Student Reinstated After Principal Flap


Sun Baked

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See, now that was a public service announcement. ;)

Now taking pictures of his mistress and him smoking in a motel room, would be pushing it. :p
 

rainman::|:|

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Student free speech is really being attacked lately... The number of kids that have been expelled/almost expelled (but weren't thanks to the ACLU) for making unpopular statements, sometimes outside of school, is on the rise. As Tinker v. Des Moines said so many years ago, kids don't shed the 1st amendment at the schoolyard gates, and now we know administrators don't gain the right to not be photographed while breaking the law...
 

PlaceofDis

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not only should that principle know better, he/she should have some sort of reprimand for taking things too far and a bit to personally

the kid didnt do anything wrong, and shouldnt have been punished, the principle should have for smoking where he/she was
 

latergator116

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The school my brother and I go to tried to suspend him for making a website where students could make comments about their teachers. The prinicpal threatened to expell him when he wouldn't take the site down, so he threatened to call the newspaper. No problems after that. ;)
 

PlaceofDis

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latergator116 said:
The school my brother and I go to tried to suspend him for making a website where students could make comments about their teachers. The prinicpal threatened to expell him when he wouldn't take the site down, so he threatened to call the newspaper. No problems after that. ;)
the authority figures at a lot of schools like to go on power trips these days it seems, students have rights too, but the administration doesnt like to realize that sometimes, im happy that your brother didnt get into trouble though

now when you are talking about Private schools, yes the students do surrender some rights, which im not sure is such a good thing all the time, although at least at my Private HS Free Speech was very liberal and encouraged, maybe because we didnt need to be so P.C.
 

wdlove

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I like the picture of the principal smiling at the camera. It's surprising that the principal wouldn't have be aware of the law. I do think that the student should have taken the pictures to someone in authority, instead of posting the on the Internet. Just wonder what was done to the principal.
 

Lacero

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I support online critiques, especially of products and people who service the public sector. They are required to work at their optimum.
 

latergator116

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PlaceofDis said:
the authority figures at a lot of schools like to go on power trips these days it seems, students have rights too, but the administration doesnt like to realize that sometimes, im happy that your brother didnt get into trouble though

now when you are talking about Private schools, yes the students do surrender some rights, which im not sure is such a good thing all the time, although at least at my Private HS Free Speech was very liberal and encouraged, maybe because we didnt need to be so P.C.
It's also amazing how much some of the teachers disregard the students' rights. One teacher told me that "kids don't have any rights" becuase I wouldn't stand up for the pledge alegiance.
 

stcanard

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wdlove said:
I like the picture of the principal smiling at the camera. It's surprising that the principal wouldn't have be aware of the law.
I would bet the principal was very aware of the law.

Hence the need to get rid of the photos...
 

Abstract

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wdlove said:
I like the picture of the principal smiling at the camera. It's surprising that the principal wouldn't have be aware of the law. I do think that the student should have taken the pictures to someone in authority, instead of posting the on the Internet. Just wonder what was done to the principal.
Maybe his motive wasn't to get the Principal in trouble. Maybe it was just a case of, "Hey guys, guess what I saw my Principal doing!!"
 

PlaceofDis

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latergator116 said:
It's also amazing how much some of the teachers disregard the students' rights. One teacher told me that "kids don't have any rights" becuase I wouldn't stand up for the pledge alegiance.
as someone who was going to go into the teaching field, and still am, just at a higher level, i cannot believe the audactiy of teachers these days. You have rights, especially when you are in a public institutuion. They can make certain requirements of you, but the Pledge of Alegiance technically is a persons choice to say it or not

if teachers aren't being good role models, and since parents are basically using school for daycare and raising their children, is it no surprise that some students turn out the way that they do


and Abstract i totally agree, the kid could have been using the picture for purposes that weren't directly hostile to the principle, but i am sure that the principle overreacted and wanted to cover his/her bases to not get in trouble for breaking a law that they knew about
 

latergator116

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Abstract said:
Maybe his motive wasn't to get the Principal in trouble. Maybe it was just a case of, "Hey guys, guess what I saw my Principal doing!!"
It might have been that too, but apparatently the principal isn't very well liked at that school. According to the kid's web page, she is prejudice towards hispanics.
 

ham_man

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I think that the way the kid went about this was not the best line of action to take. I think that he should have kept this a private matter instead of posting it on the internet for all the world to see. While I know what the principal did was wrong, I think that the kid could have used the pictures in a bit more conservative manner.
 

PlaceofDis

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Ham_man said:
I think that the way the kid went about this was not the best line of action to take. I think that he should have kept this a private matter instead of posting it on the internet for all the world to see. While I know what the principal did was wrong, I think that the kid could have used the pictures in a bit more conservative manner.
while you are right, he probably should have exercised some more caution with what he did, isnt it his choice, and his right to be able to post what he wants on his website so long as it is not illegal? if its his computer, and he pays for the site, then he is free to do what he wants
 

stcanard

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Ham_man said:
I think that the way the kid went about this was not the best line of action to take. I think that he should have kept this a private matter instead of posting it on the internet for all the world to see. While I know what the principal did was wrong, I think that the kid could have used the pictures in a bit more conservative manner.
We're talking about a kid here. Subtle is not in their vocabulary.

Plus, who does he send it to? The teacher/principal is supposed to be the authority. A blog post, showing an embarassing picture of a principal that I gather is generally disliked is exactly what I would expect out of a high-school student. Sounds like it made the point too.
 

latergator116

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If the principal haden't wrongfully suspended him, the story probably wouldn't have been on Yahoo news. The principal is the one who decided to suspend him when she had no right to, thus gaining even more unwanted attention.
 

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I saw this story on the news. It reminded me how I often see nurses smoking at the entrance area of a hospital, just outside the building. And I see teachers smoking during their breaks in areas where students sometimes see them. They go just far enough off campus so they are not technically on school property, then puff away. I wish they'd make a little more effort to stay out of students' sight.
 

Hemingray

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latergator116 said:
It's also amazing how much some of the teachers disregard the students' rights. One teacher told me that "kids don't have any rights" becuase I wouldn't stand up for the pledge alegiance.
While I agree that the teacher was wrong to say that, you DO have rights, I think it's pretty sad that you chose to use your rights to not stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance of all things. :confused:
 

latergator116

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Hemingray said:
While I agree that the teacher was wrong to say that, you DO have rights, I think it's pretty sad that you chose to use your rights to not stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance of all things. :confused:
Why? I don't beleivde in god so I shouldn't have to recite the something I don't beleive in.
 

Hemingray

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latergator116 said:
Why? I don't beleivde in god so I shouldn't have to recite the something I don't beleive in.
But not believing in God invalidates the whole pledge to your country? Why not just omit "Under God"? Don't get me wrong, it's definitely your right to choose whether or not to stand and/or recite the pledge, I was just curious why.