Study to test Ecstasy on terminal cancer patients

[hvfsl]

iow, you're saying it's the act of believing and taking control of one's health, and not divine intervention, which has cured these people?

I am saying it is the act of believing in Jesus and asking him for healling. But that does not mean you shouldn't go to the doctor to get it sorted out as well. One of my aunts who was a christian and had cancer, went through all the radiation thearpy etc. But she didn't have any complications in her treatment.

My point is related to the thread because while drugs are useful for stopping pain. They want to use ecstasy to basically take the sufferers out of the real world and to stop them from having to deal with their problem. I agree they should have pain relief (well who wouldn't), but they need to deal with their situation. Hiding from your problem never does anyone any good.

Thats where Jesus comes in.

And if you want to find out whether Jesus really excists are not, all you have to do is ask him.

Edit: Of course others will have differing views on the subject matter. But this is a discussion forum and I am just putting accross my opinion.

 

[zimv20]

I am saying it is the act of believing in Jesus and asking him for healling.

so, it's just jesus? muslims and hindus and buddhists and zoroastrians and whoever else can pray all they want, but they won't see any positive effects from praying. is that what you're saying?

But that does not mean you shouldn't go to the doctor to get it sorted out as well. One of my aunts who was a christian and had cancer, went through all the radiation thearpy etc. But she didn't have any complications in her treatment.

the Scientific Method has detected a flaw in your experiment.

They want to use ecstasy to basically take the sufferers out of the real world and to stop them from having to deal with their problem.

interesting interpretation. did you read the article to which i linked? the experiment w/ MDMA is specifically geared towards opening lines of communication so that patients can deal w/ their emotional problems. is this not a noble goal?

 

[hvfsl]

so, it's just jesus? muslims and hindus and buddhists and zoroastrians and whoever else can pray all they want, but they won't see any positive effects from praying. is that what you're saying?

Yeah, that's what I believe, there is only one God. But there are benefits to be had from positive thought (as have been shown in numerious scientific studies).

the Scientific Method has detected a flaw in your experiment.

It wasn't an experienment. I am just pointing out that I have had relatives with terminal illnesses such as cancer and the only ones that survived were christian.

interesting interpretation. did you read the article to which i linked? the experiment w/ MDMA is specifically geared towards opening lines of communication so that patients can deal w/ their emotional problems. is this not a noble goal?

I just skimmed through the part of the article you posted. This part gave the impression that they wanted to use the drug to to help the patient escape reality.

'The Food and Drug Administration has approved a pilot study looking at whether the recreational hallucinogen can help terminally ill patients lessen their fears, quell thoughts of suicide and make it easier for them to deal with loved ones.'

 

[Ugg]

My point is related to the thread because while drugs are useful for stopping pain. They want to use ecstasy to basically take the sufferers out of the real world and to stop them from having to deal with their problem. I agree they should have pain relief (well who wouldn't), but they need to deal with their situation. Hiding from your problem never does anyone any good.

It's interesting that you haven't addressed the mind-altering effects of pain medication. Many of the meds given to terminally ill patients have phenomenal mind-altering powers. What is that if not removing them from reality?

Oh, so you think it's possible to hide from a terminal illness? How can anyone possible deal with imminent death? Why shouldn't someone who is dying be allowed to use Ecstasy, IF it proves to allow people to get in touch with their feelings? Isn't that dealing with the reality that many of those who are dying are under phenomenal pain and pressure by their loved ones? I hate drugs of all sorts but the only thing I hate more is the sanctimonious who via their religion condone inhumane treatment of their fellow humans.

Answer me this, why did your god create ecstasy if not for it to be used for our benefit?

 

[zimv20]

Yeah, that's what I believe, there is only one God. But there are benefits to be had from positive thought (as have been shown in numerious scientific studies).

i'm confused: a christian praying will receive a lot of help, but a non-christian praying will receive some help, just not as much. is that what you're saying?

 

[Neuro]

From what I (um...sometimes) remember about taking certain vowel-based chemical compounds, you need to listen to very loud pumping hardhouse, trance or relentless techno to get the true benefits. Isn't this potentially a logistical nightmare for cancer patients seeking treatment?

 

[wdlove]

i'm confused: a christian praying will receive a lot of help, but a non-christian praying will receive some help, just not as much. is that what you're saying?

IMHO it's not about being a Christian or Non-Christian. It's the amount of faith, a belief that you will receive your request. Something bad can be turned into something good. It is not for us to know the reason that things happen.

 

[Mechcozmo]

If they give them too much/too often the seratonin levels may temporarily dry up (as compared to what they normally are....not technically dry up....but you know what I mean if you've rolled before) and they may be in a worse mental/emotional condition than they were before taking x.

Actually, the mass amounts of drug-induced Seretonin kills off the receptors. That's one way to build tolerance to the drug-- need more to make more Seretonin so the remaining receptors can still give you your high. And eventually, you can kill all but the heartiest receptors. Plus, ecstasy is made out of some nasty stuff. I don't know what "pure" ecstasy would be. It also:

Raises body temperature to the point that you can die. 107? F sound healthy to you? It isn't.
And because it pumps you up, you are at risk for an artery or vein ripping open, spilling your blood out. And there isn't much a surgeon can do, because you will have lost a lot of your blood 10 seconds after the rip, and even if they do manage to patch that up, your already weak body from chemo/radiation/etc. will be unable to continue. Well, if the FDA let something like Serevent through, you should be fine.

(Serevent, BTW, is a medicine that prevented asthma... but the trials had to be stopped because too many people died. I took it for over 4 years.)

 

[timmyOtool]

I have known several people with cancer, some were Christian, some became Christian after diagnoses, but one was an unrelenting atheist. I remember because even when he was at his sickest he stuck to his guns. Some say the act of believing can heal and this is true, because of everyone I know, this guy held his beliefs the strongest. He believed in a great many things, god was just not one of them. He is still alive today and in remission. So, in conclusion this is hardly represents evidence that being an atheist will help you survive cancer, just as the story posted above is hardly evidence that being Christian will help you survive. When it’s your time it is your time. If you believe in JC you can't question that, and if you don't believe is God you can't question that.

 

[Ugg]

I have known several people with cancer, some were Christian, some became Christian after diagnoses, but one was an unrelenting atheist. I remember because even when he was at his sickest he stuck to his guns. Some say the act of believing can heal and this is true, because of everyone I know, this guy held his beliefs the strongest. He believed in a great many things, god was just not one of them. He is still alive today and in remission. So, in conclusion this is hardly represents evidence that being an atheist will help you survive cancer, just as the story posted above is hardly evidence that being Christian will help you survive. When it’s your time it is your time. If you believe in JC you can't question that, and if you don't believe is God you can't question that.

I think that is the point. Belief doesn't have to revolve around a deity nor around a religion. All a person needs to do is believe and focus his hopes on that belief system. I think too many people get caught up in the idea that only prayer to a god or through an organized religion is beneficial. What it is of course is simply the power of the human mind, IMO.

 

[newyorker]

Anyone read Marx?

Looks like Marx was right when he wrote that "religion is the opiate of the masses."

 

[Crikey]

Yeah, positive thinking is always going to yield better results.

Would you really prosecute a terminally ill ecstasy user anyway? I'd turn a blind eye to a rolling cancer patient I think.

Unfortunately, the government is not as benign or tolerant as you or I, and they don't mind killing people to preserve their Drug War.


Crikey