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No 4G/LTE is a deal-breaker for most people that buy phones unsubsidized.

Seriously, I've had 50Mb/s 4G/LTE since December 2009. And it's STILL not in a new Apple phone. :rolleyes:

That's why Apple will always lose global market share to Samsung/HTC. In addition to the previous no-unsubsidized crap from previous iPhones.


How many carriers around the world are using LTE right now? A few at best. How widespread is LTE in the US... It's in a few cities on Verizion.

Everyone in northern Europe. Like I said, we've had in for years. Given that Europe has 600 million people, I'd say that between 50 and 100 million have reliable 4g as an option.
 
It's not a waste of time and it's not a survey of people who own smartphones. It's a fair unbiased sample of people who are buying stuff online. Now you may argue that people who buy stuff online aren't a fair sample... fine. But you're flat out lying if you claim that only smartphone owners were surveyed.

Do you have information the rest of us do not?

The press release doesn't cite statistics indicative of a scientific survey, such as margin of error, sample questions, format, or methodology. It doesn't state how respondents were chosen: if they were looking at smartphones, if all PriceGrabber customers were given the survey, if they went and started calling people in East Peoria, or what. The survey partners both have an interest in driving consumer purchasing interest.

IMHO, "fair unbiased" here is about like Fox News's claim of the same. Except, even PriceGrabber isn't claiming that; that's just you: random forum respondent Juan007.
 
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American's buy free stuff?

Wierdos

Yes. When you get a "free" phone at your carrier, you are buying the phone at full cost, and the carrier is refunding you (instantly) the full cost as a reward for signing a two-year, multi-thousand-dollar contract. You still pay taxes on the full retail price, and just because you aren't directly paying for that phone, trading your ability to use a different carrier for the next two years for that definitely fits the definition of buying/selling.
 
35% may say that they will buy an Apple iPhone 5, but NO. Won't happen.

Will the iP V :cool: be a big seller, duh. But this number is ridiculous.
 
That's where statistics get you.

35% of consumers?

Do we actually know how many consumers there are in the us?

280 million? Depends on how you count it. And who you ask.

Statistics can provide you with any result you'd like to get out of it.

Do not ever trust statistics you haven't manipulated yourself.
 
I'm looking forward to buying whatever the next iPhone is to replace my aging 3G. I don't care about the specs, it's time to upgrade and the iPhone 4 is already " old", so I'm patiently waiting....
 
The strong consumer interest comes even as Apple has to yet announce or even acknowledge such a device and with rumors offering conflicting information on what users can expect from the next-generation iPhone.

Damn.

What does this tell consumers about Apple as a company? What about its competitors?
 
If I had need of a cell phone to rely on, this'd be the one to get. Sadly for Apple, I just don't need a cell phone or use one at this time. I'll get the iPT they release in the fall.
 
I just surveyed myself and 100% of me as a U.S consumer will not be buying an iPhone 5.

Next I'm going to survey myself on weather or not I should eat chicken or beef tonight, half of me is leaning towards chicken.

My survey is just as accurate as theirs, but more so, as I can vouch for it personally and I know who I surveyed ---- ME.

I don't personally use Pricegrabber and I can say the same for people I know. As usual, another inconclusive survey in the name of propaganda.
 
I just surveyed myself and 100% of me as a U.S consumer will not be buying an iPhone 5.

Next I'm going to survey myself on weather or not I should eat chicken or beef tonight, half of me is leaning towards chicken.

My survey is just as accurate as theirs, but more so, as I can vouch for it personally and I know who I surveyed ---- ME.

I don't personally use Pricegrabber and I can say the same for people I know. As usual, another inconclusive survey in the name of propaganda.

No. It's an actual survey, vs. your anecdote.

What *actually* sucks about the survey is that you don't like the results because you're sick of seeing Apple get so much credit and positive mindshare. So unfair! :(

We'll note that on behalf of the competition (and whoever your next non-Apple phone will be with), you're officially displeased.
 
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No. It's an actual survey, vs. your anecdote.

What *actually* sucks about the survey is that you don't like the results because you're sick of seeing Apple get so much credit and positive mindshare. So unfair! Image

We'll note that on behalf of the competition (and whoever your next non-Apple
phone will be with), you're officially displeased.

When the article states "35% of U.S. Consumers Planning to Purchase Next-Generation iPhone" and I know for a fact that neither my wife or I -- U.S. consumers -- were part of this survey, I know this is nothing more than bull.

If the headline stated 35% of those surveyed at Pricegrabber ... I'd have no issue. You got it?

What does displease me though, if you must know, since you just assumed -- and completely missed the mark. And what I'm really sick of -- as I'm a long time Apple guy -- are the Apple apologist, the blind zealots. Primarily the guys that prior to the iPhone couldn't give a rat's arse about Apple. These guys have really been bringing down Apple's good name and because of their lack of history with the company, really don't know when they're getting screwed out of something, so they naively cheer it on and attack anyone that's against it.

And you think this survey sucks? I didn't even go that far, I just called it exactly for it was, inconclusive propaganda.
 
When the article states "35% of U.S. Consumers Planning to Purchase Next-Generation iPhone" and I know for a fact that neither my wife or I -- U.S. consumers -- were part of this survey, I know this is nothing more than bull.

It helps to read the actual survey.

http://www.pricegrabber.com/about.php/about=press/article=187

Thirty-five percent of consumers will purchase iPhone® 5 following its release, according to PriceGrabber® survey . . .

PriceGrabber®, a part of Experian, just released the results of its iPhone 5 survey . . .

Our survey data . . .

About PriceGrabber.com®
PriceGrabber, a part of Experian, is a leading online shopping site with more than 23 million unique shoppers monthly. At PriceGrabber, savvy shoppers can instantly find and compare millions of unique products and services across 25 categories with more than 11,000 merchants. Compare products side by side to find the right retailers at the best prices within popular categories, such as Digital Cameras, Electronics, Computers, Clothing, Books, TVs and more. PriceGrabber provides shoppers with the right product from the right merchant at the best price anytime, anywhere. Visit us at http://www.pricegrabber.com.

About Experian
Experian® is the leading global information services company, providing data and analytical tools to clients in more than 80 countries. The company helps businesses to manage credit risk, prevent fraud, target marketing offers and automate decision making. Experian also helps individuals to check their credit report and credit score, and protect against identity theft.

Experian plc is listed on the London Stock Exchange (EXPN) and is a constituent of the FTSE 100 index. Total revenue for the year ended 31 March 2011 was US$4.2 billion. Experian employs approximately 15,000 people in 41 countries and has its corporate headquarters in Dublin, Ireland, with operational headquarters in Nottingham, UK; California, US; and São Paulo, Brazil.


If the headline stated 35% of those surveyed at Pricegrabber ... I'd have no issue. You got it?

So you have no issue. Good to hear.
What does displease me though, if you must know, since you just assumed -- and completely missed the mark. And what I'm really sick of -- as I'm a long time Apple guy -- are the Apple apologist, the blind zealots.

Duly noted.
Primarily the guys that prior to the iPhone couldn't give a rat's arse about Apple. These guys have really been bringing down Apple's good name
Apple's name has never been better. Don't worry, "those guys" haven't done much damage. The more the merrier, even if they're brought on board by the iPhone.

and because of their lack of history with the company, really don't know when they're getting screwed out of something, so they naively cheer it on and attack anyone that's against it.

Maybe they have a point. It's rather hard to fault Apple with a whole lot these days. They (demonstrably) know their business, and they get demonstrable results. Consistently.
And you think this survey sucks?

No, I think it's just fine.
I didn't even go that far, I just called it exactly for it was, inconclusive propaganda.

For your enjoyment and edification:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/about.php/about=press/article=187


Do not ever trust statistics you haven't manipulated yourself.

I doubt that part's in the program handbook.

http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/

http://www.stat.harvard.edu/

Throwing out the entire concept of stats and surveys because they're open to misuse (or because you don't quite understand them) is like ignoring atoms because they can be split to make bombs.
 
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I don't understand why it's not 100%. I thought everyone in the world wanted an iPhone. What's up with that?
 
How did you make the leap from 35% of people who visited pricegrabber and agreed to take a survey said they would buy an iPhone 5 to 35% of American consumers will buy the iPhone 5 sight unseen?

35% of American consumers will buy the iPhone 5 sight unseen, OR SEEN?!

puh-lease.
 
Over 200 million iOS users, not counting Mac users. Both set to grow at an incredible rate over the next few years. That's a helluva lot of "fanboys." Have you even seen Apple's recent numbers? Staggering.

Have you seen RIM's recent numbers? They're staggering too. ;)
 
That number would be higher if this bull crap in Washington would go away.
 
Throwing out the entire concept of stats and surveys because they're open to misuse (or because you don't quite understand them) is like ignoring atoms because they can be split to make bombs.

I know you're proud of graduating from University of Toronto, but you're missing the point. It's physically impossible for 35% of US consumers to buy an iPhone, because 25% of US consumers is the entire smartphone market. Until you can refute that, I fail to see how you can hold up this "survey" as valid at all. Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Has-Only-25-Smartphone-twst-2117462957.html?x=0&.v=1

Yes, I'm aware that it says smartphone adoption will increase to 75% over the next 5 years. You might be oblivious, but I seriously doubt all 25% current users and an additional 10% will suddenly all switch to Apple and shell out the discretionary income in the middle of a recession to get a new phone.

Additionally, for 35% of even smartphone users to buy an iPhone 5 would require every iPhone user to buy a new one and more: http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation...tes-US-smartphone-market.-Don-t-ask-about-RIM.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/us-smartphone-os-share-photo-153248083.html

Might want to do some research next time before running your mouth.
 
I know you're proud of graduating from University of Toronto, but you're missing the point. It's physically impossible for 35% of US consumers to buy an iPhone, because 25% of US consumers is the entire smartphone market. Until you can refute that, I fail to see how you can hold up this "survey" as valid at all. Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Has-Only-25-Smartphone-twst-2117462957.html?x=0&.v=1

Yes, I'm aware that it says smartphone adoption will increase to 75% over the next 5 years. You might be oblivious, but I seriously doubt all 25% current users and an additional 10% will suddenly all switch to Apple and shell out the discretionary income in the middle of a recession to get a new phone.

Additionally, for 35% of even smartphone users to buy an iPhone 5 would require every iPhone user to buy a new one and more: http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation...tes-US-smartphone-market.-Don-t-ask-about-RIM.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/us-smartphone-os-share-photo-153248083.html

Might want to do some research next time before running your mouth.

It helps to keep it to 35% of the total respondents to the particular survey. As intended by the survey. Did you actually read it? What *other* 35% do you think they actually meant, other than the actual respondents to the survey?

There is no additional research that needs to be done.
 
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It was an online survey about iPhone. I doubt many non-iPhone owners would care about such survey which tells us that only 35% of current iPhone owners are planning to upgrade to iPhone 5. Sounds about right, is not it?
 
How's that working out for you, running all over the world grabbing 50 mb/s downloads on every street corner? 4g/LTE is still a niche feature, when it came out is completely irrelevant.

Yeah, pretty much anywhere but the United States. In Europe/Asia, every reasonably sized city has 4G service. I was able to use it in Vietnam and South Africa.

In fact, in South America, I had much better service, especially in Brazil, than I did while traveling through New England last month.

Definitely not a niche feature on a global scale.

I just can't believe that the iP5 won't be able to do it.
 
It is most definitely true that many people turn to Android because the phone is free. Android hands have become SOOOOO commoditized. It's a sad state of fragmentation and ******* hardware. It's not at all an open system, it's a feudal system.

Here in Germany "free" (subsidized, only 1€ up front) iPhones (yes, even iPhone 4) have been around for some time. But many people still prefer android devices.

Christian
 
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