Stupid question, why doesn't Apple put TouchID on Macbooks?

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  1. AVEGA macrumors regular

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    I adore Touch ID on my iphone 6S+. It's super fast (basically instant) and makes passwords a breeze.
    I would think having TouchID on a Mac Book Pro would be a killer feature since any potential thief could not unlock your computer without your finger print. No more safari passwords and easier iTunes and App store purchases. They could even use the home button feature to give Mac OS some clever gestures at the tap of a single button and Siri too! Are the Mac Books Pros's too thin to have this feature? I can't image it really costing that much to do or being that difficult to place into the laptop. Am I just crazy? Is this a stupid question?
     
  2. Closingracer macrumors 68000

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    Well considering Windows Laptops have a fingerprint sensor on some laptops around the same thickness as the macbook pro's it can be done but it is a matter of does Apple feel like doing it.
     
  3. wlossw macrumors 6502a

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    I believe touch id relies on the custom made Arm processors (A8, A9) that are in iphones. Macs us intel processors, It would require a different approach then used in the iphone...
     
  4. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    The processor used doesn't determine the ability to use fingerprint identification.
     
  5. Brad9893 macrumors 6502

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    Touch ID relies upon Apple's custom A-series processors, most specifically the Secure Enclave located within them. The Secure Enclave is a segregated area within the hardware to encrypt, store, and secure the biometric data from the fingerprint scanner. Intel processors don't have this hardware feature built into them, so Apple would have to find a completely different way to implement it and have it be just as secure. There are probably lots of barriers that prevent them from doing it. Macs not having Touch ID is not a software issue, but a rather a hardware issue, so it may be harder to add.
     
  6. wlossw macrumors 6502a

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    I was referring to touch is as currently implemented... Of course there are other solutions, but they would require hardware changes...
     
  7. T5BRICK macrumors 604

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    The implementation that Apple uses currently requires a specific function of the processor. I'm sure they could work around it, but right now it requires the A7-A9 processor.
     
  8. T5BRICK macrumors 604

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    TouchID is pretty awesome and it's a great feature on my phone, mainly because typing a long password with extra characters is not always easy on the iPhone keyboard. My laptop has a nice keyboard so this isn't an issue.
     
  9. AVEGA thread starter macrumors regular

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    Is Apple on some sort of contract with Intel for Mac books ?
     
  10. Closingracer macrumors 68000

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    Windows had fingerprint identification for a few years and runs on Intel... Same concept but it could be done with Apple if they chose to. Plus your talking about ios not OS X
     
  11. Closingracer macrumors 68000

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    Idk but they are the best X86 cpu's avaliable. AMD makes some pretty poor ones
     
  12. rshrugged macrumors 6502a

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    Came across this at MAS -- https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/macid/id948478740?mt=8
    Write-up on it -- https://www.dailytut.com/apple/how-to-unlock-mac-with-touch-id-on-your-iphone.html

    A different one at MAS -- https://itunes.apple.com/in/app/knock-unlock-your-mac-without/id692929970?mt=8

    They both are used in conjunction with an iOS device. Not what you wanted but might be useful. The MacId write-up at dailytut claims it's intercept protected (don't know about the other).

     
  13. ABC5S macrumors 68040

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    I personally will not buy another Mac without one. Too many entries per day requiring one and Touch ID is a time saver. If Window can, than Apple can
     
  14. throAU macrumors 601

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    Skylake CPUs do have a secure portion of the CPU, so maybe Touch ID on the Mac isn't so far off.
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    Fingerprint ID on Windows kinda sucks though. It's nowhere near as slick or secure as Touch ID.

    It's been around 10 years or more, we were getting laptops with fingerprint ID at work in 2007 and prior.
     
  15. T5BRICK macrumors 604

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    No, but is there any other realistic option? ARM chips are nice for mobile devices like phones and tablets, but they can't really compete(at the moment) with x86 architecture.
     
  16. simonsi macrumors 601

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    True. If you don't care about the security of the data used to verify the fingerprint. If you just want a convenience feature go right ahead, if you want security then...
     
  17. Spudlicious macrumors 6502

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    Have to say I've had few Windows laptops with fingerprint readers, and the feature has never worked a fraction as well as on iOS devices.
     
  18. unfrostedpoptar macrumors regular

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    I'd love this but, in addition to the issue listed already, it would have to work with external keyboards/mice/trackpads since a lot of people often use their MacBooks closed with an external monitor/keyboard/mouse/trackpad. If it's like the sensor in the iPhone, then this feature would probably only work with Apple peripherals based on what we learned from the replace-sensor/update-iOS/bricked-phone mess a few weeks ago.

    With all of these issues, probably just easiest to use the app that lets you unlock the Mac with your iPhone although I haven't tried it yet.
     
  19. Wowereit macrumors 6502a

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    You are able to type much faster on a computer than on a phone and your fingers are going to the keyboard anyway, so there isn't the same huge gain in speed.

    But who knows, maybe we will see Touch ID on Macs, there is a secure part in Intel's chips and even if Apple would use another implementation you could just add a very small chip to the motherboard.
     
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    Yes, and if Apple changed over to ARM, then that would have deeper repercussions. While I can see Apple hard coding the TouchID functionality in to their Ax processors, clearly its something they can implement on X86. Perhaps this may be something we'll see in the near future, I have no idea why they hadn't.

    Of the Pc laptops that have it, I've not seen too many that had a nice implementation, and the sensor was rather ugly, and out of place, so for aesthetics I'm happy apple hasn't embraced it so far.
     
  21. dogslobber macrumors 68020

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    Apple and the NSA ain't getting my fingerprints.
     
  22. chabig macrumors 68040

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    Touch ID doesn't record or your fingerprints. It recognizes them mathematically, but the math won't work backwards to generate a print.
     
  23. BenTrovato macrumors 68020

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    It's part of the roadmap to make OS X closer to iOS. TouchID, lightning port, (maybe) Ax processors, etc. Touch ID is coming to the Mac, it's a just a matter of when it fits. I'm sure they are using the A-series processor as a reason why it can't be done now and I don't know.. I kind of like how Apple has implemented Touch ID that the fingerprints can't be reverse engineered.
     
  24. oneMadRssn macrumors 68040

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    TouchID is good on a mobile device because typing a long and complicated password on mobile is time consuming and frustrating given the amount of typos likely to occur; but having easy to type short passwords is bad security. So TouchID simplifies this process. Also, I think it was a necessary component of getting ApplePay.

    On a Macbook, I can type a long and complicated password very quickly. After that, a password manager (such as Keychain) fills in everything else automatically. Further, I don't think anyone will be paying at the grocery store with their Macbook. I don't see the need for TouchID.

    I wouldn't mind it if Apple added it, indeed I would welcome it. I just don't think it would be addressing a long-felt need, like it did on the mobile devices.
     
  25. throAU macrumors 601

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    If the NSA want your fingerprints, they'll get them.

    But why would they need them?
     

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