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Suicide Bomber kills 2 Marines in Iraq
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If the US is such an "evil" empire
The why every body and its mother wants to come to live here, if your countries are such a haven, why almost 10 million + people try to get in any way they can.
It's becuase they have freedon something most countries in the world have no idea what it is.
Please all of europe and the middle east and south america even the canedians are just plain jealous they have the same resources but they don't get why they can be like the us.
We are the only country that if you are poor is becuase you want to be no because there is no opportunities get ahaed.
The why every body and its mother wants to come to live here, if your countries are such a haven, why almost 10 million + people try to get in any way they can.
It's becuase they have freedon something most countries in the world have no idea what it is.
Please all of europe and the middle east and south america even the canedians are just plain jealous they have the same resources but they don't get why they can be like the us.
We are the only country that if you are poor is becuase you want to be no because there is no opportunities get ahaed.
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France
Germany
Poland
El Salvador
Canada
Ecuador
Peru
Argentina
Brasil
Italy
Spain
Japan
Philipines
You named just about every country in the world ows its "freedom" to the US in one form or other in the last 100 years.
You must go back open a real history book and not one that has been censured by your goverment.
East germany
France
Germany
Poland
El Salvador
Canada
Ecuador
Peru
Argentina
Brasil
Italy
Spain
Japan
Philipines
You named just about every country in the world ows its "freedom" to the US in one form or other in the last 100 years.
You must go back open a real history book and not one that has been censured by your goverment.
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first of all, why do you assume that my government is practising censorship? you don't even know where i live.
if you had read the original post you would have noticed that we we're talking about the time since WWII, so most of your list is invalid. anyway, i think the one who is reading "censured" history books is you if you really think that such interventions have brought freedom to the people. the operations were directed by fear of communism, not because anyone cared about the freedom of people. for example, i don't exactly see how overthrowing a democratically elected government in chile and installing a regime quite similar to saddam's can be called 'defending freedom' (allende, picochet; you've heard the names, do you?).
first of all, why do you assume that my government is practising censorship? you don't even know where i live.
if you had read the original post you would have noticed that we we're talking about the time since WWII, so most of your list is invalid. anyway, i think the one who is reading "censured" history books is you if you really think that such interventions have brought freedom to the people. the operations were directed by fear of communism, not because anyone cared about the freedom of people. for example, i don't exactly see how overthrowing a democratically elected government in chile and installing a regime quite similar to saddam's can be called 'defending freedom' (allende, picochet; you've heard the names, do you?).
either you have a very selective perception or you are not too proficient in geography... there are more nations than the ones that appear on cnn, you know.
Re: If the US is such an "evil" empire
Just because we live well doesn't mean we treat the world well. Likewise, just because people want to move here doesn't mean they agree with U.S. foreign policy. That's a total fallacy.
Let me ask you something. If ill will toward the U.S. is all about jealousy, then why don't more people hate Japan's foreign policy? Why don't more people hate Scandinavian countries? I think what's caused the most problems for us overseas is how we throw our weight around and how we hypocritically support some dictators but not others. No one likes a bully, much less one that is at once sanctimonious and hypocritical.
as for your statement:
"We are the only country that if you are poor is becuase you want to be no because there is no opportunities get ahaed."
As someone who grew up extremely poor and is now doing pretty well, I should agree with you, right? Wrong. But I won't get into why your statement offends me deeply - that's a whole other can of worms.
Let's stick to comparing us to other countries. Your statement is totally ignorant. You do that every other country in the world isn't "commie", right? There is a great deal of upward mobility in many European and Asian countries - especially since they have an excellent education system. Just because we have more money doesn't mean we have more upward mobility.
Originally posted by Wash!!
The why every body and its mother wants to come to live here, if your countries are such a haven, why almost 10 million + people try to get in any way they can.
It's becuase they have freedon something most countries in the world have no idea what it is.
Please all of europe and the middle east and south america even the canedians are just plain jealous they have the same resources but they don't get why they can be like the us.
We are the only country that if you are poor is becuase you want to be no because there is no opportunities get ahaed.
Just because we live well doesn't mean we treat the world well. Likewise, just because people want to move here doesn't mean they agree with U.S. foreign policy. That's a total fallacy.
Let me ask you something. If ill will toward the U.S. is all about jealousy, then why don't more people hate Japan's foreign policy? Why don't more people hate Scandinavian countries? I think what's caused the most problems for us overseas is how we throw our weight around and how we hypocritically support some dictators but not others. No one likes a bully, much less one that is at once sanctimonious and hypocritical.
as for your statement:
"We are the only country that if you are poor is becuase you want to be no because there is no opportunities get ahaed."
As someone who grew up extremely poor and is now doing pretty well, I should agree with you, right? Wrong. But I won't get into why your statement offends me deeply - that's a whole other can of worms.
Let's stick to comparing us to other countries. Your statement is totally ignorant. You do that every other country in the world isn't "commie", right? There is a great deal of upward mobility in many European and Asian countries - especially since they have an excellent education system. Just because we have more money doesn't mean we have more upward mobility.
I came from extreme poverty too
So don't try lecture me on that please been there done that.
About pinochet in chile do you know that the in soccer stadiun he killl more than 10,000 people just because they question his goverment.
and thausand more are still missing. But that's a different history.
This country gave an opportunity that I would never had in my "Free" country and for that I'm very greatfull.
And like any other point of view most people don't like it when their version of the truth/reallity is challenge so they attacked by been ignorant and so forth...
ANd for americans that complaint about the us foring policy if you don't like move to iraq I hear that they need voluntiers oh no wait you can move there if you want couse you have that choice unlike the irqis that live there on the 3rd largest oil producing contry of the world with 99.999% poverty rate and sadam taking all those billion in to his pocket. silly me!!
you can complaint for the same reason I can write this freedom of expression something most americans take for granted . I'll always said that the US could use a good dictartoship to see what it is like to lived in fear of your goverment.
What the US is doing now is that it has learn from history and it would not allow it to repeat it self like when the us did nothing when hittler came to power.
So don't try lecture me on that please been there done that.
About pinochet in chile do you know that the in soccer stadiun he killl more than 10,000 people just because they question his goverment.
and thausand more are still missing. But that's a different history.
This country gave an opportunity that I would never had in my "Free" country and for that I'm very greatfull.
And like any other point of view most people don't like it when their version of the truth/reallity is challenge so they attacked by been ignorant and so forth...
ANd for americans that complaint about the us foring policy if you don't like move to iraq I hear that they need voluntiers oh no wait you can move there if you want couse you have that choice unlike the irqis that live there on the 3rd largest oil producing contry of the world with 99.999% poverty rate and sadam taking all those billion in to his pocket. silly me!!
you can complaint for the same reason I can write this freedom of expression something most americans take for granted . I'll always said that the US could use a good dictartoship to see what it is like to lived in fear of your goverment.
What the US is doing now is that it has learn from history and it would not allow it to repeat it self like when the us did nothing when hittler came to power.
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Hmm...interesting list. Could you please elaborate how we "liberated" El Salvador? You are aware that we suppored Duarte's cruel dictatorship, right? Among the crimes his regime committed, besides the murder of thousands, is the rape and murder of nuns, and the assasination of bishops. The Catholic church was seen as the enemy, see, because their charity work and sympathy to the poor was seen as Communist sympathizing.
Spain? What did the heck did we do to end Franco's regime? The last time I checked, he stayed in power for decades after WWII, and the U.S. was sympathetic to him.
The Phillipines????? Ok, I know we expelled the Japanese from their country, but you do know that the Phillipines was a U.S. colony from about 1900-1920, right? And that they rose up against us and we killed 200,000 of them? And what about after WWII? You call Ferdinand Marcos regime "liberation"? We supported Marcos' regime for decades.
And Ecuador? Peru? Argentina? Brasil? Maybe you're talking about when they gained independence? But what about the dictatorships that followed, and that we supported? Is a country "liberated" if it is still under dictatorship? It must not be, if we're claiming to "liberate" Iraq even though Iraq is not occupied by a foreign invader. Likewise, we can't claim to have "liberated" countries where we supported brutal dictators.
And as for "You must go back open a real history book and not one that has been censured by your goverment." I suggest you go back and read some books. You seem to have a profoundly skewed view of history.
Hmm...interesting list. Could you please elaborate how we "liberated" El Salvador? You are aware that we suppored Duarte's cruel dictatorship, right? Among the crimes his regime committed, besides the murder of thousands, is the rape and murder of nuns, and the assasination of bishops. The Catholic church was seen as the enemy, see, because their charity work and sympathy to the poor was seen as Communist sympathizing.
Spain? What did the heck did we do to end Franco's regime? The last time I checked, he stayed in power for decades after WWII, and the U.S. was sympathetic to him.
The Phillipines????? Ok, I know we expelled the Japanese from their country, but you do know that the Phillipines was a U.S. colony from about 1900-1920, right? And that they rose up against us and we killed 200,000 of them? And what about after WWII? You call Ferdinand Marcos regime "liberation"? We supported Marcos' regime for decades.
And Ecuador? Peru? Argentina? Brasil? Maybe you're talking about when they gained independence? But what about the dictatorships that followed, and that we supported? Is a country "liberated" if it is still under dictatorship? It must not be, if we're claiming to "liberate" Iraq even though Iraq is not occupied by a foreign invader. Likewise, we can't claim to have "liberated" countries where we supported brutal dictators.
And as for "You must go back open a real history book and not one that has been censured by your goverment." I suggest you go back and read some books. You seem to have a profoundly skewed view of history.
Sorry but I don't...Americans are fine - some are even pretty cool ;-) but your governments (of either persuasion) are two-faced liars. Sadly our 'leader' hasn't figured that out yet.
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The biggest single recipient of American foreign aid is Israel. Hardly paints the US as an unbiased broker of peace in the region.
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G-e-t a- l-i-f-e.
Talvez puedo escribir en Español así me puedes enterder. or may be Japanese, or chinese no way arabic that's the ticket
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Do you know that the U.S. helped assasinate Allende and put Pinochet in power? The CIA has already openly admitted to this. So those 10,000 people were killed courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. What are you going to claim now that the U.S. was on Allende's side? Man, I don't know where you've been getting your version history from. Yes, a lot of people live in fear of their government, and the U.S. has been one of the biggest supporters of dictators, especially in Latin America.
Thank you so much for helping to prove my point with the Pinochet example.
And as for your comment about if I don't like U.S. foreign policy then move to Iraq, what kind of statement is that? Here in the U.S. we vote our opinion, thankyouverymuch! I am a Latin American immigrant, and I have spoken with other immigrants (e.g. Chinese, Indian, etc.) that also see clearly how the U.S. has supported dictators since they didn't grow up on a spoon-fed diet of American propaganda. I think people coming into our country with different perspectives and points of view is a good thing. Having too homogenous a point of view can very easily blind you to reality.
Do you know that the U.S. helped assasinate Allende and put Pinochet in power? The CIA has already openly admitted to this. So those 10,000 people were killed courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. What are you going to claim now that the U.S. was on Allende's side? Man, I don't know where you've been getting your version history from. Yes, a lot of people live in fear of their government, and the U.S. has been one of the biggest supporters of dictators, especially in Latin America.
Thank you so much for helping to prove my point with the Pinochet example.
And as for your comment about if I don't like U.S. foreign policy then move to Iraq, what kind of statement is that? Here in the U.S. we vote our opinion, thankyouverymuch! I am a Latin American immigrant, and I have spoken with other immigrants (e.g. Chinese, Indian, etc.) that also see clearly how the U.S. has supported dictators since they didn't grow up on a spoon-fed diet of American propaganda. I think people coming into our country with different perspectives and points of view is a good thing. Having too homogenous a point of view can very easily blind you to reality.
I had enogh of this
It's good to see that people out there are not just drone, by the way yes I did know about that. I like to stir up people to see how far they go with their arguments. it has been fun but I have to go now bye
It's good to see that people out there are not just drone, by the way yes I did know about that. I like to stir up people to see how far they go with their arguments. it has been fun but I have to go now bye
"Back" into isolationism? We're more isolated diplomatically now than perhaps any time in our history, thanks to the Bush administration.
I'm not against intervention, but I'm dead set against unilateralism. And realize that we have a lot of baggage because of our history of supporting dictators, which means we should be sensitive about how our actions will be perceived in the world.