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This is why this election is so important. This could go to the US Supreme Court and whoever is president on January 21st will most likely get to choose at least one seat. I for one don't want trump to be that person. He's done enough damage.

You are really stretching, considering this decision was made in New Jersey with judges likely picked by Democrats.

Kamala Harris is FAR harsher on criminals and abusing civil liberties than Trump could ever dream of being.
 
Law and Order ;-)
How exactly are they going to enforce that in a free country?

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Not a chance. How exactly are they going to enforce that? Forcing them to provide biological data is one thing, but forcing them to speak something they've remembered? You can't force someone to talk, period.


THIS is exactly what the defendant SHOULD have argued. But they claimed a 5th Amendment violation and your point is a FIRST Amendment issue. You can't be forced to provide a document or speech as that would be compelled speech and THAT would be the violation.
 
It definitely is. Our 4th amendment rights have been whittled down to nearly nothing over the years under leadership from both parties. The Snowden leaks should have been enough of a wake up call.
Human nature: disregard and dodge issues until it is way too late and damage is irreversible.
Up until the system is damaged beyond repair I don‘t see any hope of change happening.
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Law and Order ;-)
How exactly are they going to enforce that in a free country?

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Slowly convert a free country into another China. That’s how they enforce it.
 
I don't know about you but my phone is MUCH less valuable than the data within it.

What data can possibly reside on your phone to make it worth more than $500 (or whatever a used smartphone could be worth)?
All "data" created on the phone is automatically uploaded to one cloud or the other so it should not be that.
If you're thinking banking details, I really hope that it's not in the clear if someone gets into your phone. All my banking details are secured by external "BankID" with 10-digit passcode, my phone alone gives no access to any valuables (banking, stocks, nothing).
Identity theft? There's nothing on my phone that can't easily be accessed directly via online databases, nobody would go through the trouble of trying to steal my phone to get that data.
 
And now, if they can throw you in jail for contempt of court for refusing to unlock a phone, they can claim any phone is yours and your failure to unlock it is pretext to jail you indefinitely without even having to charge you with a crime.
 
Oh heck nooo! Apple do something about this please!
All Apple needs to do is have a passphrase that automatically initiates a factory restore. Use that and watch the TLA's squirm.
A sort of 'dead mans handle'.
Besides... don't all the US Law Enforcment Businesses have access to Cellbrite kit by now? Using that negates the need for a user to do anything.
 
Curious how are they going to force the individual? Guantanamo Bay transfer? Torture? Waterboarding? LOL
 
So they’re gonna start torturing people now?

And what if someone experienced head trauma and honestly can’t remember?
 
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I thought in America, you had the right to...remain silent?!

Anyone, 99.99999999% of people have nothing to hide from gov. its not like they are planning to nuke the white house. Most people are looking for privacy from the masses and keep their personal life... personal. Unless you have nudes, I bet there is nothing in your digital device that you mind the gov. looking at.
 
That would be destruction of evidence (which, generally, is itself a crime), and the court may very well end up assuming that you did so in order to hide exactly the incriminating evidence the prosecutor is after.

Much better to forget your passcode. (Don't just "forget", though. That would be illegal as well.) Keeping in mind, of course, that the court may have no problem holding you indefinitely for contempt if they don't actually believe you.

Funny how the court doesn't actually have to prove someone committed a crime in order to hold them indefinitely.
I definitely see your point but they’d have a hard time proving someone didn’t get genuinely confused under pressure and accidentally gave the “wipe” passcode. I’d say that’s on par with your suggestion of “forgetting” your passcode in the first place. If you can’t be charged for forgetting your passcode, then you can’t be charged with accidentally giving the wrong one which leads to destruction of data.
 
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You are really stretching, considering this decision was made in New Jersey with judges likely picked by Democrats.

Kamala Harris is FAR harsher on criminals and abusing civil liberties than Trump could ever dream of being.
Well, you have to know that's not true... unless you are considering all trumps buddies he has pardoned or just had Barr set free. In that case, he has been easier on criminals.
 
You need a keyserver somewhere on the net. (accessed through TOR.) You give them the revocation code, problem solved.
 
Technically it doesn't. Your diary, your photo album, etc are not protected by the Fifth, otherwise no documentary evidence would be admissible in court. The phone is nothing else than a repository of documentary evidence (similar to your hard drive), therefore it's not protected by the Fifth - provided a warrant.
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I mean... are you for McCarthyism?
If you have to tell someone the password then it violate free speech. So bio-unlock is okay but sayings the password is not.
 
What’s the legal difference between:
“Police! Open the door!”
and
“Police! Open you phone” ?

Will it make a difference if there’s a warrant?
If you do not unlock your door then they kick it in. If you don't unlock your phone then they hope the hackers can unlock it.
 
Andrews' attorney, Charles Sciarra, called the court's ruling a "major defeat to the United States Constitution."

Funny thing is, if this corrupt former sheriff were still on the job, he would be arguing that suspects should be required to reveal their passwords. So he got what he deserved. Are FBI agents and congress people paying attention?
 
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Except for the second amendment of course.
You can't pick and choose the ones you like or dislike. Well you can but it doesn't end well. People have traded so much of their freedom for "security" but in reality got nothing. I've lived in communist countries and the problem is most people in the USA wouldn't recognize it. It's not this terrible thing where you are beaten every day and only eat bread. You live your life just like you do in the good ole US of A. The government is just a bit different and you don't have certain freedoms.
 
I thought in America, you had the right to...remain silent?!

Anyone, 99.99999999% of people have nothing to hide from gov. its not like they are planning to nuke the white house. Most people are looking for privacy from the masses and keep their personal life... personal. Unless you have nudes, I bet there is nothing in your digital device that you mind the gov. looking at.

You don't get to decide what is relevant or not, what is incriminating or not. And of course, there is no such thing as police misconduct.
 
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The BEST line from that movie is found only in the book about the movie actually. ;) Dr. McCoy and the others are escaping Spacedock aboard the damaged Enterprise and they are watching the Excelsior power up to pursue them and Dr. McCoy says - "MY GOD! They're gaining on us just sitting there!"

Lol
 
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Well, you have to know that's not true... unless you are considering all trumps buddies he has pardoned or just had Barr set free. In that case, he has been easier on criminals.

Trump hasn’t pardoned even 5% of what Obama did. But nice attempt anyway.
 
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