Supply Chain Hints Suggest Retina iPad Mini Could Debut in Second Half of 2013

[irDigital0l]

I prefer and own an ipad mini but you can't refute that reasoning.

I'm sure others prefer a larger screen but dont want Android.

I'm not sure why a ton of Apple fans don't want Apple to do a larger screen option.

Makes no sense.

4'' isnt large.

 

[pnutty]

I'm sure others prefer a larger screen but dont want Android.

I'm not sure why a ton of Apple fans don't want Apple to do a larger screen option.

Makes no sense.

4'' isnt large.

makes no sense to YOU

You're the one that's awfully obessesed with the idea that the size must be bigger on a phone or anything. You said "4" isn't large"

You are sure people want a larger size but don't want Android, but yet you don't understand why people (Apple users in this case) wouldn't want larger? Some people like Android, some like Apple, some probably like MS and some don't care. Same can be said about sizes of phones too. Some people care and others don't. Believe it or not some people actually want smaller, some want larger and some don't care. It might not sound logical to you, but then again you are the one that seems to think Apple fans want a larger screen, but not a smaller one.....yet most people still have smaller phones.

Maybe any phone Android or iProduct doesn't have to be bigger than 4 inches. Because after 5" it looks like you are holding one of those smaller tablets to your head. Tell me why you think 4" is too small?

 

[irDigital0l]

makes no sense to YOU

You're the one that's awfully obessesed with the idea that the size must be bigger on a phone or anything. You said "4" isn't large"

You are sure people want a larger size but don't want Android, but yet you don't understand why people (Apple users in this case) wouldn't want larger? Some people like Android, some like Apple, some probably like MS and some don't care. Same can be said about sizes of phones too. Some people care others don't. And believe it or not some people actually want smaller, some want larger and some don't care. It might not sound logical to you, but then again you are the one that seems to think Apple fans want a larger screen, but not a smaller one.....yet most people still have smaller phones.

Maybe any phone Android or iProduct doesn't have to be bigger than 4 inches. Because after 5" it looks like you are holding one of those smaller tablets to your head. Tell me why you think 4" is too small?

I dont understand where you got "I want a screen bigger than 5'' or even a 5'' from.

4.5'' would even do.

 

[pnutty]

I dont understand where you got "I want a screen bigger than 5'' or even a 5'' from.

4.5'' would even do.

I never said that you said that, I used 5" as an example because that size looks big up against a head, even a large sized head like mine

But you are missing the point
For some people 4" is fine. You are the one that doesn't understand that whether it is 4" or 4.5" or 5" or 9" it won't matter to them. But yet you think all Apple fans should want more than 4", so you are saying that 4.5" or 5" are what they should want. That is what you said

As if everybody that likes Apple or even anyone that has EVER bought an Apple product is the same.

And you said "4'' isnt large." and then said "4.5'' would even do.". So 4" is not large, but a half an inch would be fine?? Come on...

 

[Casiotone]

I dont understand where you got "I want a screen bigger than 5'' or even a 5'' from.

4.5'' would even do.

Wouldn't holding the 4" iPhone about one or two inches closer to your eyes achieve the same thing as having a 4.5" screen?

I don't see how a difference of 0.5" warrants the constant bickering on this forum about how Apple doesn't have a larger screen iPhone.

Edit: And I wouldn't mind if Apple released a larger screen iPhone, if only to appease all this supposedly overwhelming demand for iPhone with screens that are 0.5" bigger.

 

[Speedy2]

One thing I dont understand is...

People say the iPad Mini is better than the Nexus 7 because it has a larger screen.

But people want the iPhone to stay 4'' or even back to 3.5''.

Which "people"?
Do you even read the comments here or are you just trolling?
From what I read here, the vast majority would happily see an option for a larger iPhone. And this is an Apple fan forum.
Stop making up stuff.

 

[irDigital0l]

I never said that you said that, I used 5" as an example because that size looks big up against a head, even a large sized head like mine

But you are missing the point
For some people 4" is fine. You are the one that doesn't understand that whether it is 4" or 4.5" or 5" or 9" it won't matter to them. But yet you think all Apple fans should want more than 4", so you are saying that 4.5" or 5" are what they should want. That is what you said

As if everybody that likes Apple or even anyone that has EVER bought an Apple product is the same.

And you said "4'' isnt large." and then said "4.5'' would even do.". So 4" is not large, but a half an inch would be fine?? Come on...

I said there should be an option for a larger screen (multiple screen sizes).

Pretty sure your making up the "all people want it" part.

3.5'' was already extremely small, Apple bumping it up to 4'' honestly didnt change much, they just made it taller. Making it 4.5'' or higher would need the width to expand as well. Better yet there's mockups that just make the iPhone a tiny bit bigger while having a large screen.

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Wouldn't holding the 4" iPhone about one or two inches closer to your eyes achieve the same thing as having a 4.5" screen?

I don't see how a difference of 0.5" warrants the constant bickering on this forum about how Apple doesn't have a larger screen iPhone.

Edit: And I wouldn't mind if Apple released a larger screen iPhone, if only to appease all this supposedly overwhelming demand for iPhone with screens that are 0.5" bigger.

I don't know, will it?

If that's the case I'm pretty sure Apple wouldn't need to have 11'', 13'', 15'' MacBooks. I mean just put your MacBook closer or farther away. Same with the iPad Mini. Just hold it out 20-inches away and you'll never need a iPad Mini with Retina display.

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Which "people"?
Do you even read the comments here or are you just trolling?
From what I read here, the vast majority would happily see an option for a larger iPhone. And this is an Apple fan forum.
Stop making up stuff.

I'm sure you can spend 5 minutes and actually look at basically any thread and I find people debating/complaining about the iPad Mini vs Nexus 7 or iPhone "Math" with 4.7'' display vs iPhone 5 with 4'' display.

Its literally everywhere.

It's all in your mind.

 

[Chlloret]

I dont understand where you got "I want a screen bigger than 5'' or even a 5'' from.

4.5'' would even do.

Average screen size of smartphones sold today is 3,5"
Most sold smartphone ever screen size is 3,5 (iPhone 4/4s)
Most sold iPhone atm has a screen size of 3,5" (iPhone4/4s)
Most sold Android phone screen size 3,5" (Samsung F4 platform,like the ace, the cheap ones)
Average screen size of all Android phones sold (all 700 Million of it) 3,2"

There are some bathroom tile size Galaxy phones out there, but in the big picture (the market dominance of Android) they are in the 10% region. The vast majority of Android phones are the Galaxy minis, the small htcs, the sony minis, the motos, the wildfires ect, the 0 dollar phones everybody got because its touch and sooooo cool because its "like the iPhone" only free. Even on prepaid packs.

You do not think Android phones rolled up the market with $700 devices like the SGSII or III? Samsung got several dozen models on the market and they are the bread and butter.

The original iPhone set the norm nearly six years ago. If all the competition has to offer is to make the screen bigger, they have no idea whats going on. I remember when everyone complained that the iPhone screen was too big at a time when everyone tried to produce the smallest phone on the market.
Big screens (5"and bigger) in a phone will make sense once you can roll them up into the device, otherwise just get a phablet and be happy.

 

[pnutty]

I said there should be an option for a larger screen (multiple screen sizes).

Pretty sure your making up the "all people want it" part.

3.5'' was already extremely small, Apple bumping it up to 4'' honestly didnt change much, they just made it taller. Making it 4.5'' or higher would need the width to expand as well. Better yet there's mockups that just make the iPhone a tiny bit bigger while having a large screen.

You do not understand that a wider width they would either have to tell the iOS developers for the iPhone to change their programs to fit both the 3.5/4" iPhones to your "newer" 4.5 wider iPhone. It is not just make the phone bigger and wallah.

Again you are putting words into my mouth and trying to change the subject off of you. You said:

I'm not sure why a ton of Apple fans

like all Apple fans are the same, let alone they should have your opinion. So you are wrong twice.

It's always so easy to generalize, like you do
It's easy to just add yet another size, because you want them to.
Do you see a pattern developing?

Maybe your opinion is not right. Maybe everybody doesn't need to fall in lien with you or be obsessed over a .5" difference in size, because Android phones come in many sizes, so they are right, right?

Continue to try and attack and be a troll. You are acting like you are not biased but you are being petty and thinking YOUR opinion should be true. It's not.

 

[linkgx1]

Average screen size of smartphones sold today is 3,5"
Most sold smartphone ever screen size is 3,5 (iPhone 4/4s)
Most sold iPhone atm has a screen size of 3,5" (iPhone4/4s)
Most sold Android phone screen size 3,5" (Samsung F4 platform,like the ace, the cheap ones)
Average screen size of all Android phones sold (all 700 Million of it) 3,2"

There are some bathroom tile size Galaxy phones out there, but in the big picture (the market dominance of Android) they are in the 10% region. The vast majority of Android phones are the Galaxy minis, the small htcs, the sony minis, the motos, the wildfires ect, the 0 dollar phones everybody got because its touch and sooooo cool because its "like the iPhone" only free. Even on prepaid packs.

You do not think Android phones rolled up the market with $700 devices like the SGSII or III? Samsung got several dozen models on the market and they are the bread and butter.

The original iPhone set the norm nearly six years ago. If all the competition has to offer is to make the screen bigger, they have no idea whats going on. I remember when everyone complained that the iPhone screen was too big at a time when everyone tried to produce the smallest phone on the market.
Big screens (5"and bigger) in a phone will make sense once you can roll them up into the device, otherwise just get a phablet and be happy.

Actually, that's a flawed argument..

3.5'' phones are usually more popular because they are cheaper if we are to take the entire world platform into perspective. Most of the world buys their phone outright rather than contracts like in the US.

The iPhone was obnoxiously big at the time of its release. That's because most of the info people were used to on phones didn't need something that large.

Now.....

Content is starting to demand larger phones.

I hate when people keep thinking under 4'' is the right size when that remains to be seen. What about a phone with essentially no bezel?

We would need to see some good stats on people buying contract phones, their income level and see how that pans out.

Are you going to say people buy more sedans than sports cars, so sedans are better designed?

 

[cgsnipinva]

That's great news.

Because I have several Retina equipped Apple products:
2012 15" MBPr
2012 iPad 4
2012 iPhone 5

My iPad Mini is a dreary looking thing.

Even compared to the non-retina, yet much higher resolution of my Nexus 7 & Nexus 10.

Conspicuously missing from the usual flurry of rumors at this juncture, is the sparsely rumored iPhone 5S.

That doesn't bring confidence to those of us who use both iPhone 5's and Galaxy G3 / Nexus 4 / Galaxy Note II Androids and are loving the gorgeous, spacious displays. Not to mention the highly efficient, fast & fun selection of SWYPE & other Gesture Based Keyboards.

I do hope Apple decides to participate in the arena of ergonomically enjoyable smartphones.

Clinging to their ultra compact iPhone form factor is great for some, yet as we've seen over the span of 2012, plenty of Apple loyalists like myself want a second more competitive size. Ideally Apple could easily sell two models of iPhone while still holding out for their fat gross profits.

Heck, if Samsung can do it, why not Apple!

Only time will reveal Apples state of mind.

They seemed to have followed suit with the iPad - I am sure they would put it in their plans given the amount of money and market share involved.

 

[mantan]

Did you buy it at T Mobile or via mail order? Why do you need a Google RMA?

I bought it at Staples. I misspoke...ASUS offered an RMA....

 

[Chlloret]

Actually, that's a flawed argument..

3.5'' phones are usually more popular because they are cheaper if we are to take the entire world platform into perspective. Most of the world buys their phone outright rather than contracts like in the US.

The iPhone was obnoxiously big at the time of its release. That's because most of the info people were used to on phones didn't need something that large.

Now.....

Content is starting to demand larger phones.

I hate when people keep thinking under 4'' is the right size when that remains to be seen. What about a phone with essentially no bezel?

We would need to see some good stats on people buying contract phones, their income level and see how that pans out.

Are you going to say people buy more sedans than sports cars, so sedans are better designed?

What's design to do with it? It's function. A phone has the principle function of making phone calls. It is always on you. So it has to be small,it has to be used with one hand on the go. It has to inform about incoming messages, you have to be able to send messages. Lately people expect to be guided to there destination. For 50years that worked just fine, anywhere in the world, today you need a gps enabled phone to drive into the next lake, because it told you so.

Well, for all the other "necessary stuff" you need on your phone, a bigger screen is indeed an advantage but one or two inches is not cutting it. Thats why I ditched my iPhone and got the iPad mini. That fits (just) in the inside of my Jacket and for the few phone calls I still place I use a small Bluetooth button. My messages' emails, whats up, skype ect come to the iPad, in the car it plays music, tv and navigation and all on a clearly visible screen. And its half the price of the iPhone. Win-win. My old iPhone4 got a happy new owner in my family.

 

[64Mario64]

One thing I find annoying about the iPads and iPhones is how slippery they are. They slide in your hand very easily, and sometimes that's not such a good thing.

Without a bumper case or something, it's very annoying. That's how my dad's iPhone got stuck under a car seat. It took 30 minutes to remove it by pure luck. 1962 Corvettes aren't designed for phones.

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This should be a disclaimer on every future iPhone and iPad story, seriously. So many whiners its annoying.

"Warning: May not be the latest iPad in the future."


This is great news of course, but what about the MAC PRO?

 

[Michael Scrip]

There is also a little something called the Apple Retail Store that most people seem to discount.

If I walk into an Apple Retail Store with a three year old broken device that has that little Apple logo on it, I will walk out with a device that it working. I may (or may not) have to pay for out of warranty service, but the device will be working.

Where do you go to get tat type of service for your Android phone or Windows computer.

Tim Cook talks about the Apple experience. Well, the retail store is part of that experience and it is worth a lot more than having the best display or the fastest processor.

Agreed

 

[Syk]

originally posted by Breaking Good

There is also a little something called the apple retail store that most people seem to discount.

If i walk into an apple retail store with a three year old broken device that has that little apple logo on it, i will walk out with a device that it working. I may (or may not) have to pay for out of warranty service, but the device will be working.

Where do you go to get tat type of service for your android phone or windows computer.

Tim cook talks about the apple experience. Well, the retail store is part of that experience and it is worth a lot more than having the best display or the fastest processor.

Does me no good if an Apple Store isn't close by. It's not like Apple Stores are like Walmart where every town has one.

Although we do have place locally that will work on on kind of devices.

 

[Viper2005]

I don't need retina, nor the added weight and shortened battery life that comes with it..
However, more RAM would be much needed!

 

[toke lahti]

I don't know about you, 4K on iMac would be overkill for me. Seriously, I really don't understand the hype over so called Retina display on computers. It isn't like you are looking at your computer screen right in front of your eye, like tablet or phone. Put that aside, how much do you think 4K iMac would cost. Sure some people going to buy no matter of what, but are you going to buy if it cost you thousands of dollar? I think not, I really can't find justification on spending thousands of dollar on computer.

4k might be overkill for you, but not for me.
If you want to estimate the price, think about 15" rMBP. It's 3k and how much more expensive compared to non-retina model?

By the way, I totally think today's Air is fine. I am using 13 inch Air with 256GB SSD. I liked the screen

I also think Air is about the best product Apple has now. My ipad3 is too heavy for prolonged reading for a book. iPadmini has weak resolution. Newest iphone has too narrow screen. rMBP's lack Fusion drive and matte screen. Minis lack dGPU. iMacs lack ODD and I just hate glossy screens. MP does not exist in EU anymore.

The reasons thst retina iMac is bad idea at least for now are: 1) the cost. I don't really know the cost to produce 21 and 27 inch retina display, but i would think the cost gonna be high. 2) You really need a good graphic card to push that screen. I still remember all the lag when scrolling down and zooming pages. 3) In order for you really see the text, you really need scale down the resolution. Like the Retina Macbook Pro do use 1440x900 instead of full resolution. You don't get more working space compare with low res. screen. 4) huge portion of web sites are still not optimized for Retina display, they are just look as bad on retina display.

How about Apple finally making their OS really resolution indipendent?
Again, if making 15" screen 3k is okay, why not 4k for 21" and 5k for 27". If Apple used real desktop GPU's they could easily handle those. And the panels wouldn't be notably more expensive. You'd need to cut bigger pieces from motherglass, but bigger pieces would have less dense pixels.

Average screen size of smartphones sold today is 3,5"
Most sold smartphone ever screen size is 3,5 (iPhone 4/4s)
Most sold iPhone atm has a screen size of 3,5" (iPhone4/4s)
Most sold Android phone screen size 3,5" (Samsung F4 platform,like the ace, the cheap ones)
Average screen size of all Android phones sold (all 700 Million of it) 3,2"

Do you think time will stop now regarding the screen sizes?
Do you think that when Apple starts to design a new product for 2015, they should care more about the average screen size people wish for in 2016, not what people had in 2012?

One thing I find annoying about the iPads and iPhones is how slippery they are. They slide in your hand very easily, and sometimes that's not such a good thing.

Maybe thats why all these silicone & rubber cases do exist?

 

[cgc]

You want a more powerful prozessor just for the sake of it? The apps you plan to use are not benefitting at all from it. They do not use any prozessor power at all.
Accordance 10 was made for the iPad mini, they even gave some away for it.

Yeah, I know, but I have a 4th gen iPod Touch which feels laggy in iOS 6...the iPad Mini is only about 2x faster, the iPad 4 is about 5x faster. I'd like to wait and see if they plop the A6 in the new iPad Mini. That's all, not saying anything bad but I want to be able to use the iPad Mini for a few years without issues.

 

[Chlloret]

Yeah, I know, but I have a 4th gen iPod Touch which feels laggy in iOS 6...the iPad Mini is only about 2x faster, the iPad 4 is about 5x faster. I'd like to wait and see if they plop the A6 in the new iPad Mini. That's all, not saying anything bad but I want to be able to use the iPad Mini for a few years without issues.

Hm. I do not have any iPod touch. I'm happy with my 7year old iPod (no touch) that is running and running on.
But I do have a iPad mini, iPad2 and iPad3, at work we got several iPad4. I was (and am) very happy with the speed of the iPad2, the 3 was a big disappointment as it was not only slower, but heavier and it lost a few hours battery life. Then came the mini, my favorite machine until now. Thanks to the higher dpi it got a fantastic screen over the 2, it is faster then the 2 (not benchmarks, but real life) and got the battery life of the 2. The 4 is faster on paper but really, in daily use, is equal with the mini. Battery was improved over the 3 (that was necessary) but the monster prozessor and gpu has to move so many pixels, that the speed advantage is not there anymore.

 

[phineas]

Nope, just your opinion sorry, not the truth.

And why is it not the truth?

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I really want a retina iPad Mini, but not if it comes at the expense of battery life and/or additional weight. That may unfortunately be the case, might have to wait another generation.

Curios, But WHY do you want an iPad mini? What is the primary use going to be?

Went to the apple store and put the mini next to the retina and saw NO difference at all, 2 apple employes said the retina is better display, I said really "PROVE IT" 15 minutes past and they couldn't.

I have the nexus 7 HSPA and LIKE it, it serves it purpose of reading, surfing and GPS is dam good.

Google I/O is going to bring out new devices for sure, love apple but its not always the logical way to go.

 

[Dreww]

I'm conflicted on this. I've had the iPad 2 since launch, and I have loved it. I've since gotten the iPhone 4, which I believe has a Retina screen. I've never been able to detect much of a difference in reading books or playing games. I don't plan to update either device for years.

I've been wanting to buy an iPad Mini for my girlfriend (admittedly for myself, too ), but don't necessarily want to wait for October on the chance that it may get a better screen. I am leaning more and more towards just buying it now. If the next model is some kind of revolution, then I'll decide on wether I'll resell it. I'm very bad at following these tech update cycles...

 

[SoldOnApple]

Consoles cost about $350 then another $50 for an additional joystick, toss in those $60 games. That adds up and I doubt people are going to be updating every year and then the system winds up not being backward compatible so you can't play your old games. It would also probably be a developers nightmare

How about if the controllers work between revisions? And the games work too (like how your Steam games still work even if you buy a new Mac).

 

[Syk]

How about if the controllers work between revisions? And the games work too (like how your Steam games still work even if you buy a new Mac).

I wouldn't have a problem with that but I don't think the PS3 plays PS2 games and from what I've heard the PS4 won't play PS3 games.

I just want a good VR setup. Flight simming would be pretty awesome with that or FPS. Maybe the Oculus Rift will really take off

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I'm conflicted on this. I've had the iPad 2 since launch, and I have loved it. I've since gotten the iPhone 4, which I believe has a Retina screen. I've never been able to detect much of a difference in reading books or playing games. I don't plan to update either device for years.

I've been wanting to buy an iPad Mini for my girlfriend (admittedly for myself, too ), but don't necessarily want to wait for October on the chance that it may get a better screen. I am leaning more and more towards just buying it now. If the next model is some kind of revolution, then I'll decide on wether I'll resell it. I'm very bad at following these tech update cycles...

I'm not bothered by my iPAd2 screen compared to my iPhone4 screen either.
A Retina screen would be nice for the mini but I think what's holding me back is the processor. It's basically an iPad2. I'd want a bump in horsepower.

I won't a cellular model. If Apple drops the price far enough on the Gen1 when the Gen2 is released I may go that route. It really depends on what the Gen2 has to offer

 

[phillipduran]

Nexus 7 already beats the Mini. The Mini really needs an update to bring it up to par. Course even being overpriced and under speced it still sells because of the little on it. Build quality is great, but take away the skin you don't have much left to justify the price.

I know I'll be hated on for saying that, but it's the truth, not my opinion.

It's just the little logo right?

Not iTunes. Not the massive developer base. Not the quality OS. Not the quality of the hardware. Not the superior user experience. Not the reliability.

I know you'll hate me for pointing out you're wrong but it's the truth, not my opinion.