Supermicro CEO Joins Cook in Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Supply Chain Hack Story

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    Last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook called on Bloomberg to retract a highly controversial story suggesting Chinese spies planted microchips in the Supermicro server motherboards used in Apple's data facilities, saying there was no truth to Bloomberg's claims.

    Today, Supermicro Charles Liang joined Cook in calling for a retraction. In a statement shared by CNBC, Liang said that Supermicro has not found malicious hardware components in its products, nor has Bloomberg produced an affected Supermicro motherboard. Bloomberg, he says, should "act responsibly" and retract its "unsupported allegations."

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    Liang's full statement:
    Supermicro, like Apple and other companies involved, has denied all of Bloomberg's claims since the story was first released. Supermicro previously said it was not aware of any investigation nor any companies that had found illicit hardware in their Supermicro products.

    Amazon Web Services CEO Andy Jassy also spoke out against Bloomberg today, saying that the story is "wrong about Amazon, too." Like Cook, Jassy says Bloomberg at no point offered proof or listened to what Amazon had to say about the situation.


    Cook last week said that Apple "turned the company upside down" and dug "very deep" but could find absolutely no evidence that such an attack took place. "Each time we came back to the same conclusion: This did not happen," said Cook. "There's no truth to this."

    Since Bloomberg released its report, Apple has refuted the site's claims in multiple clearly worded statements denying it happened. Bloomberg continues to stand by its original reporting, which, citing 17 sources, said Apple, Amazon, and other tech companies had purchased and installed Supermicro servers that had been tampered with by the Chinese government.

    Along with Apple, Amazon, and Supermicro, multiple other sources have cast doubt on the information shared in Bloomberg's story. The UK's Cyber Security Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, former FBI general counsel James Baker, and NSA Senior Advisor Rob Joyce, for example, have all questioned the veracity of Bloomberg's claims and have denied knowledge of such an investigation.

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    Article Link: Supermicro CEO Joins Cook in Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Supply Chain Hack Story
     
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    Businesses should start shunning Bloomberg, until and unless they start conducting themselves in a responsible and professional manner.
     
  3. sentiblue, Oct 22, 2018
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    Regardless of many ways Apple and Supermicro denied Bloomberg's claim; neither of them denied in a direct way; something like "Our servers are NOT impacted, they do not have any hacked spy chips".

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    Cook said "there's no truth to their claim"
    Liang said "they should retract its unsupported allegations"

    I really don't understand the dodging! If you're clean, why not claim your cleanliness the most convincing way and say "we are not hacked"?


    Side note about Supermicro.... they don't make firmware updates to address Spectre/Meltdown vulnerabilities. I wonder if they want to continue having customers their new products. Just wondering...
     
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    I'll believe Bloomberg's allegations when proof and sources are revealed.
     
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    Wait, so Apple said:
    How's that not a direct rebuttal????
     
  8. farewelwilliams macrumors 68000

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    why hasn't super micro sued bloomberg? their stock tanked.
     
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    I called BS last week based on what I know about technology.
     
  11. AngerDanger macrumors 68040

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    Here, Bloomberg, if we're making things up, I've animated your hack explanation to show how China infiltrated pencils. It's not true, but who cares, right?

    China Hacked Pencils.gif
     
  12. vmistery macrumors 6502a

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    I am not sure how old your SuperMicro kit is but they most certainly have released new bios versions that cover Meltdown and a bunch of the side channel vulns too as I’ve applied them. Usually though with SM it’s best to go to your integrator to get the latest BIOS on your behalf as they don’t publish them all to the public.
     
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    Apple decides who get an invite to their announcements, events etc., I sure hope Bloomberg becomes and remains an outcast.

    "Sources said".........is a ruse for lies and fabrications; more and more the media becomes less accountable to anyone,
     
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    Because the discourse in this place gets real stupid real fast when anything is even vaguely political.
     
  15. Quu macrumors 68030

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    Whole story seemed made up from the start. So many holes in the whole thing even before the very detailed denial by Apple.
     
  16. Nicky G macrumors 6502a

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    Might be next step if they don’t get a retraction, we shall see!
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    And that’s different than a typical thread how?
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    This reveals an immense lack of knowledge about journalism, which has always used anonymous sources. They are only anonymous to us, people! Good and bad journalism has little to do with this in and of itself.
     
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    What, this?

    https://www.supermicro.com/support/security_Intel-SA-00088.cfm?pg=X11#tab
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    OMG, not my Apple Pencil too!
     
  18. Justanotherfanboy, Oct 22, 2018
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    Jesus, god- there’s reaching, and then there’s REALLY reaching, then there’s being abnormally desperate for a conspiracy theory to be true, then there’s.... well, I don’t actually know, but there’s at least two or three more levels before we hit where your comment lays.

    You are honestly pitching the idea that a hack occurred, and while Amazon, Apple, & Supermicro are all denying it- they are each, individually, or in collusion- trying to leave a sliver of deniability, in case it ever comes to light that they’re lying through their teeth, they’ll have some slim “parsing of words” type of meager defense of what would be a fairly egregious & heinous act?

    This is a BIZARRE theory! None of these companies would be looked down upon for falling victim to an uber-sophisticated tech scheme... people would be far more enraged w/ the perpetrators. However, if it came to light that these companies (in particular, the only two American companies to ever crack trillion dollar valuation) would rather openly lie, mislead, and dupe their customers (w/ nothing to gain.... not financially, nor are they in any legal danger), than just admit it... like Facebook, Equifax, Yahoo, ticketfly, etc. - it would have the downside ability to destroy said companies- their reputation, their stock price, they’d be forever tainted... for what??!! Bragging rights that they didn’t get hacked, when they actually did?
    Your story is an INCREDIBLY hard sell. It makes zero sense, on any level.
     
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    so this is the year bloomberg finally gets shut down due to stupidity eh? I'm glad I am able to be apart of this and alive to see a 'giant' goes down to nothing.
     
  21. swester macrumors regular

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    They're a $40 billion company and this was one article by one author out of literally thousands they publish every month. They aren't going anywhere.
     
  22. FloatingBones macrumors 65816

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    Bloomberg had another dubious story today: Now Apps Can Track You Even After You Uninstall Them:
    Bloomberg | Quint cited manufacturers of tracking software -- including AppsFlyer. But AppsFlyer's own documentation notes a clear limitation of their tool:
    Bloomberg is definitely overreaching with this new story. They didn't tell the whole truth.
     
  23. az431 macrumors 6502a

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    You may want to read Apple's letter denying the allegations because what you state does not square up with reality.
     
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    There's a certain irony in citing a BuzzFeed article in regards to journalistic integrity.
     

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