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Re: Re: Not a PDA

Originally posted by bwintx
Vote here (hope here, actually) is for a simple headless G4 design that retails for $599. At that price point, walls will start to fall in a way that Mac-only offices (you lucky people! :)) apparently can't possibly imagine.

Sounds more like a Mac console, like the Pippin, only more about video and music libraries than games and maybe even a portable. There is a Palm-based games console but it is designed for media cards, not a hard drive. Apple could do something like that, with a good, small resolution Open GL engine. With features like that people would do their portable gaming on it despite it's media libraries being the main focus of the device, assuming that the OS is easy for developers to work on, unlike the iPod. I guess that it would be running on a variant of OS X with a different interface intended for a small touch screen.
 
Re: Not a PDA

Originally posted by escap0
I hate to cut it to you guys.. but it wont be a PDA. The reason is because the market is hashed... People arent shelling out money for PDAs the way they used to.. Apple wont risk entering a bear market.

Umm... iPod? MP3 players weren't exactually flying off shelves when Apple entered the market. I know it's hard to remember, but Apple saved the mp3 player market from drowning.

Please, do not take this as a endorcement for the possibility of an Apple PDA. They are not going to make one. Period. End of Story.

And about the Newton being a failure, that's a matter of opinion. How many other technology products have loyal legions long after their compnay has done away with them? If anybody must berate the Newton project, berate Apple's marketing of the product, not the product itself.
 
Re: Re: Not a PDA

Originally posted by bensisko
Umm... iPod? MP3 players weren't exactually flying off shelves when Apple entered the market. I know it's hard to remember, but Apple saved the mp3 player market from drowning.

Actually, Apple redefined and expanded the mp3 player market with a revolutionary device. What they did was establish that people were willing to pay $300-$500 for a modern Walkman.
 
Originally posted by bensisko
My Guess: The eBook. A laptop for education that contains no optical drive, and only an ethernet and firewire port. It will contain a 10 gig hard drive and a lower end G4 chip. The eBook will be light weight and smaller due to it's 10" screen. It will also be equipped with Airport Extreme, and feature a new program for Panther that, when plugged into a desktop Mac via Firewire, you can easily install programs remotely and transfer files. Ultra-portable.

Hey, as long as we're all dreaming.....

I thought that Apple already had something like that, its called a 12" Ibook and it comes with a combo drive.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Mac Dummy
I thought that Apple already had something like that, its called a 12" Ibook and it comes with a combo drive.:rolleyes:

Yeah, except the eBook would have a smaller footprint, be half as thin, and cheaper. Even the iBooks could be desktop replacements, this would be a desktop assistant (like the origional laptops were advertised as), and would compete with those really small and thing Sonys. Yes the 12" Powerbook is small, but an even smaller/cheaper one would be better for those people who own desktops, and want to take something with them that would fit inside a binder sleeve (not that you'd want to put one in there...). Now that they're friends with IBM, how about an Apple version of IBM's laptop/paper combo (one of those write on the paper and it shows up on the laptop...). That would be great for education!
 
Originally posted by bensisko
Yeah, except the eBook would have a smaller footprint, be half as thin, and cheaper. Even the iBooks could be desktop replacements, this would be a desktop assistant (like the origional laptops were advertised as), and would compete with those really small and thing Sonys. Yes the 12" Powerbook is small, but an even smaller/cheaper one would be better for those people who own desktops, and want to take something with them that would fit inside a binder sleeve (not that you'd want to put one in there...). Now that they're friends with IBM, how about an Apple version of IBM's laptop/paper combo (one of those write on the paper and it shows up on the laptop...). That would be great for education!

Grade-school kids would CRUSH anything thinner than the current iBooks...
 
Re: Re: Re: Not a PDA

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Actually, Apple redefined and expanded the mp3 player market with a revolutionary device. What they did was establish that people were willing to pay $300-$500 for a modern Walkman.

Right, but the point was that it wasn't an explosively popular market, which rules out the idea that Apple wouldn't enter the PDA market (or any market) just because sales are blah...

Apple could enter ANY market, and be successful, if they came up with an angle like the iPod/iTunes/iTMS. Apple could get into the PDA market by offering something that nobody knew they needed and make it work seemlessly with the Apple computer system. I don't think webcams are this, mostly because you have to rely on someone else in your social circle to have the same thing you have, whereas the iPod trinity does not require anybody else, just you.

Just as an example. The camera market seems like a tough place to break into, but what about a device (a tad larger than the iPod with a color screen and a hard drive) that allows you to plug in the iSight and record video and take still pictures. When you connect this device to your Mac, it brings up iPhoto and/or iMovie. Simple, works, and they would make alot of money. Want to sync with iPhoto for on-the-go picture viewing? Remove the iSight and you have a pocket-sized photo-album about the size of a picture wallet.

If it's done right, Apple can make anything successful.
 
Its not a PDA

Ok. Fair enough. But, here is what Steve Jobs said about the PDA. U can take this debate up with him:

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19461.html

Apple PDA Plans Gathering Dust

By Jay Wrolstad
Wireless NewsFactor
September 20, 2002

Apple's pioneering PDA, Newton, failed to take off a decade ago, largely because it was a clunky, expensive device that the public was not ready for. Now, with the market saturated with PDAs and smartphones, Apple may not be ready to try again.

Despite being the acknowledged pioneer in handheld computing with a device that was ahead of its time, Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) has conspicuously avoided the PDA realm since the demise of the Newton. The best advice for Apple aficionados clamoring for a Mac "iPDA?" Don't hold your breath.

The semiannual Macworld trade show has seen the launch of several innovative devices during Steve Jobs' tenure at Apple, including the stylish iMac line and the more recent iPod MP3 player, for the company's relatively small but loyal following. Still, analysts contend that speculation surrounding a Mac OS PDA is just that -- and Apple, as may be expected, is tight-lipped regarding what is on the R&D drawing board.

In 1998, Apple pulled the plug on Newton -- the first PDA-like device and OS to hit the market -- after about five years of lackluster consumer acceptance. Gone, too, were the Newton OS-based MessagePad and eMate handheld devices. "This decision is consistent with our strategy to focus all of our software development resources on extending the Macintosh operating system," Jobs said at the time.

Rumors Persist

Yet rumors persist that Apple has a PDA up its sleeve. Aberdeen Group analyst Isaac Ro points to the iPod, along with Apple's new iSynch "Mac to mobile" Bluetooth platform, as evidence the company is experimenting with PDA functionality.

"The iPod has the basic technology to be a PDA, with limited PIM (personal information management) data applications built into a wireless device," he said. "But it is not clear that Apple would bring a PDA into the market."

Slumping Market

Ro noted that Newton failed to take off largely because it was a clunky, expensive device that the public was probably not ready for a decade ago. Now that the market is saturated with PDAs and smartphones that meld voice and data capabilities, Apple may want to hold tight before taking the plunge, he added.

"Jobs has said the market is limited for existing devices, and he may be waiting for next-generation wireless networks to roll out, offering Internet access and embedded technologies," Ro said. "If Apple does offer a PDA, they do not want to jump into a slumping market."

Jaguar Derivative?

Yankee Group analyst Sarah Kim agreed that now is not the best time for Apple to launch a PDA. Most Mac users already have a Palm PDA, she told Wireless NewsFactor, and it could be difficult to alter brand loyalty.

"To offer a new device, they would have to connect with consumers who are not using all that is available with PDAs today," she said. "People need to see the value beyond personal information management, which is available on the iPod."

Apple's new Jaguar OS could serve as the platform for a PDA operating system derivative, according to IDC analyst Kevin Burden. The OS X upgrade has features -- such as synchronization applications, a mail client and chat capability -- that would seem to work better on a handheld than a desktop machine, he pointed out.

Reputation for Style

But Burden believes the already crowded market could hinder development of an Apple handheld computer. "If Dell decides to get in, as rumored, it will be even more crowded, and we may see some consolidation rather than expansion," he said.

"The ground was not plowed for them back in the early 1990s, when Newton was released, but handhelds are sold on their core applications and design," Burden added. "Apple is well known for their innovative designs, and they could make inroads by changing the looks and utility of the PDA, just as they did with the PC."

Ro said the company could draw a sizeable portion of the Mac cult with a handheld device, and could expand the Mac OS base by offering desktop, MP3 and PDA hardware running on the same system. "They have already proven they can deliver very compelling devices," he said.




And if that is not enough look right here in Mac rumors.:
https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/05/20030529030024.shtml
 
Re: Its not a PDA

Originally posted by escap0
Ok. Fair enough. But, here is what Steve Jobs said about the PDA. U can take this debate up with him:

Yeah, I'm definatly on the "Apple won't ever make a PDA until Jobs is gone" boat. Although I would really like to see one, I don't want to see Jobs leave (in any way) just so I can have an Apple PDA (I've already got one.... the upg2100).

(Although, it's interesting to note that Andy Inhako's coloum in the latest Macworld centers around him wanting an Apple branded PDA. Good stuff, as per usual.)

What I would REALLY like to see, as long as we are all dreaming here, is a G5 tower that has one of those thin notebooks I described above that docks with the G5 (somewhat like the duo, but your home folder is located on the notebook's Hard drive and becomes the G5's Home folder (along with preferances) when docked).
 
I'm voting for some sort of HD based MINIDV camcorder type device but I have no idea what the heck I'm talking about!

--
Cheese
 
peprika i've got it... the special edition iPod!!! its so simple, the thing thats about music... nov 28... and is something that has been rumored for some time... and a surprise is to be announced on nov 28... im a genius

Maybe a color screen, maybe palm os integrated... who knows:D
 
Okay, here's one...

Apple offers a device that few, save Forum Macaholics, crave, want or even care about. Be it an 80 gig iPod, Newton2, Video iPod or Tablet Mac, it comes out, there's a nerd spike in sales and it goes flat as a cube expectation-wise.

They haven't pulled a "dumb as dirt" product launch in a number of years. Their cockiness has them long overdue for a beautifully brilliant mistake. In spite of the only blatantly visible, dirigably huge hole in their product line, Apple is most likely to launch some thing that nobody, save a few fanatics, wants.

That's the downside of Time Magazine proclaiming you to be some kind of genius. Eventually you start to believe it.

Frankly, I have a hard time remembering an Apple product launch where the vast majority of Apple faithful haven't been vastly disappointed. Of course, that's usually followed by the Kool-Aid soaked rally, clamoring to visions of unequaled greatness. We settle for mediocrity quicker than any fan-base in the world, as we chant "If Steve proclaimed it, it must be right, good, and true."

Regardless of the launch, I'm already set up to be disappointed, knowing that Apple's goals and my hopes are not on the same boat. I want more from my computing experience and they want more from my wallet. I figure we'll both be disappointed.

They've lost the benefit of the doubt...
 
Re: Okay, here's one...

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
We settle for mediocrity quicker than any fan-base in the world, as we chant "If Steve proclaimed it, it must be right, good, and true."

"We"?! It sounds to me like you have some unresolved issue with Steve Jobs.

Apple users may get dissapointed at product launches but that is due to high expectations. Everyone has a dream Mac that Apple will never release.

Like many here, I will be a little dissapointed when a headless eMac-spec Mac does not get announced at the end of the month. That does not mean that I would be put off buying another Mac when the time comes. Until the 1.6 GHz G5 PowerBook 12" gets released I will keep using the Dual 800 MHz QuickSilver PowerMac that Steve Jobs forced me at gun-point to purchase.
 
re 'dumb as dirt'

""""They haven't pulled a "dumb as dirt" product launch in a number of years. Their cockiness has them long overdue for a beautifully brilliant mistake. In spite of the only blatantly visible, dirigably huge hole in their product line, Apple is most likely to launch some thing that nobody, save a few fanatics, wants. """"

by jayscheuerle


Now... this is the best darn argument i've heard for it to be a PDA.
 
Re: Okay, here's one...

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Apple offers a device that few, save Forum Macaholics, crave, want or even care about. Be it an 80 gig iPod, Newton2, Video iPod or Tablet Mac, it comes out, there's a nerd spike in sales and it goes flat as a cube expectation-wise.

Seems to me they already did that with the iSight/iChat.

Maybe you need to be at a PC forum or something.
 
hm, headless mac?

OK, headless does sound a bit stupid, but then again - I have 2 jolly good Displays sitting here, more or less not used.
Why would I want to buy a yet another display?

So ok the Powermac is headless, G5 and everything. But to expensive for me. Let's face it, I usually never need the two G5's power. Ever since Panther, the GUI is nice and fast on my old iBook and not even the Power of that is neccessary most of the time.

But OK, you just don't buy 26HP cars anymore.
I'd possibly go for a Powermac G4 - but naw, couln't do that, too noisy. even though the PMg4 would make some nice Cube interiours.

Looking at it from the User perspective - I bought the Ibook cuz it's quiet. What a relief not to hear any fans. Seems that the older i become the less I can stand the noise of fans. Come to think of it - there are almost no quiet Desktops around. Therefore I'd only go for a G5 now - only noisy when the Power is needed... a bit like a Porsche ;)

Why is it that I keep those computer/car comparison up? I don't even have a car - I ride motorcycles...

But it seems to be strangely adequate comparison. Esp. for Mac's. A car, just as a Mac, or any other completely oversized computer, does act as status symbol.

But I don't need a status symbol, all i want is a cheap quiet box that I can use and eventually update. i ride a bike because i don't fancy walking half a mile from a parking lot to whereever I wanted to go in the first place. i hate sticking in traffic jams and rather go lightwight between it. It's the same with computers...
 
Re: Okay, here's one...

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
They haven't pulled a "dumb as dirt" product launch in a number of years. Their cockiness has them long overdue for a beautifully brilliant mistake. In spite of the only blatantly visible, dirigably huge hole in their product line, Apple is most likely to launch some thing that nobody, save a few fanatics, wants.
Like what, a tablet PC?
 
May have bin covered already...

...but:

I so wish for a small form factor Mac. This is the ideal switcher machine, as ppl at the iMac level will kinda think they are being forced to pay for the monitor etc etc, and they want a drop in replacement for their PC box, keeping monitor and peripherals etc.

Where this should pitch in? around the $500 mark, not $700+

For that, Apple can deliver a 1Ghz+ G4 with 256Mb Mem, and midrange video.

Apple needs to start thinking about accessible hardware platforms pricewise, and make more of a sell on their software, which now, with alot of people having an ingrained indifference to the look/ feel of their hardward (in the wintel world), is their unique advantage over MS/Intel.
 
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