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The decline of the Mac continues

OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion = IOS for MAC. SAD SAD SAD. Apple sells a few million iPhones and iPads and and believes everyone now wants their Macs to be just like their mobile devices. Wrong Apple Wrong. Somebody at Apple is on crack.

Long live Snow Leopard. The last real OS for the Mac.
 
It is incredibly annoying when genuine problems and issues are dealt with by smug, idiotic comments like yours.

And not only is is annoying it just reveals you as being a grade one dimwit for not understanding the problem in the first place.

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And don't forget the neutered Quicktime 10 with all the tweaking and editing features taken out..

and I wondered where such a rude individual could possible be from...
 
OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion = IOS for MAC. SAD SAD SAD. Apple sells a few million iPhones and iPads and and believes everyone now wants their Macs to be just like their mobile devices. Wrong Apple Wrong. Somebody at Apple is on crack.

Long live Snow Leopard. The last real OS for the Mac.

If it was iOS for mac, then I wouldn't be alt tabbing or managing my file structures.

Mountain Lion = Improved iCloud for the Mac.

I don't know about you but I'm able to use my mac the same way I used Snow Leopard only now everything stays consistent between my phone and my pc.

Stop being so dramatic.
 
An opposite view ...

IMO, RSS feeds have always been kind of cheesy.
They've traditionally had problems with servers unable to serve the content well under heavy load, and if you're launching a browser already -- why aren't you just reading the actual web pages anyway?

RSS seemed like kind of a fad to me when it first took off, and at this point, if you're using it, you may as well use a piece of software designed just to work with the feeds. Pretty sure Apple sees it the same way. Why bother with it when it has little to do with the rest of what a web browser is all about?

It shouldn't matter how much profit Apple makes or how much money's in their bank! It's still sensible to drop support for things you realize aren't really contributing that much and focus efforts in better places.

As for Rosetta? From everything I've heard, that was actually a situation where Apple licensed the technology (from IBM, I believe) and rumor has it that usage license expired on them. That could be a pretty legitimate reason to decide to end it, vs. paying out big bucks to a competitor to keep it around a little longer.


The problem is feature removal without making sense. It's not like RSS feeds went down like MySpace.

Also, Apple recently makes (smaller) headlines with the constant removal of features without any explanation. They apparently just don't want to maintain some things, cutting cost, increasing profits yadda yadda.

Rosetta - gone since Lion
Airport Utility - dumbed down, features removed
Safari RSS - gone
Personal Web Sharing in Mountain Lion - gone

I bet this list is far longer, and this is the reason I have one computer still on Snow Leopard and one on Lion. I wont use ML if more useful features are being removed.

And yes, I am angry at Apple about this. Computers are productivity machines and the level of productivity rises together with the amount of features and options. They are NOT iPads with keyboards. :mad::apple:
 
Look at Internet Explorer, bloated with so many useless features and that's why its so slow.

I wouldn't say that Internet Explorer (version 7 and 8) was bloated because of so many features, I would say it was more because they were just a little bit crud at the time :)
 
They've traditionally had problems with servers unable to serve the content well under heavy load, and if you're launching a browser already -- why aren't you just reading the actual web pages anyway?

RSS seemed like kind of a fad to me when it first took off, and at this point, if you're using it, you may as well use a piece of software designed just to work with the feeds. Pretty sure Apple sees it the same way. Why bother with it when it has little to do with the rest of what a web browser is all about?
RSS is one way of finding web pages of interest. So is doing a Google search or looking through your own bookmarks. I find it convenient to use all of these tools without changing applications.

Compare these scenarios:
A. I want to search for web pages about Olympic sports. Without leaving my web browser, I do a search and display the web pages of interest.

B. I have some bookmarks related to with Olympic sports. Without leaving my web browser, I look through my bookmarks and display the web pages of interest.

C. I'm subscribed to some feeds about Olympic sports. Without leaving my web browser, I check what's new in the feeds and display the web pages of interest.
Now let's try that again using separate applications.
D. I want to search for web pages about Olympic sports. I open a separate application that's really good at web searching, with lots of features beyond what a basic web browser's toolbar would provide. I use it to search for what I want. Then I either display the web pages of interest in that separate application, leaving me unable to use other features of my web browser, or I switch applications again to display them in my web browser.

E. I want to look through my bookmarks for web pages related to Olympic sports. I open a separate application that's really good at managing bookmarks, with lots of features beyond what a basic web browser's bookmark support would provide. I use it to search for what I want. Then I either display the web pages of interest in that separate application, leaving me unable to use other features of my web browser, or I switch applications again to display them in my web browser.

F. I'm subscribed to some feeds about Olympic sports. I open a separate application that's really good at managing RSS feeds, with lots of features beyond what a basic web browser's feed manager would provide. I use it to search for what I want. Then I either display the web pages of interest in that separate application, leaving me unable to use other features of my web browser, or I switch applications again to display them in my web browser.
If I want fancy features then I can get them with D, E, and F. If I don't, it's a lot more convenient to use A, B, and C. There's a tradeoffs and it's beneficial to have the choice.

What puzzles me is that for routine use we all expect the convenience of A and B. Why not C as well? If people argue that F is more flexible than C, so we shouldn't have C at all, then wouldn't that also argue for eliminating the choice to use A and B?

I don't mind if a third-party web browser extension does the heavy lifting instead of Safari itself, but I want it to be integrated into Safari so it's as convenient as RSS feeds in Safari used to be (as Live Bookmarks are for Firefox).
 
Page update Stars on Top Sites page seems disabled as well

Very annoying about RSS and definitely not something that needed to be changed.

Something else to add to the list of "it looks like they removed it with Safari v6 without saying a word" is that the Top Sites page no longer appears to be showing page updates since you last looked at them (the little blue upper right hand corner with a star that indicates something has been updated on that page since you last looked at it).

Now you just have the Top Sites page but no situational awareness of whether the pages have been updated or not.

For those that want this feature or any of the other disabled features back, you can do the following (workaround).

Using Time Machine or another Mac if available (I used a Snow Leopard Mac that had Safari v5.1.7 on it) - you can copy the Safari (v5.1.7) package from the Applications directory into a new directory in Applications (I created one called Old Safari in the Applications directory) on your Lion or Mountain Lion Mac and the V5.1.7 will run just fine (tabs are normal, Top Site page updates show back up, hopefully RSS works normally).

V6.0 will run as well but with its noted and seemingly unnecessary drawbacks.

At least for the Top Sites page issue this seems to point to something disabled or broken in the v6.0 Safari package, since both versions would use the same Top Site supporting files etc. located elsewhere on the Mac and the v5.1.7 package working fine on the same machine.

FYI you definitely would not want to run both versions at the same time (since they will both utilize the same supporting files and could cause corruption).
 
Unless it can put back the Activity window I don't really care.

Go to Safari's preferences, click the Advanced tab, and check "Show Develop menu in toolbar". Then on the page that you want to see the activity for, choose "Show Page Resources" from the Develop menu. It has essentially the same information, but grouped into easier to manage categories.

Don't freak out guys! Even though the Activity window is gone, you can STILL download all your porn movies from Flash video players.
 
If RSS reader is removed why does it have the "Reader" on the right of the search field dimmed out? Maybe there is an option to simply re-enable it.
 
If RSS reader is removed why does it have the "Reader" on the right of the search field dimmed out? Maybe there is an option to simply re-enable it.

It has it dimmed out for one of the most obvious reasons in computing user interface mechanics in history, is that it's simply not usable at that point and time.
 
It has it dimmed out for one of the most obvious reasons in computing user interface mechanics in history, is that it's simply not usable at that point and time.

I cycled through all the websites that I usually follow and its always dimmed. I would think that you want to hide it then keeping it dimmed all the time. Also, they should have replaced it with an icon instead actual text to keep it short. It eats up into my toolbar space.
 
The problem is feature removal without making sense. It's not like RSS feeds went down like MySpace.

Also, Apple recently makes (smaller) headlines with the constant removal of features without any explanation. They apparently just don't want to maintain some things, cutting cost, increasing profits yadda yadda.

Rosetta - gone since Lion
Airport Utility - dumbed down, features removed
Safari RSS - gone
Personal Web Sharing in Mountain Lion - gone

I bet this list is far longer, and this is the reason I have one computer still on Snow Leopard and one on Lion. I wont use ML if more useful features are being removed.

And yes, I am angry at Apple about this. Computers are productivity machines and the level of productivity rises together with the amount of features and options. They are NOT iPads with keyboards. :mad::apple:

Lets brake down some of the features you talk about being removed...

Rosetta - Its outdated... Its not simply to cut costs, its simply rarely used. People need to move forward with technology. Or wait do you really need to use a old PPC app that bad that cant be replaced for free most likely? Probably not. So good bye wasted space Rosetta.

Airport Utility - As more mainstream users come to apple you need more unity. They did that, and most features are still there. We just gotta go to advanced options.

Safari RSS - I don't use RSS, but I have tried it. Its cool, but the way it was done in Mail and Safari was dull. Most people dont use it, or have their own dedicated app. Why should apple continue to support something that is barely used for a few computer users happiness. This is Apple, not Microshit.

Personal Web Sharing - Let me think. How much was Snow Leopard, or Leopard? Hmm a damn lot more than 20 bucks! When price drops, so does features. Plus again, so few people use it. So again its a dead feature. If you really want it. Pay 20 bucks more and get server addition. Simple.


Don't complain for no damn good reason. Apple makes their mistakes, like with the bloody TimeCapsule. Its absolute ****. But when you try to justify this stuff just to complain its pathetic. Think before you type.
 
Safari RSS - I don't use RSS, but I have tried it. Its cool, but the way it was done in Mail and Safari was dull. Most people dont use it, or have their own dedicated app. Why should apple continue to support something that is barely used for a few computer users happiness.

Disagree. It wasn't that long ago that adding RSS to Mail.app was a Big New Feature. Now RSS was eliminated, WITHOUT WARNING, from both Mail and Safari.

I bought a new rMBP knowing that it didn't have an optical drive. But I would have been MIFFED if I installed M.L. and Safari 6 and saw my 100-plus RSS feeds go *poof* without warning.

I was happily running an all-native system and apps, and now Apple is apparently forcing RSS users to seek out a third-party app. Not good. (And it's not like RSS technology has been changing and Apple needs a team of programmers to keep up with it. The same Safari 5 RSS would have been just fine.)
 
I agree. Calling it that also misses the fact that Apple made it more difficult to switch what search engine you used. You could use the little popup in the search field to switch what search engine to use. Now you can not do that in Safari 6 unless you go to the safari preferences dialog. I major PITA.

Learn how things work before you post. When you open a new page it allows you to pick which search engine to use. :eek::rolleyes:

Its still there, just not as intuitive. Personally I like to see all 3 search engine come up at once.
 
Everyone complain about Apple randomly removing RSS from Mail in Mountain Lion here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Geez, now I'm definitely staying at Snow Leopard if they don't clean up their act.

I never used RSS in Mail, but did in Safari quite a bit. I didn't realize how much I used it until updated my Safari to 6. I only had a few feeds set up, but REALLY miss being able to be alerted and be able to quickly read simple feeds showing updated articles on MR, MLBTradeRumors and HoopRumors.
 
I never used RSS in Mail, but did in Safari quite a bit. I didn't realize how much I used it until updated my Safari to 6. I only had a few feeds set up, but REALLY miss being able to be alerted and be able to quickly read simple feeds showing updated articles on MR, MLBTradeRumors and HoopRumors.

Yeah, I don't understand why Apple got rid of such a useful feature. The thing I love about the Mail RSS reader is that the articles act like emails, and I can forward them to people if I want.

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I'm glad they removed it. I prefer my apps to be simple.
A mail app should be a mail app. A browser should be a browser. A feedreader should be a feedreader. Look at Internet Explorer, bloated with so many useless features and that's why its so slow.

Keep It Simple and Straightforward!

iOS Apps has shown that people want simple apps that do what they are designed to do, one thing, and do it right.

The RSS reader capability does not slow down Safari whatsoever if you don't use it. And IE wasn't bloated. It had very few features. It was just slow because, well, Microsoft.
 
Disagree. It wasn't that long ago that adding RSS to Mail.app was a Big New Feature. Now RSS was eliminated, WITHOUT WARNING, from both Mail and Safari.

I bought a new rMBP knowing that it didn't have an optical drive. But I would have been MIFFED if I installed M.L. and Safari 6 and saw my 100-plus RSS feeds go *poof* without warning.

I was happily running an all-native system and apps, and now Apple is apparently forcing RSS users to seek out a third-party app. Not good. (And it's not like RSS technology has been changing and Apple needs a team of programmers to keep up with it. The same Safari 5 RSS would have been just fine.)

I respect that point of view and agree it should of had warning, though from what I understand it's still there. You use the extension or terminal command and it adds it back too. But you prob knew that.

Thank you for the constructive comment compared to the last guy :)
 
though from what I understand it's still there. You use the extension or terminal command and it adds it back too. But you prob knew that.

Actually, I didn't. There's an extension that restores the same Safari 5-type RSS functionality? I've read about a couple of quickly written extensions that people have posted in the wake of Safari 6 eliminating RSS, but the early feedback has been so-so.
 
I wish someone would make a fix to restore the separate search and URL bars.

It really hacks me off, I hate having to shuffle through all the search suggestions before getting to completed URLs and I miss being able to write in the search box in one tab and then open another tab with that text still there.

:mad:
 
Everyone complain about Apple randomly removing RSS from Mail in Mountain Lion here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Geez, now I'm definitely staying at Snow Leopard if they don't clean up their act.

So basically, you want "Mail" to be the Mac equivalent of Outlook that incorporates "News", as well? I think Apple is right to return Mail to its roots. There's many excellent RSS readers available, for free, so there's no huge advantage to wedging that feature into Mail.app.
 
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