Super impressed with El Capitan

Discussion in 'OS X El Capitan (10.11)' started by Skylitfly, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. Skylitfly macrumors 6502a

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    I mean, it's still a beta and it's already the smoothest and most feature rich OS X I've used so far. Very impressive.

    If it stays this way I believe this will be the best OS X release ever.

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  2. Shirasaki macrumors 603

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    Half half.

    For feature and functionality, this is a great release. But, some features are removed, such as ntfs partition removal in disk utility, and broken boot camp assistant (cannot remove windows using it).

    For stability and security, this is also a great release. However sip breaks down quite a bunch of apps, preventing many users from using their favourite apps and utilities, without worrying about updating apps.

    If I will rate overall satisfaction of El Capitan current beta, and 10 is the full mark, I would give 7 out of 10.
     
  3. bbfc macrumors 68030

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    It's definitely a VAST improvement over Yosemite (though anything would be). It's almost as fast and responsive as Mavericks.
     
  4. bisserwesser macrumors newbie

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    No difference whatsoever. Perceived speeds after an update are usually placebo.

    The same bugs still persist: Safari and Textedit do not remember window placement, although Textedit now pops up at some other random coordinates (x=440, y=0) than before (x=290, y=250). Console.app still does not remember window size, nor position. Safari has a new bug where it does not remember window size for file uploads. This seems like an endemic thing with Apple, spreading to more and more apps and circumstances, making the OS ever more unpleasant. (Yeah, I filed bug reports a long time ago, repeatedly.)

    With every update, settings are reset, like the stupid Photos app hijacking connected devices, or downloads being restricted to Apple's monetizing facilities. It's like having a helicopter mom watching over you, not trusting your own judgement. They even write protected /usr/local, locking up brew (they must know about brew at Apple, right?).
     
  5. iKnowMr.Jobs macrumors regular

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    It's pretty great on Public Beta 3. Really impressed at how speedy everything is, so much so that I've decided to keep using it on my main machine. The Personal Hotspot feature was totally broken in Beta 1 and Preview just refused to work in Beta 2. Those are the only issues I've ran into an only the latter was interfering with my productivity.

    Overall, I think this is going to be a great release of OS X. Hopefully, most developers implement the Metal API, which at this moment, is totally untapped.
     
  6. oldmacs macrumors 68040

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    WHAT!!! So you can no longer remove an install of Windows???? What happens when you no longer want Windows? ???
     
  7. Shirasaki macrumors 603

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    Uh, a little bit over reaction. :p forgive me for this word.

    When I try to remove, boot camp assistant will attempt to delete partition and restore to a single one. But, it will eventually fail.

    After that, that deleted partition remains as free space, not manageable through either diskutil, GPT utility, or of course, disk utility. And boot camp assistant can no longer try to remove that partition again since it has been removed. And the remaining free space remains just there. :(. No way I can recover that free space to reinstall windows.
     
  8. iKnowMr.Jobs macrumors regular

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    As annoying as that sounds, it is a beta, so you can't knock it too hard at this point. I'm sure that'll get ironed out before final release (especially if you file it Feedback Assistant).
     
  9. Shirasaki macrumors 603

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    I think the root cause is boot camp assistant does one more useless thing when partitioning disk. It moves recovery partition to the place right after mac OS X partition, and fail to move it back. And that should be the problem. :(

    Since this is beta, I don't care. I can only hope they will fix that in final release.
     
  10. iKnowMr.Jobs macrumors regular

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    They have to update Boot Camp Assistant anyways if only for the Windows 10 release. I'd be surprised if this problem persists into the GM
     
  11. oldmacs macrumors 68040

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    Ohhhhh I thought it was a design choice that you would't be able to delete a bootcamp partition in the final version. Phew. :p
     
  12. Skylitfly thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    In my opinion El Cap is even faster and more responsive than Mavericks. Not to mention how much improvements we have in terms of features. The overall fluidity and responsiveness is extra ordinary for OS X, it's pretty much like using iOS now. So far every OS X release before El Cap has felt clunky and less responsive compared to iOS. El Cap improves in that department quite significantly.

    Of course our experiences may vary because we are still at beta.
     
  13. Skylitfly thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    This is definitely no placebo. El Cap is dramatically faster than Yosemite in every possible way.
     
  14. colourfastt macrumors 6502a

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    Since iOS is not a computer operating system any comparison is meaningless. Comparing 10.11 to 10.6 would be a better judge, especially since many of us have had doubts about the direction of OS X since the release of 10.7.
     
  15. leman macrumors 604

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    Safari does remember window size and position as of Developer Beta 5. Of course, it will also resize when you open a website that needs the space (which is absolutely reasonable, IMO).

    These settings are preserved across updates for me.

    Unfortunately, signed applications and downloads from trusted sources is the only way to reduce the risk of malware with an average user. This has nothing to do with trusting your judgement or not. Its a basic security precaution. And you are by no means forced to live with it. Disabling it is trivial.

    In every Unix-like system, including OS X, /usr/local is owned by root. This is mandated by the FHS. Homebrew chowns that tree for convenience reasons. When you use a third-party tool that modifies system settings, you are responsible for that, not Apple. The already try their best to preserve all your stuff by copying your local tree back after the installation.
     
  16. Skylitfly thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Since when iOS isn't computer operating system? As far as I know smartphones and tablets are computers just like their bigger brothers. Just quite a bit smaller. Yes, iOS isn't fully blown operating system like OS X is, but still I see no problem comparing fluidity of these two.

    With your logic it would be pointless to compare acceleration and top speed of sport car to F1 car. These two are completely two different category but still it makes sense to compare certain factors of these two.
     
  17. Taz Mangus macrumors 68040

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    LOL! This again.
     
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    10.11 on my Mac mini early 2009 feels like 10.6 on that very same machine. Only 2 apps take quite a while to start loading when I've just rebooted the machine. All the other apps seem to respond just fine. So yeah, El Capitan is quite impressive.

    Luckily I'm not seeing the window sizing and position bug @bisserwesser has. Safari opens with the same size and some position and same tabs as I've left it both when restarting the app and after rebooting/shutdowning the machine. The same with other apps except for Console which started doing this since 10.8 I believe (unless you use tell it to save its windows state by using something like cmd-opt-q).
     
  19. bbfc macrumors 68030

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    Disk Utility has had features removed but these will be added back in. Apple has confirmed this in the release notes I believe.
     
  20. RobFog macrumors regular

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    Wow! Is that with an SSD or a regular hard drive?
     
  21. ScottNWDW macrumors 65816

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    I have been impressed with El Capitan with the exception of Calendars. Just about every application on the Mac that I have with the exception of BusyCal 2 cannot access the information from Calendars. That includes Fantastical 2, OmniFocus 2, 2Do and Desktop Informant. All worked fine before Beta 2.
     
  22. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Hope so
     
  23. freeuser macrumors regular

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    "When I try to remove, boot camp assistant will attempt to delete partition and restore to a single one. But, it will eventually fail."
    That's really annoying, had the same problem, but after deleting my updated W10 partition to get W10 fresh installed I could manage the free space for it. And W10 feels faster than El Capitan on my 13" MacbookPro Retina! EC isn't that fast for me, even with the latest public beta updates, compared to Yosemite.
     
  24. Irishman macrumors 68030

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    It may not be placebo, but that is hyperbole.
     
  25. Taz Mangus macrumors 68040

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    And it may not be hyperbole.
     

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