Apps Streaming NAS content on ATV4

[loekf]

Infuse is great for all kinds of movies, VLC will even play Blue Ray iso, MrMc is sitting on the drive but not used so much by me.
However until now the ATV4 has limited audio capabilities. It transforms everything to 48Khz samples. And the samplerate is not synced with your other equipment. But maybe in a movie using dolby or other containers that may not be a problem.

Uh ?

Both Infuse and MrMMC have HDMI passthrough support. However, you are limited to 5.1 DTS or AC3/DD(+).

You could be right if you opt for PCM out, everything is converted to 48 KHz.

I don't like PLEX, don't see the need for shiny GUIs with lots of album or poster art, and meta data. Just a scrollable list of files in a folder is enough for me, that's why I like MrMMC.

The A8 chipset in the ATV4 is powerfull enough for 1080p 20-25 Mbps x264 decode.

tvOS 11 is supposed to have support for hardware acceleration (in the ATV4 it's there, but not exposed), so x264 decode should support higher bitrates if the SW uses hardware decoding. For the ATV5, I guess x265 1080p and 4K is possible.

MrMMC can do 720p x265 in SW btw.
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I take offense that you are calling me a blatant liar...do a basic Google search for "bandwidth required to stream 4K video" and check the results that come back. Name calling has no place here.

Can we please treat each other with respect here ?

Yes you are right 10 Mbps is ok for 1080p content. Netflix even uses 6 Mbps. It's all about the encoding. Within the x264 standard you can use a range of "tools" (algoritms) to encode your video. Agressive encoding pushes it down to 4-6 Mbps. Typically Bluray disks have much higher bitrates. Is higher better ? Not always.

I wouldn't be surprised if the new AppleTV to be launched tonight still has a 100 Mbps ethernet connection. Still ok for 4K.

 

[IGI2]

I take offense that you are calling me a blatant liar...do a basic Google search for "bandwidth required to stream 4K video" and check the results that come back. Name calling has no place here.

Lappen71 pasted you a file info which clearly shows that 10 Mbps is not enough. I pasted you another media info image.

There is no need to google for anything. You just need to realize that resolution itself is not enough

Have a good day sir!

 

[fhall1]

Pasting those files shows that as loekf said - it's all about the encoding....so we are all right depending on the file. But I was not spouting "blatant LIES" - that's what I took offense to.

 

[IGI2]

Pasting those files shows that as loekf said - it's all about the encoding....so we are all right depending on the file. But I was not spouting "blatant LIES" - that's what I took offense to.

I beg to differ.

I mean it is the matter of codec but not for this century.

Maybe with Intels 19 gen processors, and Apple's A21X processor, future will bring H269 which will hold same quality as blu ray under your 10 Mbps threshold, but for the decade to come, I stand by my words (blatant lie).

 

[fhall1]

I beg to differ.

I mean it is the matter of codec but not for this century.

Maybe with Intels 19 gen processors, and Apple's A21X processor, future will bring H269 which will hold same quality as blu ray under your 10 Mbps threshold, but for the decade to come, I stand by my words (blatant lie).

Here's an example maybe you can understand.

If I had said "Hitler was a great humanitarian" - that's a blatant lie. If you don't understand the difference between a blatant lie and a correct answer (depending on file type and codec used) - you must be great fun to talk to at parties.

 

[IGI2]

Here's an example maybe you can understand.

If I had said "Hitler was a great humanitarian" - that's a blatant lie. If you don't understand the difference between a blatant lie and a correct answer (depending on codec used) - you must be great fun to talk to at parties.

Can't you see that the current state of codecs is that blu ray quality is achievable at around 30-40 Mbps which is far from 10 Mbps max?
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Here's an example maybe you can understand.

If I had said "Hitler was a great humanitarian" - that's a blatant lie. If you don't understand the difference between a blatant lie and a correct answer (depending on file type and codec used) - you must be great fun to talk to at parties.

You've seen the new 4K HDR Apple TV.

So with that in mind, latest 4K bluray discs:

And the specs of this file:

SPECS


Source : 4K UHD BluRay
Format : Matroska
File size : 57.5 GiB
Duration : 2 h 3 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 66.8 Mb/s

Video
Format : HEVC
Format profile : Main 10@L5@Main
Bit rate : 60.6 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Bit depth : 10 bits
Stream size : 52.1 GiB (91%)
Color primaries : BT.709

Audio #1
Format : Atmos / TrueHD
Bit rate : 4 834 kb/ / 7 893 kb/s
Channel(s) : 8 channels
Stream size : 4.16 GiB (7%)
Language : English

Audio #2
Format : AC-3
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 564 MiB (1%)
Language : French

So you see that even with H265/HEVC(!) it's still 60 Mbps. So we're far from 10 Mbps max.

 

[fhall1]

Yes - we are in violent agreement...I totally agree, if you're trying to stream a 20+GB BR file you need more than 10Mbps....but for the majority of MKV files using h264 compression people will stream (TV shows and whatnot) you can get away with less. Neither of us are blatantly lying - we're talking about two different scenarios.

When all is said and done - the point is, the wired 100Mbps port on the ATV4 is up to the task (or certainly should be) for even the large BR 1080p files.

 

[IGI2]

Yes - we are in violent agreement...I totally agree, if you're trying to stream a 20+GB BR file you need more than 10Mbps....but for the majority of MKV files using h264 compression people will stream (TV shows and whatnot) you can get away with less. Neither of us are blatantly lying - we're talking about two different scenarios.

When all is said and done - the point is, the wired 100Mbps port on the ATV4 is up to the task (or certainly should be) for even the large BR 1080p files.

Yes, I was talking about streaming rips from NAS where 10 Mbps might not be enough and considering distances at home and summary network usages, there should be some healthy overhead.

While for streaming Netflix it's okay as it is

 

[fhall1]

....and according to the specs the ATV 4K has a 1Gbps ethernet port - so get the wallets ready!

 

[AidenL]

I’m recommending Infuse also.