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Yep! Switching on over to a GTX 1060 from a tbMBP 2016 as soon as posssible. I have gone from 6 Apple devices to two over the past four years. No more iMac, laptops, and Apple TVs. Just an iPad and an iPhone
If the Software is as flawless as the hardware this is going to be the ultimate Laptop, shapeau Microsoft.
First Dell then Lenovo and now MS putting a quad core into a 13 inch device very impressive.
First Dell then Lenovo and now MS putting a quad core into a 13 inch device very impressive.
I believe the Razer Stealth ultrabooks now have a quad core option now as well.
Impressive to say the least, but I'm disappointed in the pricing. I said this in another thread; I've long complained about Apple charging so much for their 15" laptop, I'm not going to give MS a pass on doing the same thing.
I am also concerned about the balance of the laptop. The majority of the weight is in the display, unlike traditional laptops. While the 13" exhibited this, I wonder if the issue a more apparent with the 15"
Aside from that, the 15" looks like an excellent laptop, I'm not concerned about the keyboard like I am with the MBP, though I do wonder about the need to detach the base from the display on the 15" model. I'm not sure I'll be doing that too much, if I were to take the plunge.
I am also concerned about the balance of the laptop. The majority of the weight is in the display, unlike traditional laptops. While the 13" exhibited this, I wonder if the issue a more apparent with the 15"
Aside from that, the 15" looks like an excellent laptop, I'm not concerned about the keyboard like I am with the MBP, though I do wonder about the need to detach the base from the display on the 15" model. I'm not sure I'll be doing that too much, if I were to take the plunge.
Yes, I find these new Wurface Books to be overpriced, here in the UK they have copied Apple and have priced them as $1 = £1...
This price is laughable when you can buy the new 17” Gigabyte x9 gaming laptop, with top end Intel latest quad core cup, DUAL GTX 1070’s with 8GB ram, 256nvm plus 1 TB etc etc for £99 more then the new 13.5” Surface Book 2 with a single 1050, not even the Ti GPU.....
They haven’t offered the 15” model in the UK yet..
I think their are too many laptops and tablets, including the Surface Pro, in the market place for Microsoft to justify its pricing.. I think the Studio is worth it as it offers something that was unique till this year.
But hey I’m sure it’s a very good laptop hybrid so I’m sure those who buy one will enjoy it
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Yes, I find these new Wurface Books to be overpriced, here in the UK they have copied Apple and have priced them as $1 = £1...
This price is laughable when you can buy the new 17” Gigabyte x9 gaming laptop, with top end Intel latest quad core cup, DUAL GTX 1070’s with 8GB ram, 256nvm plus 1 TB etc etc for £99 more then the new 13.5” Surface Book 2 with a single 1050, not even the Ti GPU.....
They haven’t offered the 15” model in the UK yet..
I think their are too many laptops and tablets, including the Surface Pro, in the market place for Microsoft to justify its pricing.. I think the Studio is worth it as it offers something that was unique till this year.
But hey I’m sure it’s a very good laptop hybrid so I’m sure those who buy one will enjoy it
I'm not aware of another competitive machine like this... removable display VS removable keyboard. So comparing it with a regular laptop on price isn't really legit.
HP have one out, Samsung and Asus have also made tablet PC’s, and what about the Surface Pro itself?
And you can compare it to any other laptop when it comes to hardware specs, these new Surface Books are overpriced IMO. Plenty will call the new MacBooks overpriced, yet even those offer more for your money then the Surface Book 2!
I got the opportunity to use both the 13"and 15" at Adobe MAX in Vegas this week. Very very impressive pieces of hardware. The 15" when used as a tablet, undocked from the base/keyboard, is lighter than an iPad. Powerful and innovative. Apple is losing the war for creative professionals. Sure the tbMBP looks better, but the Surface Book actually feels like an advancement in technology.
Also, a 13" laptop with a discrete GPU and quad core processor? Yes please. To be fair, quad core is 100% possible because of Coffee Lake and Apple will probably (hopefully, if they know what is good for them) update the 13" MBP with the 8th gen processors. However, discrete graphics I don't see happening given Apple's current obsession with AMD.
I love Apple. I really want to see them remain the platform of choice for creatives. So I truly hope there are some engineers and product people at Apple that are losing sleep for every day the Surface Book 2 exists and they don't have a viable answer to it. Their eGPU argument is moot at this point given what other laptop makers are releasing using Intel and Nvidia.
If there is more value in the MacBook Pro, I am not seeing it.
Also, a 13" laptop with a discrete GPU and quad core processor? Yes please. To be fair, quad core is 100% possible because of Coffee Lake and Apple will probably (hopefully, if they know what is good for them) update the 13" MBP with the 8th gen processors. However, discrete graphics I don't see happening given Apple's current obsession with AMD.
I love Apple. I really want to see them remain the platform of choice for creatives. So I truly hope there are some engineers and product people at Apple that are losing sleep for every day the Surface Book 2 exists and they don't have a viable answer to it. Their eGPU argument is moot at this point given what other laptop makers are releasing using Intel and Nvidia.
If there is more value in the MacBook Pro, I am not seeing it.
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I have the 1st Gen Surface Book and remain impressed by it, more so with the Surface Book 2, likely I, 'll pick up a 15" early mid 2018 allowing Microsoft and it's hardware providers iron out any kinks. eGPU's will likely remain to be niche and a reaction from Apple as they have painted themselves into a corner with the MBP due to the obsession with thinner resulting in only having around 35W thermal headroom for a dGPU. Personally I would prefer the performance with me, not left behind on the desk, which is achievable with NVidia
For me the cost is irrelevant as the hardware pays for itself in a very short period of time, equally I don't see the value in this iteration of the MBP. Seemingly more designed to impress than deliver. I can only speak from my own experience; I do see more professional users moving away from the Mac as the hardware/software no longer meets their needs, certainly many are similarly questioning the value given they rely on the same for their living.
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From the video, it looks like the LCD screen still wobbles. Any comment on this?
I heard that the previous generation has CPU/GPU throttling issues. Have they been fixed?
What is the size and weight of the external AC power adapter?
Given that several Windows laptops also have pen capability and touch screen, what are the differences between the Surface line's laptops and those from other manufacturers?
I heard that the previous generation has CPU/GPU throttling issues. Have they been fixed?
What is the size and weight of the external AC power adapter?
Given that several Windows laptops also have pen capability and touch screen, what are the differences between the Surface line's laptops and those from other manufacturers?
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I have not seen the Surface Book 2 yet. I have seen the first model and, while I loved it at first glance, now I have some reservations, which I think may still apply to this second version.
1. The screen, being detachable, kind of wobbles a little bit.
2. The screen format of 3:2 is very good for small screens, but starts to get annoying at larger ones. The 13.5-inch screen seems to be the limit, and I do not think this ratio would be good at 15-inch. I would say 3:2 for sizes 12-inch and lower; 16:10 for 12-14-inch, and 16:9 for sizes above 14-inch.
3. It is expensive for what it is.
4. Build quality is solid, but still not on par with the new MacBooks.
1. The screen, being detachable, kind of wobbles a little bit.
2. The screen format of 3:2 is very good for small screens, but starts to get annoying at larger ones. The 13.5-inch screen seems to be the limit, and I do not think this ratio would be good at 15-inch. I would say 3:2 for sizes 12-inch and lower; 16:10 for 12-14-inch, and 16:9 for sizes above 14-inch.
3. It is expensive for what it is.
4. Build quality is solid, but still not on par with the new MacBooks.
Tried both 13" and 15" versions. I am concerned with the loose hindge that when using it in public transportation. Even small vibrations caused the screens to change tilting angle.
So after some back and forth between Windows 10 and Apple, I realize I need a machine that I can use for everything (video conversion, writing, Office, drawing etc.), so a MS Surface product is probably in my future. Either the SB2 15" with a monitor, or if MS ever updates the Surface Studio, the 2nd gen SS with SSD, better internal graphics, pen latency etc..
I am very intrigued by the 15" SB2 because of my usage. It's a bit frustrating to jump from iMac to Acer laptop to iPP for all these things. As I use W10 (and have thankfully disabled the data mining elements), it is a lot more stable than Sierra. I am still learning things, but I am not as ambivalent toward Windows as I was even a few weeks ago. It is simply observing and getting over 20+ years of using Mac only at home.
My increasingly dislike of Apple's brass, price points, lack of QC, and especially not offering a product that does everything I need and want is making me rethink my stance. I gave Apple one more pricey chance this year, enough is enough already.
Yeah, the SB2 is pricey, but for my use, a higher end Surface product is the eventual way to go. I am glad I did not keep the Surface Laptop though as I now realize I need and want that 2-in-1 and/or drawing capability in one machine.
@Queen6 looking forward to your eventual review of the SB2 15".
I am very intrigued by the 15" SB2 because of my usage. It's a bit frustrating to jump from iMac to Acer laptop to iPP for all these things. As I use W10 (and have thankfully disabled the data mining elements), it is a lot more stable than Sierra. I am still learning things, but I am not as ambivalent toward Windows as I was even a few weeks ago. It is simply observing and getting over 20+ years of using Mac only at home.
My increasingly dislike of Apple's brass, price points, lack of QC, and especially not offering a product that does everything I need and want is making me rethink my stance. I gave Apple one more pricey chance this year, enough is enough already.
Yeah, the SB2 is pricey, but for my use, a higher end Surface product is the eventual way to go. I am glad I did not keep the Surface Laptop though as I now realize I need and want that 2-in-1 and/or drawing capability in one machine.
@Queen6 looking forward to your eventual review of the SB2 15".
Solid reviews so far, and with the performance of my 1st Gen 13" I'm still very inclined to give the 15" surface Book 2 a shot, nor expecting disappointment. Likely need to wait a spell until we see the release of SB-2 in Asia where I'm currently based, equally not a big deal as this allows Microsoft and it's manufacturing partners to iron out the production bugs.
W10 remains to be rock solid, looking at potentially using a Linux distro for my ultraportable. Heavy lifter will remain W10, with Apple firmly out the running due to it's predominantly consumer focus, diminished stability of the desktop OS and current poor QC/design.
As long as one is not intimidated by the 15" Surface Book 2's price point this a very solid proposition, especially for those that can lever the features and monetise the output. Surface Book 2 isn't perfect, equally magnitudes over some. Balancing the majority of it's feature beautifully as package as a whole. I would have like to have seen the retention of the mDP port and the inclusion of TB-3 alongside USB C, although I feel not overly compromised given the Surface Connector and availability of a proprietary dock.
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W10 remains to be rock solid, looking at potentially using a Linux distro for my ultraportable. Heavy lifter will remain W10, with Apple firmly out the running due to it's predominantly consumer focus, diminished stability of the desktop OS and current poor QC/design.
As long as one is not intimidated by the 15" Surface Book 2's price point this a very solid proposition, especially for those that can lever the features and monetise the output. Surface Book 2 isn't perfect, equally magnitudes over some. Balancing the majority of it's feature beautifully as package as a whole. I would have like to have seen the retention of the mDP port and the inclusion of TB-3 alongside USB C, although I feel not overly compromised given the Surface Connector and availability of a proprietary dock.
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Anybody knows if the RAM and SSD are user upgradable?
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Do you know why there is a few seconds pause when switching between portrait and landscape mode of the tablet/screen?
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Do you know why there is a few seconds pause when switching between portrait and landscape mode of the tablet/screen?
I also found that although the 15" screen is very nice and light, it is a bit difficult to hold it with one hand and type with the other while standing. I also tried to hold and type it as if it were a large phone. Any technique to make typing on such large tablet easy?
I bought a Surface Book 2 yesterday. I'm officially going with an Apple ecosystem on some of the product categories while ditching Apple for productivity. I've got an iPhone 8, iPad Pro 9.7 inch, and an Apple TV 4K. All work great but Apple has done an absolutely terrible job of positioning their computers in the past few years. I'm happy to return to Windows and don't think I'll miss the Apple OS. I'm gonna sell my Macbook Air (2012) and call it day. I can finally use Excel the right way! This is really a fantastic example at brand positioning and how Apple dropped the ball on innovative and unique features for their own computer line. Unless you just have to have the freaking touch bar. I don't.
Unfortunately, as much as I wanted to love my SB2, I had to return it as it was bigger than I expected. Will try 13” soon
Do you find the hindge a bit loose and this causes the screen shaking easily?
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Hope you enjoy the new machine. What do you mean by the above statement?
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Hope you enjoy the new machine. What do you mean by the above statement?