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I'm so glad I quit buying iPhones!

If true, this move is so retarded it hurts, and ensures I will NEVER come back.

I am sick and tired of Apple's recent "we remove <x, y, z>, you deal with it" policy for design.

I find that I need Apple less and less as I am forced to deal with their omissions and that the competition is actually putting out compelling alternatives.

You can actually be "too forward thinking".

I wish Apple would at least keep one foot on the present, instead of jumping forward with both feet.

It seem Apple is "niche-ing" itself for the concept of compatibility within it's own ecosystem and positioning itself as a truly "high-end, rich-people-only" company.

For F's sake! They already have ALL the MONEY. They need to stop making devices LESS functional and expecting us to pay MORE!!!
 
Remember when everyone complained about the Lightning Connector? Now everyone loves it.
I'm sure no one will miss the 3.5mm headphone jack in 2-3 years.

Remember when Apple moved the headphone jack from the top the the bottom?
Lots of hate mail over that as well.
 
So you had the first iPhone, remember how it only worked with the headphones that it came with? or manufactures had to make the jack thinner to work with the iPhone. This is pretty much the same thing.

That flaw was corrected in the next version of the iPhone, so if this is pretty much the same thing, I guess the jack would be back on the 7s.
 
Problem solved:

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Absolutely THIS!!!! Did we really need 27 pages of panic when the solution is painfully obvious?
 
I remember when Apple removed the optical drive and replaced it with a proprietary system that no one else used. Oh wait, no, that's nothing like what happened. The optical drive was lost to the Internet & USB. Audio jacks survived because they have remained useful. Please tell me how Bluetooth solves the problem, but don't do it over BT 4, because I might not hear you.

And what happens when my wireless headset dies from battery life? Oh, I could charge my headsets from my phone? Oh, is this why we MIGHT get a bigger battery life? So overall, the phone probably won't last any longer. it's just to compensate for a technology that's already working and doesn't crackle when you listen to music
 
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The adapter will cost more than headphones. And any headphones will cost another 15 dollars to be compliant to the Apple protocol. Icky!

If the headphones charged wirelessly from 10 feet away, I would be all for this.
 
I support this. Both my earbuds (for running) and my headset (for listening to music) are Bluetooth and it's awesome.

What Apple may lose in "audiophiles" will be more than made up for by the droves of people who pick up the iPhone that comes with free Bluetooth earbuds...

Speaking as an audiophile...
We are NOT the ones freaking out!!!
Not at all. Not even a little bit. We are totally used to adapters. For example: Grado headphones come with a big fat 1/4" plug & a silly little about 5" adapter for the like 90% of people not using the fat old-school plug. It's a design decision... sure- it's quirky, but who cares?? NOT audiophiles!! We're too busy enjoying good sound to be whiners about insignificant petty little issues like "does my $750 phone & $450 headphones require a $10 adapter to continue providing me with the stellar level of sound which I'm accustomed to?"
Especially if it paves the way (like we're hearing in rumors) to new codecs & higher quality music for the masses... why would we be against it??
It's the best of both worlds, sounds like: bt for those that don't care about quality, but value portability, the new port for those that want to try the new hi-fi MP3 thing & the adapter for those that want to use what they have!
How can there be complaints in this scenario??
 
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Um....you ppl of the past 27 pages of comments know nothing official has been announced yet, right?
 
How can there be complaints in this scenario??
It's the internet. This is a rumor, even if it turns out to be true we have no idea what plans Apple has for audio and charging, but people are making statements about not upgrading to the 7 like it's set in stone.
 
I just realized a next problem...well problem for me.

If I am travelling / going anywhere with my Macbook and iPhone 7 I would have to do the following:

1. Carry 2 headphones, one compatible with the iPhone and one compatible with macbook.

OR

2. Carry a lightning port headphones then buy a lightning to 3.5 mm converter for macbook

OR

3. Use a 3.5 mm headphone and carry the 3.5mm to lightning converter for iPhone

ALL 3 poses inconvenience.

For anyone who says "use a bluetooth headphone so you can use it on both iphone and macbook". You try editing audio and videos with bluetooth headphones....LATENCY!....I edit audio and video every day.
 
That flaw was corrected in the next version of the iPhone, so if this is pretty much the same thing, I guess the jack would be back on the 7s.
Probably correct, but my argument being that Apple has done this before.
 
Speaking as an audiophile...
We are NOT the ones freaking out!!!
Not at all. Not even a little bit. We are totally used to adapters. For example: Grado headphones come with a big fat 1/4" plug & a silly little about 5" adapter for the like 90% of people not using the fat old-school plug. It's a design decision... sure- it's quirky, but who cares?? NOT audiophiles!! We're too busy enjoying good sound to be whiners about insignificant petty little issues like "does my $750 phone & $450 headphones require a $10 adapter to continue providing me with the stellar level of sound which I'm accustomed to?"
Especially if it paves the way (like we're hearing in rumors) to new codecs & higher quality music for the masses... why would we be against it??
It's the best of both worlds, sounds like: bt for those that don't care about quality, but value portability, the new port for those that want to try the new hi-fi MP3 thing & the adapter for those that want to use what they have!
How can there be complaints in this scenario??

Hah! I actually said something similar in one of my later posts:

The vast majority will be much happier using BT headphones once the 3.5mm jack goes away. The audiophiles will complain and then be satiated by expensive headphones containing expensive DACs that do better than the iPhone can do currently.

It's a win/win.

I completely agree that this will end up being a win. The complainers on here are simply Luddites who come out against any change whatsoever :)
 
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Speaking as an audiophile...
We are NOT the ones freaking out!!!
Not at all. Not even a little bit. We are totally used to adapters. For example: Grado headphones come with a big fat 1/4" plug & a silly little about 5" adapter for the like 90% of people not using the fat old-school plug. It's a design decision... sure- it's quirky, but who cares?? NOT audiophiles!! We're too busy enjoying good sound to be whiners about insignificant petty little issues like "does my $750 phone & $450 headphones require a $10 adapter to continue providing me with the stellar level of sound which I'm accustomed to?"
Especially if it paves the way (like we're hearing in rumors) to new codecs & higher quality music for the masses... why would we be against it??
It's the best of both worlds, sounds like: bt for those that don't care about quality, but value portability, the new port for those that want to try the new hi-fi MP3 thing & the adapter for those that want to use what they have!
How can there be complaints in this scenario??

I would assume because many users use a portable or home headphone amp to get the most out of our headphones and the more adapters and connectors you add to a set up that increases the rate of possible device failure or a lossier signal. Pono, while a commercial failure, launched the first major 24bit music service relying only on the 3.5 jack.
 
Your question wasn't addressed to me, but I can say that one of the main things that has kept me with iPhones is that they provided a natural replacement for my iPod, which was my main device for listening to music. If Apple is going to (in my opinion) detract from the iPhone's convenience as a music player, I would definitely consider other brands whereas before the iPhone would have been my default decision. There are other good phones to chose from. Either way, don't worry, I won't be one of those people who complains, and complains, still buys it, and still complains.

I just think that most people use Apple headphones that come in the box. If these were wireless people would still just use the ones Apple included.

If your headphones break, or you lose them, you can buy another pair from Apple, like today.

If you want to go to a different company, like you can today with wired headphones, then presumably you will be able to when the iPhone 7 is released. Having wireless headphones across a range of prices and qualities that brands can advertise as 'Made for iPhone 7!' is something I can see happening.
 
I have been using a Plantronics Backbeat Pro headset for the past couple of months and the sound quality is fantastic, not to mention the noise canceling being super effective. They're big and heavy, but I get a good 24 hours of charge out of them and I can go from listening to music (clean highs, strong lows that aren't oversampled and muddy) to talking on the phone, but they're not made for walking around the city wearing them.

They also are class 1 bt, which provides up to 300' of signal. In my office I can move from being on the second floor where my office is to the ground floor, and even out into the hall with no drop-outs without carrying my iPhone or my rMBP with me. This is the first time I've been able to do this with any bt headset.

How well do they work in a plane?
 
Dear God, drama queen!!!!
Do your Bose have some magic cable that REFUSES to fit into an adapter??

You pick my post out of the hundreds panicking in this thread to call out "drama queen"? Haha

All I'm saying is that if this turns out to be true, I won't be upgrading to the new iPhone as it won't meet my functional requirements. I don't want to carry around an adapter. It's bad enough carrying around a charger because the iPhone batteries are so small.

And all those attributing this decision to Apple pushing forward with technology as they always do, etc... are acting ridiculous - wired headphones are not on their way out, they're not old tech that will have no place in the modern world. They are industry standard.

This is a change for changes sake - you know, to make the new iPhone seem different from the others so people will buy it. Just like curved TV's. There is no functional reason for them to remove the headphone jack.

Anyway, we don't even know if this is true, so let's wait and see what happens.
 
How many lightning headphones do you have around the house?
Let someone else make the transition! I like the analog headphone because I've got plenty of them if I misplace them and do not like having the phone next to my head to talk. Be interesting to see how this works out for apple.

Apple will give you a free pair right out of the box. And you'll be able to buy an adapter for the other equipment you use. Problem solved.

Okay I don't really care about having to switch to lightning headphones for my iPhone, but I do care that I have to use headphones that won't work with whatever other device I'm trying to use. I frequently will take headphones I'm using with my iPhone, unplug them, and plug them into my Windows PC. Losing that will be annoying.

I'll have to keep track of "Oh these are my iPhone headphones, and these are my computer headphones. Oh and these are my old iPad headphones. If I take this pair I can use them with my iPad and maybe someone else's phone if they want to show me something, but I can't use them with my iPhone. I can use these with my iPhone but not with anybody else."

The beauty of this, is for new Apple products, you won't need an adapter. For legacy equipment, you'll simply have an adapter already plugged in to your PC that will take your Lightning headphones, so you don't need to keep track of multiple headphones, unless you just want to. And if you need to use a portable legacy product like an iPad 3, you'll buy an adapter. Just like I had to do after I got my iPhone 5S, in order to use the same charging cable with both -- not wanting to carry around 2 different charging cables.

Hopefully the adapter is just a cable that splits into two ports, a 3.5 mm headphone jack and another lightning cable. I don't want a rigid extension of the phone, rather an extended cable. That's just asking for a broken lightning port.

The best adapters won't be rigid, they will be simple flexible cords with a Lightning connector on one end, and a 3.5mm jack on the other. It will add a couple of inches of length to your headphone cables, and likely be mostly invisible to the user in the way it works. Some will have a pass-through Lightning port for charging and listening at the same time.

I'm all for removing the headphone jack but I don't think now is the right time. The Lightning port came with increased speed and a neato reversible plug. I can't think of any benefit from moving the headphone jack into the Lightning port, especially since headphones over Lightning are very rare and specialized. Also, with USB C gaining slow traction I don't want to have to get USB C to Lightning adapters...

The fact that Lightning audio products are proprietary and "rare" is exactly what this move will fix -- developers have no interest in serving a market which has the option of a cheaper connection. Take that away, and developers have a captive audience for which to serve their products. Ultimately this is a step in the right direction for the consumer. And there's no time like the present. Apple just released an ultra-thin MacBook with room for only one port -- the reality of which is has two, but the only thing the second port can do is supply analogue audio. If Apple switches to Lightning on their flagship product, that paves the way toward removing the 3.5mm jack from the rMB, and replacing it with a far more versatile Lightning port, that is also a just as capable backup to the single USB-C port. For Legacy Macs, they will need adapters for the new technology, just like every Mac and connector change before it. And ultimately, while you can't think of any benefit, there are. If nothing else, the move from the bulky 30-pin connector was more about saving space inside the phone, than the move to digital tech. One could say that was a bad time as well, but the longer Apple waited, the more 30-pin dock connectors would be on the market and the more licensing they would have to issue since they couldn't divulge their plans, creating more frustration with the developers when the day did come. It's inevitable that in order to make mobile devices smaller the 3.5mm jack will have to go, especially as the main stream moves toward wireless devices as they get better, and more convenient, with longer battery life, etc. And it helps Apple squeeze more value into their phones without making them bigger, or making other compromises.

So the question isn't why now, but why not now?
 
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This debate reminds me of something Steve Jobs said about what customers want and customer focus groups. He said that if Henry Ford had asked people what they wanted before starting up his assembly line the people would have said, “A better buggy whip.” Sometimes you have to show people what they want in order for them to realize that they want it.

This is exactly what I thought of when another forum member posted 'Apple should poll iPhone users and see what they want: a thinner iPhone or better battery'.
 
I just realized a next problem...well problem for me.

If I am travelling / going anywhere with my Macbook and iPhone 7 I would have to do the following:

1. Carry 2 headphones, one compatible with the iPhone and one compatible with macbook.

OR

2. Carry a lightning port headphones then buy a lightning to 3.5 mm converter for macbook

OR

3. Use a 3.5 mm headphone and carry the 3.5mm to lightning converter for iPhone

ALL 3 poses inconvenience.

For anyone who says "use a bluetooth headphone so you can use it on both iphone and macbook". You try editing audio and videos with bluetooth headphones....LATENCY!....I edit audio and video every day.

Latency for editing video with Bluetooth headphones? Now you're just making stuff up. I edit video with my Beats Studio Wireless all the time... have never noticed even a dash of latency. Anyway, if you're truly a pro you're most likely using waveforms to match markers and the like... not your ears, right?

The only case I've heard on here where latency makes any sense is for a DJ. I can see there that while performing live, timing can be critical. Even then, it's hard to imagine milliseconds making much difference... but I'm not a DJ so it's possible!
 
Everyone assumes it's in the name of thinness...what if it is in order to fit a larger battery and also to ensure the phone is waterproof? How many will complain then?

The competition doesn't need to eliminate the headphone jack to achieve battery performance that's superior to the iPhone. In other words, a headphone jack and long battery life and not mutually exclusive features. If Apple eliminates one feature to achieve the other, they simply haven't tried hard enough.

Waterproof? Surely you must be joking.

What's more important -- having a waterproof phone, just in case you drop it in the toilet, or having a universal headphone jack that's compatible with nearly every headphone on the market? And how do you waterproof an iPhone with a lightning connector anyway?
 
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Tell you what. Try flying in an airplane with those wireless headphones. What's that? You can't use them? Oops. I guess most people do still need headphone jacks.

I do use my bluetooth headphones when I fly, all the time. I may have to shut them down during take off and landing on some airlines, but that's not a huge problem. And more airlines are allowing bluetooth devices everyday. So sorry, that's not a reason not to do this.

So now, when your headphones get snagged on something while lifting your luggage to the overhead bin, instead of tugging on a robust 1/8" plug, you'll be tugging on the much-more-fragile Lightning plug, potentially damaging not just the adapter, but also your ability to charge your cell phone. The headphone jack is the single most abused connector on electronics products. Lightning just isn't up to the challenge of replacing it. It isn't even close.

Please do show me your empirical data that proves this. I've never even heard this rhetoric until this proposal was on the horizon. While anecdotal, I have never personally had an Apple branded Lightning connector fail, nor have known anyone else who has either. Since you are wrong about using Bluetooth on airlines, I have to assume this is equally as wrong.
 
Good. I can pair my iPhone 7 with my new Macbook Air for more hilarious dilemmas:

1. Do I charge my phone or listen to music?
2. Do I charge my phone or charge my laptop?

I can barely keep any one of my devices charged up.
 
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