The best thing you can do is educate yourself on how to browse the web securely and know how to identify sites that can get you viruses.

I’ve spent 20+ years doing IT and I hold certifications to prove my abilities - despite this, I use Objective-See security software, AdGuard Pro, and know better than going to sites that spread viruses. And yes, I use Mac products for my personal devices - but I don’t have a problem using Windows devices.

IMO, you’ll be far more secure if you educate yourself on how to use devices vs buying one device over another. But yes, I’d recommend Apple Products as they are generally more secure. But like the car analogy - it matters a lot more who is behind the wheel.
 
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BeautifulWoman_1984

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I would say no because you would have to familiarize yourself with all the various systems, their threats, and how to mitigate them. Since we retired my wife and I have gone all in with Apple systems. Makes it much easier to having to keep up with all the Windows patches or worry about whether my phone manufacturer is updating the latest Android security fixes. In addition all the Apple stuff works better together.
Thank you GlenThompson!

I've just never been in the situation where all of my devices were made by Apple: I've always had a "mixed environment"

It'd be great to hear feedback on the benefits of buying all Apple devices.
BW,

This has recently been covered in your last 2 threads. Why create another thread on the same kind of subject?

Here is one of your threads asking the same question.

Apple_Robert, I created this new thread because my other thread is asking about the "user privacy" and "security" of companies other than Apple. There are soooo many choices now for what phone/tablet/PC to buy because there are soooo many manufacturers now: Dell, Samsung, Nokia, Motorola, Huawei etc so I felt it was a good idea to make a new thread.
 

Euroamerican

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Upon a little bit of reflection, my opinion is that the OP should go with "All Apple" for her primary setup. Basically, she would have what I have, minus some Windows boxes I use at work and as test devices.

The synergy of my clouded (icloud mostly, with some dropbox and OneDrive) information/workflow being spread/shared/unified across OSX "PCs" and iOS handheld and mobile/cellular devices is very compelling.

Of course, security is still something to be diligent on.
 
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Brian1230

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I have switched to all Apple and couldn't be HAPPIER, Apple products just work and macOS, iPadOS, and iOS are far more secure than anything else.
 

iluvmacs99

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Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide what devices I want to buy next. This is a really serious problem for me as all of my current devices are very old and are beginning to break down.

I'm considering buying all Apple products like: Apple Mac Mini, Apple iPhone and an Apple iPad. However, I'm worried about keeping my devices secure as I'd be extremely vulnerable to attacks if someone released malicious software/virus that targets Apple devices... :(:(:(

Am I more secure if I have a mixture of devices from different manufacturers like say: Android Phone/Windows PC/Apple iPad Tablet?

Thank you for any advice!
All devices and brands today offer adequate security for the majority of users as long as the user keeps the devices with up-to-date security patches. Apple devices work in synergy and with Apple's more authoritarian approach with the app store and privacy issues mainly geared to protect their users in expense of disdain from some developers, namely Google who spy on people with their apps, help reduce the experience of malware and virus infection. No devices offer 100% protection and it depends on what you are doing also. If someone tries to mess with the NSA, even owning all Apple devices will result in you being hacked by the NSA regardless of how well security you had placed in. Of course, that's the extreme end, but I had met people who work to expose corrupt governments, criminal activities and even they, with advance security and devices set up by IT security firms personally got hacked with threats of harm and death. Again, that's the extreme end.

However, what you had just said may probably be an explanation of your issues. You have current devices that are very old and beginning to break down. To me, this suggest that your devices may no longer receive current security updates and that would lead to security issues.

Apple security approach is pretty reasonable for each machine. Roughly 5 years of support for iPhone and iPad and roughly 3 years for each version of Mac OSX for security updates. Windows PC and Android have similar lifespan.
So if you want to continue having security updates, you need to continue updating your devices every 5 years or so to maintain good security. In terms of better security, iPhone is better than Android, but Android is more open whereas the iPhone is more of a closed system.

Last but not least is how do you interact with the internet? If you go to websites that are likely to infect you with malware, then no amount of security will catch all of that malware and viruses, because what the hackers rely on is human error. Current systems are very good and secure if the human who operates it understands that certain places on the internet are not safe. Education and then having updated security on devices will reduce infection and hacking to a minimal. You will never get 100% security, but as long as you are educated and practice safe browsing, your chances being hacked are pretty low.

I personally own all kinds of devices protected by a security router that monitors my devices and web sites for malware and infections and rarely get any warning hits. But when I have friends over and they use my WIFI, my security router goes bonkers reporting malware and malicious sites access. Of course telling them make no difference. They were after those freebies; and nothing on the internet is a free lunch and they are addicted to those social media sites which can then infect their phones. Phones actually are now more susceptible to malware and infection than a computer is because of the social media content they access and download and a possibility of SIM SWAP.
 
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yeldarbnoj

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I am a bit late to this post, but I recently took the plunge and changed EVERYTHING over to Apple. Why? For me it was about transparency and continuity of information. I got sick and tied of having to sync various aspects of my databases between a Windows based ASUS Laptop, a Samsung Phone and a Samsung Tablet. The entire operating 'system" (if one could call it that) is totally fractured. It is frustrating to say the least. I only have one Windows based software package that needs to run on my MacBook Pro and I use Parallels to create a Windows environment to run it. Other than that, I am totally immersed in the Apple iOS and environment.

Since changing over I would now NEVER go back to the previous crap fight of Windows and Android. As for security, seeing the Hardware and Software are made and managed via Apple, I feel that the overall iOS seems more secure (I rarely if ever get junk email, Safari seems to block tracking sites/cookies etc). So it "feels" like a more complete and secure operating system in every aspect.

Frankly I don't know how (and why) I ever persevered with anything less than a cohesive system prior to now.
 
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Dozer_Zaibatsu

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Apple nicely makes sure your devices can sync with one another. And it's very easy to back up and transfer from an old Mac to a new Mac. So if you're comfortable with Apple and do not want to bother with the intricacies of the IT/Security world, I would say you can generally just trust Apple.

I've noticed that, through the years, Apple has been fairly good to their customer base to always provide an upgrade path for people who just want to use Apple. Yes, they put up with years when they were expensive for what they were, when some products were just disappointing. But I recall in an Apple store in downtown Chicago talking to a writer who first bought a beige Mac Plus years earlier, and he upgraded every few years, and he was buying the latest iMac. Simple, really.

My hesitation on going all-in on Apple, not only because I am a hardware geezer who needs to mix and match other PCs here and there, is also that they annoyingly want to corral you with their services. Yes, you can use Apple Music, yes, you can use iCloud, but I think those are both expensive, incomplete services, and I choose others. If you have the money and they work for you, there you go: easy.
 
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