Stupid comments from friends/family...

[Mousse]

Don't sweat it, man, as long as you're both happy. There is no perfect relationship or marriage and there will always be issues; the way I see it, it's all about being understanding and tolerant of each other and everything just works out in the end.

Yep, it's all about give and take. You give, she takes. As a man it's easy for me to be magnanimous. But there are times I have to put my foot down--like when the Missus told me to stop acting like a flamingo.

 

[USAFA2008]

Don't sweat it, man, as long as you're both happy. There is no perfect relationship or marriage and there will always be issues; the way I see it, it's all about being understanding and tolerant of each other and everything just works out in the end.

That is true. As long as you're happy who cares?

 

[D.T.]

I am just curious what defines "unattended" because I don't see a legal definition.

Not in the car, in a position to operate it. Some jurisdictions in the US actually have "unattended vehicle laws", they're just rarely enforced - but with regards to remote start, that adds a different set of parameters to unattended in the US because remote starts can lock/secure the car, and/or a car running via remote start will have a timed shutdown or drive away prevention (without the fob in a close enough proximity).

That's mostly the logic of the law, are you creating a potential safety hazard /andor theft target (the latter being one of those things that affects insurance as well)

 

[BeefCake 15]

I am surprised your fiancé noticed a difference in milage as the price increase equates to a 2% (approx) reduction in fuel.

If her car does 35MPG then from 111.9/Litre equates to 68.85 Miles, the price increase would reduce that to 67.62, so its not noticeable.

There are many other factors in play here, are her tires correctly inflated and aligned? Also in UK your weather is getting colder, so the car will use more petrol, especially on short journeys (see below).

Is there more traffic on the roads, are there roadworks slowing or stopping traffic flow?

Whilst I see your point at your fiancés inability to understand she had got less fuel for her money, don’t you think your reaction was equally as stupid, as the reduction in fuel was so small as to be negligible, and you took no account of other variables that may affect fuel performance?

Fuel facts

To help drivers understand better the impact of winter driving on their fuel bills, the AA Fuel for Thought campaign offers the following facts:

• The heated rear window uses around two per cent extra fuel. If both the front and rear heated screens are used the increase in fuel consumption equates to six per cent as heated front screens consume more power than the rear screen.
• Even at a relatively mild outside temperature of +10C, a car's fuel consumption for the first mile will be around 40 per cent higher than with a warmed-up engine. This falls to around 16 per cent over the next three miles and, even up to 6.5 miles from start-up, fuel consumption can be 8 per cent higher.
• The increase in fuel consumption due to cold weather is similar for both diesel and petrol cars. AA tests show extra fuel use after 1 mile and 3 miles respectively are:
  • typical small petrol car – 34% and 17%
  • medium petrol car – 38% and 16%
  • small diesel car – 32% and 12%
  • medium diesel car – 43% and 18%
• For demisting windows and getting the cabin comfortable, basic air conditioning on a small car can increase fuel consumption by up to 10 per cent. A more powerful petrol engine will suffer less, as will a larger diesel.
• Getting stuck in a traffic jam is another daily problem with winter driving. Even with a warmed-up engine, a petrol car can lose at least two-thirds to three-quarters of a litre of fuel every hour, or 1.2 to 1.4p a minute. A diesel car can lose a third to half a litre of fuel an hour, or 0.6 to 1.0p a minute.

Damn, this guy drives!!

OP, you might be the stupid one after all

 

[USAFA2008]

Not in the car, in a position to operate it. Some jurisdictions in the US actually have "unattended vehicle laws", they're just rarely enforced - but with regards to remote start, that adds a different set of parameters to unattended in the US because remote starts can lock/secure the car, and/or a car running via remote start will have a timed shutdown or drive away prevention (without the fob in a close enough proximity).

That's mostly the logic of the law, are you creating a potential safety hazard /andor theft target (the latter being one of those things that affects insurance as well)

So if I start my car while I am scraping ice off of it is that unattended? That is why I asked if the remote starters were available in England. It seems if they are available in jurisdictions where there are unattended vehicle laws the manufactures are enticing people to use it. My wife's Subaru WRX will shut off when the door is opened when you start it remotely. I do understand the theft target and it affecting insurance. That is why I lock my truck when I start it and let it warm up.

 

[Apple fanboy]

So if I start my car while I am scraping ice off of it is that unattended? That is why I asked if the remote starters were available in England. It seems if they are available in jurisdictions where there are unattended vehicle laws the manufactures are enticing people to use it. My wife's Subaru WRX will shut off when the door is opened when you start it remotely. I do understand the theft target and it affecting insurance. That is why I lock my Tahoe when I start it and let it warm up.

I only have one key for my car, so I can't do that. Replacement keys are real expensive!

 

[USAFA2008]

I only have one key for my car, so I can't do that. Replacement keys are real expensive!

They are outrageously expensive! I had to get a replacement key for my wife's WRX and it was almost $300.

 

[Apple fanboy]

They are outrageously expensive! I had to get a replacement key for my wife's WRX and it was almost $300.

I only got one when I bought the car. I think I'll order one just so I can defrost the car this winter.

 

[0388631]

We've never lost a key, but our key prices range from $400 to $700. On remote start, some marques offer it as a remote locked start. You can start the vehicle, but you still need to unlock it to gain access which is when it turns off.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I only got one when I bought the car. I think I'll order one just so I can defrost the car this winter.

My parents always had two keys for each car as they each drove both; any other course of action would have been inconceivable to them.

 

[Apple fanboy]

My parents always had two keys for each car as they each drove both; any other course of action would have been inconceivable to them.

I drive both. But neither has two keys.

Mrs AFB won't drive my car though. She says it's too big!

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I drive both. But neither has two keys.

Mrs AFB won't drive my car though. She says it's too big!

Well, each parent had a key - their own key - to each car. Which made complete sense to the pair of them - when they bought cars, they always made a point of getting two keys.

Mother - who was extremely organised in almost every other facet of her life - was forever misplacing her car keys. It drove everyone nuts. So, their plan was two car keys or every car from the outset.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Well, each parent had a key - their own key - to each car. Which made complete sense to the pair of them - when they bought cars, they always made a point of getting two keys.

Mother - who was extremely organised in almost every other facet of her life - was forever misplacing her car keys. It drove everyone nuts. So, their plan was two car keys or every car from the outset.

I've never lost a key (or phone or wallet for that matter). I'm very organised.
But I'd like a second key just so I could keep a spare. That way I can stick the heater on in winter and lock it whilst it defrosts.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I've never lost a key (or phone or wallet for that matter). I'm very organised.
But I'd like a second key just so I could keep a spare. That way I can stick the heater on in winter and lock it whilst it defrosts.

Mother was exceptionally organised - except about her car keys.

 

[D.T.]

So if I start my car while I am scraping ice off of it is that unattended?

In some states, technically it is ... but again, one of those on-the-books-but-never-enforced sort of laws.

I only have one key for my car, so I can't do that. Replacement keys are real expensive!

We never keep the extra key(s) out, they're just stored, even if the two of use are driving the same car, we use the same key (you know, since we can't operate it at the same time )


Side note: this topic took an odd, but slightly more interesting turn.

 

[USAFA2008]

I only got one when I bought the car. I think I'll order one just so I can defrost the car this winter.

I would be afraid of losing the 1 key.

My parents always had two keys for each car as they each drove both; any other course of action would have been inconceivable to them.

Same with my wife and I although I typically drive the truck and she typically drives the WRX.

I drive both. But neither has two keys.

Mrs AFB won't drive my car though. She says it's too big!

Funny my wife complains about the truck being too big. But then again we are stationed in England and she never complained about it before we came overseas.

In some states, technically it is ... but again, one of those on-the-books-but-never-enforced sort of laws.

That's what I thought thanks.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I would be afraid of losing the 1 key.

Same with my wife and I although I typically drive the truck and she typically drives the WRX.

Funny my wife complains about the truck being too big. But then again we are stationed in England and she never complained about it before we came overseas.

That's what I thought thanks.

It's not a big car. It's a VW Golf.

As I said earlier I've never lost anything.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

It's not a big car. It's a VW Golf.

As I said earlier I've never lost anything.

At one stage, my father had a VW Jetta, and it was the one car he ever had that my mother loathed driving. She used to call it "the tractor" - grumbling that it "was big and heavy".

Ironically, she had never queried - but rather had (mostly) hugely enjoyed - driving the earlier family cars which included a large Opel, a large Renault (they both loved that car), a Nissan (Datsun in those days) and, at an earlier stage - an Avenger, which she had no difficulty whatsoever. By the time he drove a Honda, she had her own car, a Japanese coupé which he lusted after.

 

[Gregg2]

Do they only give you one key with new cars now? (I last bought a new car in 2012.)

Around here, it is illegal to leave a car running unattended.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Do they only give you one key with new cars now? (I last bought a new car in 2012.)

Around here, it is illegal to leave a car running unattended.

Neither of my cars were bought new. I've never had a new car. I'm allergic to that much depreciation!

 

[0388631]

We never keep the extra key(s) out, they're just stored, even if the two of use are driving the same car, we use the same key (you know, since we can't operate it at the same time )

We do this, too.

a Japanese coupé which he lusted after.

Celica, wasn't it?

 

[elf69]

thread took interesting turn lol

for the better I think lol

both our Hyundai coupe (Tiburon for you guys state side) have 2 keys.
one master and one normal, but only 1 alarm fob.

hyundai want £700 for a 2nd alarms fob!
I think not!

cheaper get 3rd party system fitted.

 

[heehee]

Do they only give you one key with new cars now? (I last bought a new car in 2012.)

Around here, it is illegal to leave a car running unattended.

All new cars comes with two keys.

 

[D.T.]

All new cars comes with two keys.

Yep. I got 2 fobs, 1 "valet key", and the fobs each have an "Oh no, my fancy keyless entry doesn't work" backup key on the inside

 

[Apple fanboy]

All new cars comes with two keys.

I think that depends on your country and model.