Subtitles cannot be turned off in a few HB converted m4v's

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  1. 3282868, Apr 23, 2011
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    3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    In Handbrake I added subtitles to my m4v's and I noticed that in playing [some] movies either in iTunes or otherwise the subtitles cannot be turned off.

    Settings I used in HB:
    Track: English - (Bitmap) (VOBSUB) w/ Burned In

    I didn't select burned in at first as I thought it meant you could not turn them off until I read it simply meant the same format as the DVD.

    UPDATE: Only a few movies have this issue. "Dark Water" is one, but playing others in VLC or in XBMC I can disable/enable the tracks.

    What did I do wrong and is there anything I can do?

    Thanks guys, I know I posted a lot of questions as of late, and I'm sorry, but you've all been so amazingly helping!
  2. peterjcat macrumors 6502

    Jun 14, 2010
    You were right the first time, burned-in means you can't turn them off, they're now part of the picture permanently.
  3. 3282868 thread starter macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    LOL You're kidding! hahahaha I noticed that in "Dark Water" I cannot turn them on, in others I can. Guess I'll have to go through all my m4v's and re-encode.

    So what is the best option, just do not use "Burned In"? Also noticed different subtitle options, such as "Closed Captioning" and the (Bitmap)(VOBSUB) with the "Burned In" option?" (I'm gonna kill who ever wrote the HB reference on burned in subtitles LOL)

    Thanks man, very helpful!

    Oh and is there a way to simply extract them from the m4v without re-encoding?
  4. Sedulous macrumors 68020


    Dec 10, 2002
    Handbrake cannot include softsubs unless you choose one that is listed as "text". If the DVD does not have that, the best option is to download a .srt (I usually use and drop that into your encoded mp4/m4v using subler. Try to get one that matches the frame rate of your video. Occasionally the subtitles may be off by one or two seconds and this can be adjusted using the "offset" found in the Edit menu drop down. Hope that is helpful.
  5. 3282868 thread starter macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    Totally helpful. I just had to delete 14 movies. You're exactly right, I must have misread HB about burned in subtitles and some of the films didn't have any other choice.

    Question: I'm using MetaX to tag (and I adjust much of the info manually). I don't recall a subtitle option, so do I have to run movies without subtitle's through Subler or can I just simply de-select the "burn-in" option in HB and still get subtitles (or use the closed captioning option)?

    Thanks so much!
  6. Sedulous macrumors 68020


    Dec 10, 2002
    MetaX only does tagging. Subler does not need to re-encode your file if you are dropping in a .srt. It just just dumps the .srt into the .mp4 container. Actually, you might find Subler more useful for tagging too, since you can choose File/Import/Search Metadata online. The advantage being that it doesn't need to re-write the file so it is much faster than MetaX in that regard. The only downside to Subler tagging is that I don't think it imports chapter names the way MetaX does (although subler can add chapters or totally create chapters from scratch using a txt file with the format 00:00:00.00 chapter X).
  7. 3282868 thread starter macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    I tried Subler but couldn't get it to recognize an m4v file. I'll give it a go again. I got a 3.33GHz 6-Core Westmere so MetaX takes about 30 seconds to work, and I use IMDB and which has the official studio release information re: plot summary and chapters. Thankfully I can re-encode the 14 I lost in 2 days.
  8. Sedulous macrumors 68020


    Dec 10, 2002
    Subler definitely does recognize m4v/mp4/mkv, so I cannot imagine why it isn't opening.
  9. 3282868 thread starter macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    Ok man, I'll give it a go. :)

    Thanks again and have a great weekend!
  10. Sedulous macrumors 68020


    Dec 10, 2002
    Thanks, hope I was helpful. After you open your m4v in subler, just drag the desired .srt file over the track listings and it will add it.
  11. eddyg macrumors 6502

    Sep 5, 2003
    Christchurch, New Zealand
    "burned in" - kind of self explanatory really :) With a finite amount of time for doc writing more attention was probably applied to difficult concepts. Possibly this was an oversight.

    Unless using the windows version of metax, use subler. Metax for Mac is no longer supported by the developer, and does have bugs. I've had great success with subler, plus it uses the same back ends as Handbrake, so things tend to just work.

    Watch out for forced subtitles, I generally would burn those in, in addition to the text subs (if added).

    Cheers Ed.
  12. 3282868 thread starter macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    Thanks Ed. I should have gone with my gut but being new to tagging and encoding I probably over researched (I'm a perfectionist lol) and misread it. I thought it simply meant the subtitles would be "burned in" exactly as they are on the DVD (color, font, etc.).

    Actually, here's what I read on HB:

    I completely over-looked the obvious, WHEN burned in lol.

    So MetaX has been ditched by the developer? Didn't know that. I read that there is a MetaZ and tried it but as I'm on Lion it didn't load.

    I'm re-encoding the 14 m4v's and I'll be using Subler, although I have to admit MetaX is pretty good.

    Thanks again everyone! Happy Easter! :)
  13. spacepower7 macrumors 68000

    May 6, 2004
    MetaX is blaaaahhhhh

    Subler is decent at tagging but I still can't get it to work to tag existing files, it might be my fault.

    iFlicks is good on and off, doing things differently in different versions.

    Identify2 now has a light version that will do much of your tagging for free. There are extra options if you get the paid version.

    I've used subler for awhile and just started testing iFlicks and Indentify Lite throughout the last week. I haven't made a final decision yet, I prefer iflicks interface but I played with 3 different versions that all function a little differently. I've been using identify lite more the last 2 days and also like it. I might buy the full versions of both, and see how they progress over time.
  14. 3282868 thread starter macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    I just tried and bought iDentify, I like it. Nice GUI, it checks a myriad of sources and seems easy to configure. The reviews were very positive so I'm hopeful this might make my life a little easier. :)

    Thanks mate!

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