Okay, if you are mac fans, why would you be wishing for a competitor for the ipod? I presume that you want a boxing match eh? 
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iPod Strategies to defeat Zune!
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You really think so? Hmm. To each their own I guess. I'm not a fanboy, but I think the Zune is fugly...vv-tim said:
I don't think apple should be worried at all.
Its a rehashed not so great existing product from Toshiba, looks uguly and doesn't have a apple wheel control thingy.
The wifi thing looks a com-lete waste of time especially as you can only play transferred songs 3 times or something.
It seems like MS are doing this half baked and I was expecting it to be better. OK its not released, I am no MS hater but have a soft spot for apple but to me this thing is dead in teh water. It will sell a bit and get them in the market, that's all
Its a rehashed not so great existing product from Toshiba, looks uguly and doesn't have a apple wheel control thingy.
The wifi thing looks a com-lete waste of time especially as you can only play transferred songs 3 times or something.
It seems like MS are doing this half baked and I was expecting it to be better. OK its not released, I am no MS hater but have a soft spot for apple but to me this thing is dead in teh water. It will sell a bit and get them in the market, that's all
princealfie said:Any tips on making sure that the MS mp3 player will crash and burn?
Convince Microsoft to release it in ugly colors, like brown.
Oh, wait...
vv-tim said:
Hmm, you mean like how Windows won fair and square in the OS market for being a far superior product?
princealfie said:Any tips on making sure that the MS mp3 player will crash and burn?
Circulate a lot of pictures of the Baby ***** brown Zune!
princealfie said:Okay, if you are mac fans, why would you be wishing for a competitor for the ipod? I presume that you want a boxing match eh?
OK, you asked for it.
I wouldn't underestimate Microsoft to get this right especially with their cash, persistence and track-record. But also with their 'embrace and extend' tactics which we've seen time and time again... build some kind of essential functionality into Windows/Vista, shrug off all the toothless anti-competition scrutiny and a few years down the line, it's all done and dusted.
archurban said:
If true that is tragically low, the iPod manages 14 hours (and it's smaller), i wonder how many minutes the battery lasts with Wi-Fi on?
Buy an iPod.princealfie said:Any tips on making sure that the MS mp3 player will crash and burn?
Get your family and friends to buy iPods.
Get your co-workers to buy iPods.
Point being, is that the market will dictate. Some will purchase Zunes. Can't stop that. However, the more that purchase iPods the better.
vv-tim said:
Yes, but Microsoft could win simply by selling at a lower price. MS has the cash to buy this market if they wanted it. Let's say they sold these 30GB Zune players at $99 each. At $99 Zune would do two things (1) kill iPod sales and (2) loose a ton of money. Look at the XBox. They are willing to loose about $100 on every box they sell because gainning market share means more to MS then making money -- Money they have alreadty but market share they need. Same applies in the MP3 world. They can afford to buy market share.
Just what I was thinking! It's a pretty disappointing device though, I was hoping for wireless download of files from an online store or internet radio streaming. Instead they offer to share a few tracks with someone else who has one (but you have to find someone who does). Lame.dsnort said:Circulate a lot of pictures of the Baby ***** brown Zune!
Unless MS hasn't announced all of the WiFi features yet. Perhaps they don't want Cupertino to fire up their copy machines just yet.iflipper said:
But isn't the catch of selling the XBox consoles at a loss the fact that they end up making money in the end on the games that they sell?ChrisA said:
I mean, what's the point of market share if it's not profit related somehow?
aristobrat said:But isn't the catch of selling the XBox consoles at a loss the fact that they end up making money in the end on the games that they sell?
I mean, what's the point of market share if it's not profit related somehow?
Long-term.
Microsoft could bleed money out every orifice if they wanted to, for so long that nobody else would have the strength to compete. Then, when everyone else is gone, they own the the market and can start hiking prices back up. Way up.
Do you remember the early days of internet commerce? Amazon.com and all the other early e-stores had ridiculous low prices, free shipping, buy one get one free deals, ... They blew away all that money to buy their way into a loyal customer base. One by one the little guys ran out of money, and now here's Amazon, a store that everyone loves, and now they can get away with charging realistic prices to be profitable.
I still remember the days of $8.88 new release DVDs with free UPS shipping from a company called 800.com, and when they accidentally sent me TWO, they let me keep both.
Microsoft has the money to create a really good iPod competitor.
The Zune is not a really good iPod competior. It won't be very successful. Microsoft will make a new Zune that may or may not be good. But this first Zune is gonna suck.
The Zune is not a really good iPod competior. It won't be very successful. Microsoft will make a new Zune that may or may not be good. But this first Zune is gonna suck.
Engadget has an article where a Zune team member says "Zune won't be undercut on price by iPod,"
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/20/zune-to-be-priced-at-249-or-less/
If the Zune comes out at the same price (or lower) than the iPod, wonder if Apple will change their price?
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/20/zune-to-be-priced-at-249-or-less/
If the Zune comes out at the same price (or lower) than the iPod, wonder if Apple will change their price?
As much as it pains me to see it, I think the more success the Zune has, the better for the consumer. Competition will drive technology up and costs down. I think without some sort of shove, Apple would have taken their sweet time to release a widescreen ipod and would have milked the 5g design for as long as possible.