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Discussion in 'Alternatives to Mac Hardware' started by Macmamamac, Oct 7, 2016.

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    Well ... I have a Windows iMac. But it also runs OS X!. I bet Windows version won't run OS X!
     
  4. Zellio macrumors 65816

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    It's not like Apple is hard to compete with. All they know how to do today is make the screen higher resolution and shrink the size of the device
     
  5. richinaus macrumors 6502a

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    exactly. It is going to be an interesting month to see what 'innovations' Apple and Microsoft come out with.

    I thought I would never say it, but if they [MSFT] come out with something compelling, I may jump ship. Having followed the 'waiting for skylake' thread, it has become apparent to me over the last day or so that i dont actually care about Skylake or Kabylake that much [nice to have, not essential], but would like to see something from Apple like the Hololens.

    October will be the month I see where my computing future lies. I am hoping Apple can innovate itself out of the slump in basic upgrades / reduced size & weight but based on the information we have so far it isn't looking like it [none of the rumours are innovative, and the OLED strip useful at best].
     
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    never will go back to a windows machine OS X is far superior.
     
  7. AppleAlexander macrumors newbie

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    Who in there right mind would return to insecure virus laden windows after using MacOS
     
  8. richinaus macrumors 6502a

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    I have used it professionally for over 20 years now and have not had any virus issues, but the same also applies to my macs.
    In the end of the day I have to go with the OS and system which is most productive for my business, and if Apple don't show their solid commitment to their hardware this time round, it makes it difficult to commit to it. Several apps I use are windows only and I use them within parallels which is not the best solution [forget bootcamp, as it is too much hassle].

    It would appear to me that Microsoft are on the right foot, have good leadership and are doing things right and in a transparent manner. It is the transparency or lack of it with Apple that makes it difficult not to consider alternatives.

    The new AIO Surface may be a piece of junk, and we will just have to wait and see what comes up by the end of this month.

    I have a feeling that October is going to be important for both brands, and could be a turning point.
     
  9. EJ Lala macrumors member

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    I can't wait to see what they come up with, iMac like specs with a Nvidia 1070 or better would probably force me to buy one. A MAN CAN DREAM :)
     
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    It means that Microsoft is blissfully unoriginal. What else is new
     
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    Seems Apple is guilty of that as well;)
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    All kidding aside, I will say that without seeing it yet, that I don't think it will rival the iMac but I have a SurfaceBook laptop that is great.
     
  12. varian55zx macrumors 6502a

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    Say what you want, Apple has always been the trendsetter.

    I find it a bit funny he said this because if I were him I'd be much more put off from Microsoft's/PC company's constant attempts at copying OS X / Mac.

    I understand he had to draw inspiration from places just like anyone.

    I love the way he stood behind his products, don't see that in almost all other instances.
     
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    You realize that Jobs literally stole the whole idea, design and implementation of a graphical computer, using a mouse from Xerox right. Granted Xerox didn't know what they had, but Jobs toured their Palo Alto labs, saw the computer and a little while later Apple rolled out the Lisa and then the Macintosh

    I'm not against Apple, and I agree Jobs was a visionary, yet Apple has it share of copying a competitor or in some cases from software developers
     
  14. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    Looking forward to seeing the design. Their Surface Book was very nice indeed.
     
  15. varian55zx macrumors 6502a

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    Well, he said it himself, he's all for copying!

    I don't view Jobs as a demigod I merely don't deny the significance of iPhone, iPod, and Mac.

    Jobs was not a saint but I would say he undoubtedly played a role in shaping technology, you'd have to agree with me on that.

    Just like any businessperson he has committed his fair share of sins, maybe more than any of us know.
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    Sure, probably more than I know.

    One thing I do know is going to the HP site seems similar to the experience of walking into a cheap chinese knockoff store of Apple products.

    In all fairness there is an argument that Steve deserves a certain level of praise for seeing the opportunities that he did, whether or not he was stealing someone's idea.
     
  16. Lankyman macrumors 68000

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    Not sure I would any longer see that as a negative. W10 is certainly as good as MacOS.
     
  17. varian55zx macrumors 6502a

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    I can tell you I certainly don't agree.

    I'm sorry that I don't see much difference between Windows 10 and 7.

    Is it just because it's black?

    I fail to see why it is seemingly adored by so many people.
     
  18. Lankyman macrumors 68000

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    Could you define those superior features please. As I currently use both systems your reply has left me puzzled.
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    It has about as much in common with Windows 7 as steak has to ice-cream. You really need to read up on this OS.
     
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    Windows 10 is solid, fast and stable. Its a great OS that definitely give OS X a run for its money. In some ways it exceeds OS X.
     
  20. varian55zx macrumors 6502a

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    In holding to my partialness to open mindedness, I am open to this idea.

    But I don't see it.

    OS X has simple advantages like the command key. It is in a place that is convenient to reach, I use keyboard shortcuts frequently and I hate reaching to control in Windows. I despise it strongly in comparison to using command.

    I hate that you have to maximize everything to full screen in Windows. I like using a smaller window and OS X can give me that experience. It doesn't work in Windows.

    OS X has expose, system preferences instead of control panel, everything is better.

    Everything in nearly every category is just better and provides a better overall experience.

    Not to mention the looks, it just looks so much better it isn't even a remote comparison.

    If you give me a category, I find OS X is superior. The calculator is superior, for goodness sake.

    The calendar. Finder vs whatever Windows has going on. For me I don't see any reasonable comparison. Maybe if you're a "tinkerer", as they're called, you'll go for Windows 7 or 10.
     
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    Windows has the windows key, that gives you plenty of short cuts that allow you to do a multitiude of tasks.


    Most people actually like how it maximises and it took how many decades for Apple to finally give us a way to maximize a window fully?

    I never use expose, so I cannot comment on its usefulness, but the control panel and system preferences are identical. Please detail why you think the system preferences are superior to the control panel?

    That's an easy one. Window's file manager. It easily allows me to access every directory, I can easily navigate and manage the directory/file structure. OS X's Finder is clunky at best and has spawned a cottage industry of file manager apps, trying to increase the functionality.

    Windows Hello is another great feature, I don't need a keyboard or a watch to unlock my computer. It scans my face and unlocks.

    How is this superior?
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    Please provide some details of what the this calculator does better then the windows version?
     
  22. Matty_TypeR macrumors newbie

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    windows 10 is better than Sierra and no where near as buggy. and as apple have been so focused on IOS and its tabs and phones and that crap watch idea. Microsoft is in the driving seat with win 10. its a solid OS and the die hard Mac OSX fans should not just dismiss it with old reteric of OSX is better.

    if Microsoft produce a 27" 4k screen with Nvidia GFX at its heart with a i7 CPU and decent hardware why would you want to stick to a iMac that is outa date before its released. with the talk of AMD cpu and GFX integration on the iMac's of the future I can see it as being a real freaky fan user base. Apple has dropped the ball, even the S7 edge is much better than a bigger faster iPhone. sand boxed apple need to get connectivity and upgrade possibilities back to desktop Mac machines.
     
  23. Taz Mangus macrumors 68040

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    Yea good luck with that. I have seen this before from other companies and they all are not elegant. They are all clunky looking and feel cheap and rushed in execution. Microsoft is no different in their execution. The current iMac still looks and feels modern and well executed. I have been purchasing iMacs since the days of the Daisy and they all were great computers. Coming from a 2011 to a 2015 iMac Apple managed to keep the computer looking fresh. It is one of those timeless looking designs. If I had a wish list for the next iMac it would be to get rid of the chin and make it look more like the stand alone monitor, maybe more edge to edge screen and glass.
     
  24. varian55zx, Oct 8, 2016
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    I use the Windows key sometimes, namely for the windows key + 1, 2, 3 etc shortcut which lets you switch between icons in the Windows dock, or whatever they named it. granted that is a convenient shortcut that is useful for work but at home I'm not missing it.

    What you aren't mentioning is that control is used in many more shortcuts, and it is out of the way. You are forced to arch your hand in an uncomfortable position compared to the use of command.

    I know many do, but I don't. As I have said before I have been using Mac for the majority of my time with computers and traditionally we used to have the + icon which merely fit the window to the screen. I find simply making everything full screen as somewhat crude and prefer fitting windows to the screen, allowing for more efficient use of the screen. I wish the + sign was still possible without having to hold another button to get it.

    I have found the search in Windows 7 to be ineffective, and unusable. It never finds what I want or nearly anything for that matter. Maybe this has been improved in 10.

    I prefer spotlight and a simple key shortcut of cmd + space will let you access anything instantly if you have a fast SSD, and I have found that it actually pulls up what I'm looking for much better than Windows 7 which I use on a work computer.

    I can enter my password in a tiny fraction of a second and never thought to wish for alternative options for unlocking a computer.

    I used to use an old HP laptop that had a fingerprint reading feature and it didn't work.

    Mind you it also has a scientific view. Not sure if Windows caught onto that or not.

    It looks better which I think we can all agree on (contrary to what many will say, looks do matter). And I prefer the animation in OS X when clicking one of the buttons. I use it fairly frequently.

    I may be nitpicking with the calculator but I will hold true to it.

    Mac has hot corners, textedit instead of objectively inferior notepad, Preview which is superior to windows picture viewer (preview allows you to edit), a vastly superior screen shot feature. The list of advantages is truly bottomless.

    Maybe Windows 10 caught on and copied a number of these, I don't have as much experience with it as I do with 7, however I have used it on multiple occasions, and was not blown away like most of the members here are.
     
  25. Lankyman macrumors 68000

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    I really do think you have embarrassed yourself with your post. It's evident from the response that you clearly don't know the W10 environment or how to use it.

    By your own admission you are used to working only one way i.e. OS X. If you had been using Windows for the same amount of time then you would say similar things about OS X. It's simply a matter of familiarity.
     

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