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Submarine crashed pictures

I served on several LA Class subs when I was in the Navy, including another one the had bounced off the bottom at high speed (I wasn't aboard at the time it happened). Some of the comments made by the media are confusing to me. I wish I could say more.
If the charts that were provided to the boat didn't show the mountain, the captain can't be held responsible for knowing about it. Even if the area was just surveyed, if they weren't provided with more recent charts (Notice to Mariners), they can't be accountable. It's not like they've got a windshield to be looking through, to see if there is anything in front of them.
I believe that the damage will get repaired and the San Francisco will see a few more years of use.
 
wdlove said:
...Hopefully there will be thorough investigation. They need to find the cause so this this accident won't be repeated....
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mymemory said:
I can not complain about those who builded it...
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From a quick look at the photo on CNN.com it would appear that those who 'builded' it forgot to fit a windscreen! :eek:

EDIT: Of course this post would have been funnier if post 26 hadn't beat me to the screen.
 
Counterfit said:
link = semi-b0rked (redirects to something about hotlinking, and then redirects to itself), and it also requires registration.
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See of it works from within their forum

Link to post with higher res picture of top view

It's the same pic of the one in some of the papers, but the mod posted it himself -- much better that the cruddy ones on the websites.

Tried killing the cache, and using another browser -- and it worked... ;)
 
The damage is certainly not that major that it would automatically become scrap heap fodder. That whole section is not much more than a nonpressurized tank with holes in the bottom and a vent at the top. In the center would be your sonar dome. The cost to fix that is far outweighed by the value of the nuclear reactor. You don't just scrap a submarine for something like this...

I served on the the next submarine in the line, the 712... The San Francisco is SSN-711. Since the SF does not have vertical launch tubes for missles in the forward ballast tanks (which was probably a good thing in this case), the submarine is strategically less valuable than a newer submarine that does posess them. (Those with hull numbers greater than 719).

My guess (not having followed many of the links in this thread) is that they will decomission this submarine... It makes sense... The ability to launch the maximum number of cruise missles while retaining the torpedos ability to defend oneself makes the SF less strategically or even tactically interesting to Navy planners.
 
Spizzo said:
Now why it wasnt charted is another question. Either no one knew about it, or their charts wern't kept up to date. It the charts were not up to date, then it's ultimately the Capt.'s fault.
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Subs usually run silent. That means no noise. They rely on their charts to know what is in front of them. Passive sonar becomes near unusable at near 20 knot speeds, which they were at when the submarine hit.

The submarine has one hull, but a thick one. In the front is the sonar array, which is really really big in an L.A. class.

Thus the sub hit the mountain, and the sonar array became a giant crash-absorber. As well as the ballast tanks, but those aren't good to have filled with water when you hit something.

(I'm saying this based on what I know about submarines and sonar systems and what I assume to have happened)
 
KingSleaze said:
I served on several LA Class subs when I was in the Navy, including another one the had bounced off the bottom at high speed (I wasn't aboard at the time it happened). Some of the comments made by the media are confusing to me. I wish I could say more.
If the charts that were provided to the boat didn't show the mountain, the captain can't be held responsible for knowing about it. Even if the area was just surveyed, if they weren't provided with more recent charts (Notice to Mariners), they can't be accountable. It's not like they've got a windshield to be looking through, to see if there is anything in front of them.
I believe that the damage will get repaired and the San Francisco will see a few more years of use.
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Thank you for your service to our country in the Navy. I have heard comments on the radio that to be a submariner is a special breed. Once a member considered family for life. I appreciate your knowledge based comment.
 
Do you want to know something funny?

The submarine used for the movie "the yellow submarine" was bought by Venezuela and today is one of the only 2 military submarines we have.
 
peterjhill said:
The damage is certainly not that major that it would automatically become scrap heap fodder. That whole section is not much more than a nonpressurized tank with holes in the bottom and a vent at the top. In the center would be your sonar dome. The cost to fix that is far outweighed by the value of the nuclear reactor. You don't just scrap a submarine for something like this...

I served on the the next submarine in the line, the 712... The San Francisco is SSN-711. Since the SF does not have vertical launch tubes for missles in the forward ballast tanks (which was probably a good thing in this case), the submarine is strategically less valuable than a newer submarine that does posess them. (Those with hull numbers greater than 719).

My guess (not having followed many of the links in this thread) is that they will decomission this submarine... It makes sense... The ability to launch the maximum number of cruise missles while retaining the torpedos ability to defend oneself makes the SF less strategically or even tactically interesting to Navy planners.
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Got a kick out of this , i use to be on a boomer SSBN655 and remember i was in some high level offices Newport News many years back when the 712 with its verticle launch tubes was on the design boards and remember marveling at it with its verticle tubes. Classified at the time. It was the dream boat at the time if you know what i mean.
 
Crashing into a moutain!

This must be a Windows powered sub if it crashed into a moutain. I mean Mac OS X has a Radar and Sonar built right into it! My Mac would have seen the moutain and never crashed!

Bill Gates is a Cylon! All our technology will some day stop and he will rule the world - unless of ource my Battlestar Mac-tica can win the war!
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gwuMACaddict said:
different boats for different jobs



virginia class, coming soon to an ocean near you



as for repairing the boat... looks like they're going to...
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