Java sucks. You should be forced into Objective C, I think that's Apple's point. It's probably part of the reason there isn't flash on the iPhone, it makes web developers think if they really need to use Flash for their website.
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Java sucks. You should be forced into Objective C, I think that's Apple's point. It's probably part of the reason there isn't flash on the iPhone, it makes web developers think if they really need to use Flash for their website.
You should be forced to do something.
For iPhone devleopment, it's a no brainer to use Objective-C, but for crossplatform dev, that's not the case.
And you really think that we'll stop using Flash just to accomdate an iPhone. That's ridiculous. You probably didn't notice, but iPhones are still a minority when it comes to web browsing. iPhone users just wont have access to certain features of a site, they'll have access to the same info the search bots can see though, which is just fine for a portable device that's not up to desktop specs.
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I think Apple has stopped work on future JVMs on Mac -- hence the lack of the current Java on 10.4/10.5...
SUN should do it anyhow...
SUN should do it anyhow...
Yea, I think AIR will have a place on iPhone, and SVG/H.264 will end up taking the place of Flash... Flash causes more crashes on Safari than anything else ever anyways on my Mac!!! So annoying!
Oh wooopty doo. Dont care for java in the slightest. Majority of the worst apps i have ever used have been made in java. Objective C or naff off IMO
Not really.
Exactly. The language of choice for apps already written in Java. Also, once you realize that Java is the most popular programming language, while Objective-C is barely used, and Macs-only (and iPhones), it should be obvious that many companies and developers targeting multiple platforms are not going to invest time, money, or resources in learning a niche programming language and its frameworks. (TIOBE has Java:Obj-C popularity at 200:1)
That said, Java ME is very limited, but SE would eat up RAM way too quickly. Let's see what Sun can come up with...
Religious arguments about Java itself aside, the problem is that at best, this results in hundreds of crapware apps being ported to iPhone/touch with zero consideration for the platform or the multi-touch interface.
The last thing I want to see is the App Store flooded with ugly ports of chicklet input apps, making it difficult to find properly designed ones.
I really hope that Apple makes porting as difficult as possible to ensure that I don't have to weed through apps designed for last gen phones.
The last thing I want to see is the App Store flooded with ugly ports of chicklet input apps, making it difficult to find properly designed ones.
I really hope that Apple makes porting as difficult as possible to ensure that I don't have to weed through apps designed for last gen phones.
I don't understand, I thought Sun was moving mobile Java to a whole new implementation that is supposed to be almost a full java standard edition.
I agree that JavaME is crap, and nearly 95% of applications written for it by indepedent developers are total crap as well.
It would however be nice if Sun made a nice complete java VM that integrated with Cocoa well, and would make Java an optional language on the platform for those that don't know/want to learn Objective C. Is that type of thing possible? Isn't there already some type of wrapper library/interface created to mesh Java with cocoa and other BSD libraries for use on OSX/*nix machines that could be ported to iPhone? Anyone else know?
Also, I have been wondering if its possible and/or likely for someone to port a CLR implementation like Mono or Portable.NET onto the iPhone along with Cocoa# to that apps could be written in C#/VB.net/Ironpython but still use native cocoa interface and supporting libraries... ??
Air? What a joke. First of all, if web developers want to program connected desktop apps, they should learn a desktop language. It's completely pathetic to be using Javascript for a desktop app.
And putting "Air" on the iphone makes no sense at all! It already has a great Webkit/Safari implementation. The iPhone platform already has a native embedded Safari widget that you could use to make an "application" that would
basically load a blank Webkit engine and load a javascript/html "web app". Why would you need a proprietary thing like Air?
I don't think Apple would be approving apps that aren't completely redone to support the touch interface...
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The java is not going to be a benefit to the iPhone, running some slow games? Apple needs to focus on making it more benefit for B2B. http://hotcookies.net
The java is not going to be a benefit to the iPhone, running some slow games? Apple needs to focus on making it more benefit for B2B. http://hotcookies.net
And there it is. But don't tell Apple their plan to get rid of Flash, Java, Windows Media Player, etc. isn't going to work.
Their methods are especially futile when you consider that things like Quicktime are still around to spite the existence of Microsoft.
I really hope that Apple tells java where they can put their coffee beans!! Seriously the iphone is all about being smooth, integrated and easy to use (KISS). I would really hate to see Java mucking up that environment with crappiness.
Also, since apple has a whopping 71% mobile phone browser market share (in 8 months) it would seem that they are coming from a position of power in that arena. So maybe this would force web developers to look at h.264 more. At least as an option. I freaking hate flash.
Also, since apple has a whopping 71% mobile phone browser market share (in 8 months) it would seem that they are coming from a position of power in that arena. So maybe this would force web developers to look at h.264 more. At least as an option. I freaking hate flash.
There was: Cocoa-Java. "We're going to deliver to you the best Java 2SE delivery platform on the planet" (Steve Jobs, 2001).
Apple killed Cocoa-Java in 2005 because Steve felt that the hype was over. Now they are concentrating on the Python bridge. Until 2009.
The iPhone has only .1% of the overall browsing market, as of Dec. 2007. source
Steve says that the iPhone offers the "real" WWW, thus lessening the significance about mobile market share. In some cases I still find iPhone/Mobile formatted sites more useful because they usually aren't overrun with ads and other stuff and avoid excessive graphics/formatting/etc. What has 71% of the mobile market share gotten us? Home screen icons and some sites formatted for 320 x 480. These are nice things to have and shows some influence, sure. But it is a far cry from causing web developers to abandon long-standing technologies.
After all, most of the WWW caters to desktop browsers. So, I don't think the Jobster is going to change the face of the "real" WWW with .1% of the browser market. Heck, Firefox, Safari, Opera, etc. haven't been enough to completely get rid of Active X and IE specific sites.
Steve says that the iPhone offers the "real" WWW, thus lessening the significance about mobile market share. In some cases I still find iPhone/Mobile formatted sites more useful because they usually aren't overrun with ads and other stuff and avoid excessive graphics/formatting/etc. What has 71% of the mobile market share gotten us? Home screen icons and some sites formatted for 320 x 480. These are nice things to have and shows some influence, sure. But it is a far cry from causing web developers to abandon long-standing technologies.
After all, most of the WWW caters to desktop browsers. So, I don't think the Jobster is going to change the face of the "real" WWW with .1% of the browser market. Heck, Firefox, Safari, Opera, etc. haven't been enough to completely get rid of Active X and IE specific sites.
I suspect the writing of modified web sites due to the limitations of pre iPhone mobile web devices is doomed. Also, in a web 2.0 world, not carrying ads might be an additional reason for its demise. I suspect the iPhone is to mobiles what the Apple 2 was to computers. Just the beginning of a major paradigm shift.
Far be it from me to praise anything MS, but I think that having .NET's 'native language' be CLR with all other languages being just 'dialects' was brilliant.
Word. The authors of numerous commercial games don't seem to have too much trouble getting Java apps to run fast enough. Too many "programmers" around here firing off unfounded Java-hatred. With my admittedly limited experience of the generally unreadable Objective-C, I'd take Java any day. But then Apple sees Java as "not invented here," just like Microsoft did.
How accommodating of you. A real programmer, of course, would understand that the language used has limited effect on app quality - there are still commercially available and perfectly usable systems written in COBOL, which IMO is one of the worst languages ever created.
Complete bull. This is 2008, and Java is NOT slow.
Java was crap on pre G5 PPC processors, yes. I use multiple Java apps daily and I cannot tell the difference between a native OSX app and a Java app in terms of performance. The look and feel could be better, yes, but IMO, if the Java App has been packaged in a OSX app package, then the GUI isn't too bad.
Blame Apple.
Way back, Apple told Sun they wanted to do the Java implementation on OSX.
Apple have always been slow with Java releases. It would be extremely short sighted if Apple were to give up Java on OSX.
