Supply Chain Evidence Mounts for Advanced 3D Sensing Abilities Coming to iPhone 8

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Ahead of the iPhone 8's predicted September announcement date, supply chain reports over the past few days have indicated a ramp up of 3D sensing components that are predicted to be destined for augmented reality and biometric security applications in 2017's high-end iPhone 8. In a research note by BlueFin Research Partners, "winners" for iPhone 8 component production are said to include Finisar and Lumentum for 3D sensing modules and Broadcom for wireless charging components (via Barron's).

Reports began building last week when iPhone camera component supplier Largan Precision confirmed that it will ship lenses for 3D sensing modules in the second half of 2017, while refraining from directly mentioning Apple and iPhone 8. In a recent quarterly earnings report, supplier Finisar made remarks that heavily suggested it will be "one of two or three suppliers" of vertical-cavity surface-emitting lasers (VCSEL) in the iPhone 8, according to LoupVentures.

iPhone 8 rendering by Benjamin Geskin


Such technology could be implemented into the iPhone 8's rumored 3D sensing module and help "enrich the augmented reality experience" in the next-generation iPhone. Apple and CEO Tim Cook earlier this month detailed plans to back AR and its potential as an indispensable future technology with the reveal of ARKit, a developer platform that will provide the building blocks for consumer AR iPhone apps.

Likewise, Lumentum has announced that it expects to see volume shipments for its VCSEL lasers begin in the second half of 2017, timed with the annual production ramp up of iPhone manufacturing.
On last nights earnings call, Finisar management did not mention Apple by name, but they highlighted they expect to see volume VCSEL orders in their second fiscal quarter, which is the October quarter end of this calendar year. The company anticipates shipping "millions" of units during the quarter, but management also went on to say they anticipate unit shipments to be in the "10s of millions" in future quarters, which gives us further confidence 3D sensing and AR applications will be one of the focus features in the next generation of iPhones. In May of this year, Lumentum was the first VCSEL supplier to announce they anticipate volume shipments to begin in the second half of 2017.

We also want to highlight Finisar acknowledged they are shipping VCSEL lasers to multiple customers, but one customer (aka Apple) is accounting for the majority of total demand. We believe Finisar and others supplying VCSEL lasers are supply constraint and shipping everything they can manufacture. We believe Apple has secured a high percentage of all VCSEL lasers created, which we view as a large competitive advantage and will make Apple a leading AR player in the smartphone space.
LoupVentures further suggested that the significantly updated iPhone 8 will have a front-facing, low-end VCSEL laser and a rear-facing, high-end VCSEL laser, meaning that AR applications could take advantage of either camera. A long-running rumor for the iPhone 8 has been a dual-lens rear camera that could provide increased separation between the two lenses and allow for a greater difference in perspective, helping fuel better AR experiences. A front-facing dual-lens camera has been suggested as a possibility in the new iPhone as well.

In estimating the iPhone 8's cost, the site believes that Apple will add around $100 onto the cost of the smartphone specifically due to incorporating 3D sensing modules. That price comes to around $950 (with no storage tier size references), and largely falling into line with the new iPhone's predicted "premium" status.

For its part, Broadcom is said to have a predominant place in the supply chain for wireless charging components of the iPhone 8, a feature fellow supplier Wistron recently confirmed will be coming to at least one of 2017's iPhone models. iPhone 8's wireless charging is expected to be fueled by inductive technology, because long-range wireless charging for an iPhone is still expected to be years away from feasibility.

In total, reports surrounding iPhone 8 component manufacturing have been increasing recently, with Apple said to be dominating the NAND memory chip supply chain and increasing shortages for an already strained section of component supplies.

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Ahead of the iPhone 8's predicted September announcement date, supply chain reports over the past few days have indicated a ramp up of 3D sensing components that are predicted to be destined for augmented reality and biometric security applications in 2017's high-end iPhone 8. In a research note by BlueFin Research Partners, "winners" for iPhone 8 component production are said to include Finisar and Lumentum for 3D sensing modules and Broadcom for wireless charging components (via Barron's).

Reports began building last week when iPhone camera component supplier Largan Precision confirmed that it will ship lenses for 3D sensing modules in the second half of 2017, while refraining from directly mentioning Apple and iPhone 8. In a recent quarterly earnings report, supplier Finisar made remarks that heavily suggested it will be "one of two or three suppliers" of vertical-cavity surface-emitting lasers (VCSEL) in the iPhone 8, according to LoupVentures.


iPhone 8 rendering by Benjamin Geskin


Such technology could be implemented into the iPhone 8's rumored 3D sensing module and help "enrich the augmented reality experience" in the next-generation iPhone. Apple and CEO Tim Cook earlier this month detailed plans to back AR and its potential as an indispensable future technology with the reveal of ARKit, a developer platform that will provide the building blocks for consumer AR iPhone apps.

Likewise, Lumentum has announced that it expects to see volume shipments for its VCSEL lasers begin in the second half of 2017, timed with the annual production ramp up of iPhone manufacturing.
LoupVentures further suggested that the significantly updated iPhone 8 will have a front-facing, low-end VCSEL laser and a rear-facing, high-end VCSEL laser, meaning that AR applications could take advantage of either camera. A long-running rumor for the iPhone 8 has been a dual-lens rear camera that could provide increased separation between the two lenses and allow for a greater difference in perspective, helping fuel better AR experiences. A front-facing dual-lens camera has been suggested as a possibility in the new iPhone as well.

In estimating the iPhone 8's cost, the site believes that Apple will add around $100 onto the cost of the smartphone specifically due to incorporating 3D sensing modules. That price comes to around $950 (with no storage tier size references), and largely falling into line with the new iPhone's predicted "premium" status.

For its part, Broadcom is said to have a predominant place in the supply chain for wireless charging components of the iPhone 8, a feature fellow supplier Wistron recently confirmed will be coming to at least one of 2017's iPhone models. iPhone 8's wireless charging is expected to be fueled by inductive technology, because long-range wireless charging for an iPhone is still expected to be years away from feasibility.

In total, reports surrounding iPhone 8 component manufacturing have been increasing recently, with Apple said to be dominating the NAND memory chip supply chain and increasing shortages for an already strained section of component supplies.

Article Link: Supply Chain Evidence Mounts for Advanced 3D Sensing Abilities Coming to iPhone 8
[doublepost=1498229336][/doublepost]So do we still think Energous is the one that's helping with wireless charging?
 

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Apart from this advanced hoopla, it should be easy for Apple to implement just navigation gestures on syslevel now with existing hardware.
(even if Phil has to wake up to make frontcams more energy efficient)
What are they waiting for..?
 
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mazz0

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ARKit using the selfie camera with depth perception could make some really convincing fake-being-somewhere-else video calls. Great for cheating husbands pretending to be at work, for example.
 

Sasparilla

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Will be interesting to see what actual capabilities Apple positions this with at launch.
 

jimbobb24

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It must work as Well as current Touch ID. Anything less is a step back -aesthetics not as important to something I use 100 times per day. Don't blow it Cook. Usability first.
 

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ARKit using the selfie camera with depth perception could make some really convincing fake-being-somewhere-else video calls. Great for cheating husbands pretending to be at work, for example.
Or people who want a day off but need to have a personal disaster happen to get one approved. "Honest, boss, I was on my way to work when Godzilla swallowed my car! Yes, with me in it! Look what's behind me! Big Lizard gut! Depending on his digestive tract I may not be in tomorrow either. "
 
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agsystems

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ARKit using the selfie camera with depth perception could make some really convincing fake-being-somewhere-else video calls. Great for cheating husbands pretending to be at work, for example.
"Great for cheating husbands" yeah - Apple was thinking about this when they created ARKIT :p
 

Menel

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This is what I expect.

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iPhone 7S      32GB $650 | 128GB $750 | etc...
iPhone 7S Plus 32GB $750 | 128GB $850 | etc...
iPhone 8/PRO   32GB $850 | 128GB $950 | etc...
I don't really think it'll be called the 8. Look at the iPad lineup... Mac lineup, etc.

But the 7, as itself, or with a 7S variant is going to stick around. Apple has LOTS of manufacturing in place for it. They will continue to milk the form-factor, ID, and chassis.

It TOTALLY wouldn't surprise me if the 8/pro totally vanishes and only get the typical 7S, I would LOL my ass off.
 

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[doublepost=1498229336][/doublepost]So do we still think Energous is the one that's helping with wireless charging?
Nah, not really... at least I don't. Based on what little research I did on Energous, their tech is 18-24 months away from consumer ready devices. If ever. They keep moving their product timeline further and further out. Their last prediction of shipping a far field charging unit has moved to Q4 2018.
 

newyorksole

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This is what I expect.

Code:
iPhone 7S      32GB $650 | 128GB $750 | etc...
iPhone 7S Plus 32GB $750 | 128GB $850 | etc...
iPhone 8/PRO   32GB $850 | 128GB $950 | etc...
I don't really think it'll be called the 8. Look at the iPad lineup... Mac lineup, etc.

But the 7, as itself, or with a 7S variant is going to stick around. Apple has LOTS of manufacturing in place for it. They will continue to milk the form-factor, ID, and chassis.

It TOTALLY wouldn't surprise me if the 8/pro totally vanishes and only get the typical 7S, I would LOL my ass off.
There's no way that we're only getting a 7S. The 7 is pretty much the same design as the 6/6S (minus a few changes of course).

The design, screen, cameras etc of this phone are all different.

It's going to have a new name. There might be a 7S AND iPhone Pro/2017/"iPhone", but definitely not just a 7S. Unless they call it a 7S, but has a different design.
 
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polterbyte

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That's some significant improvement in bottom screen real estate. I hope it's useful for more than just wallpaper and fingerprint scanning.
 

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[doublepost=1498229336][/doublepost]So do we still think Energous is the one that's helping with wireless charging?
Seems less than likely, however this was in their first quarter financial results report:

"
  • Energous expects the first orders for significant quantities of its chipsets from one or more customers before the end of the second quarter; shipped and in production in the third quarter; and available for purchase from the company's customers toward the end of the third quarter/early fourth quarter.
  • Expanded the number of active customer engagements to 68, and doubled the size of the company's customer-facing engineering organization to help accelerate the product integration cycle and support high demand.
  • In testing phase for regulatory certification of the first power-at-a-distance wire-free transmitter; anticipates formal certification well before the forecasted release of Energous' Mid Field transmitter by the end of 2017. "
 

GabrielMoro

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Its weird that they dropped all of the wireless charging rumors lately. Its been a while. Probably not going to happen. :(
 
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jedifaka

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Laser range-finding on a cellphone seems a huge deal. Supremely accurate facial recognition, 3D modeling, augmented reality; the applications are vast. A successful implementation could well be the milestone product Apple has been fishing for since the iPad.
 

dampfnudel

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It'll be the iPhone 7s, the iPhone 7s Plus, and the iPhone Edition.
iPhone Edition would be a dumb name. It's redesigned with some significant new features/tech, why not call it the iPhone 8? What happens next year, introducing the new iPhone Edition S?
 

M051102

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Good Apple. Please work more harder if you want me to swipe my visa card at your stores
 

GrumpyMom

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Or people who want a day off but need to have a personal disaster happen to get one approved. "Honest, boss, I was on my way to work when Godzilla swallowed my car! Yes, with me in it! Look what's behind me! Big Lizard gut! Depending on his digestive tract I may not be in tomorrow either. "
I'd use it to take a picture of rooms in my house right within five minutes after they're cleaned and tidied. Then in subsequent video calls, I can show myself standing in a tidy virtual version of my house and not the reality of the chaos kids and pets can bring ten minutes after the house has been cleaned. Really, five minutes of perfection is all I can ever get. If I can preserve that five minutes in virtual reality, the iPhone 8 will have justified its stratospheric price.

Initially, I had zero interest in the new iPhone. But as more information is leaked, I have a feeling I'll be hyped up on caffeine frantically pawing at the screen on preorder night, regardless of the state of my budget at the time.
 
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