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Sun Baked

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The comedy that can be found in the US legal system...
Court: Man Can Sue Over Surprise Pregnancy

CHICAGO (AP) - An appeals court said a man can press a claim for emotional distress after learning a former lover had used his sperm to have a baby. But he can't claim theft, the ruling said, because the sperm were hers to keep.

The ruling Wednesday by the Illinois Appellate Court sends Dr. Richard O. Phillips' distress case back to trial court.
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Phillips accuses Dr. Sharon Irons of a "calculated, profound personal betrayal" after their affair six years ago, saying she secretly kept semen after they had oral sex, then used it to get pregnant.

He said he didn't find out about the child for nearly two years, when Irons filed a paternity lawsuit. DNA tests confirmed Phillips was the father, the court papers state...

[delete to end -- though it gets more strange]
 

clayj

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Certainly, the woman's deceitful "re-use" of his genetic material to cause a pregnancy where none should have been possible should let him off the hook for involuntary child support. If he wants to pay, that should be his choice...

I can see it now, though... after committing that particular act, the man offers the woman a glass of water and says, drink this... almost like making sure a mental patient has taken their meds.

EDIT: I just thought of another, albeit fictional, example of this... a similar thing occurs in the movie Presumed Innocent, although the woman uses reused genetic material to frame someone for murder.
 

blackfox

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Hahahaha...that is so strange. I have to wonder if this woman wanted a child, why didn't she go about it in a more "traditional" way? There are a number of ways to potentially take advantage of men's uh, stupidity in such avenues...

While strange, I think it is the height of manipulation on the woman's part to file a paternity suit. Poor kid. A mother who used her as a means-to-and-end, and a father who got railroaded into it unaware and unwilling. Damn.
 

chanoc

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Leykis 101 Rule 28

This came from listener comments, so here it is. Keep a bottle of hot sauce Every place you have sex (Bathroom, bedroom etc.) After you use the condom, put a few drops into the used condom and throw it away. This results in the "Burning of the cooch" if the bitch tries to actually use the contents. :p
 

wdlove

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The woman must have taken the sperm to a bank for preservation. The physician should have investigated if the father gave consent. If this isn't policy it should be, no artificial insemination should be done with consent of the father and mother.

In this case I feel sorry for the child, doesn't sound like he's truly loved. Just an object of manipulation. A very hard case, but the child shouldn't suffer for this.
 

killuminati

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chanoc said:
This came from listener comments, so here it is. Keep a bottle of hot sauce Every place you have sex (Bathroom, bedroom etc.) After you use the condom, put a few drops into the used condom and throw it away. This results in the "Burning of the cooch" if the bitch tries to actually use the contents. :p
Hahahaha :D

But I really feel bad for the kid. How horrible this must be for him/her :(
 

Leareth

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wdlove said:
The woman must have taken the sperm to a bank for preservation. The physician should have investigated if the father gave consent. If this isn't policy it should be, no artificial insemination should be done with consent of the father and mother.
Not necessarily involved a physician, spermies lose their tails in 4-8 hours after ejaculation so she had plenty of time and a turkey baster would do the job of getting it up where it needs to go, so would her dumping the "liquid" into her vagina and raising her pelvis.

I have to agree this is a ugly case of a woman abusing the judicial system
and the man involved. If the man want no paternity rights he should not be obligated to pay child benefits.
 

tech4all

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I thought from the title this thread was about spitting or swallowing tooth paste. I guess I was wrong.

Leareth said:
Not necessarily involved a physician, spermies lose their tails in 4-8 hours after ejaculation so she had plenty of time and a turkey baster would do the job of getting it up where it needs to go, so would her dumping the "liquid" into her vagina and raising her pelvis.
Is that really practical? A woman can have oral sex, save the "liquid" (gosh thats gross!), and put the "liquid" in her "area", and raise her pelvis so it flows to the "spot"? Like said above in a post, if she would have had sex the "normal" way, it would have been already instead of going through this process.

Why is that these type of threads are getting more common here. I have read two stories of women cutting of a man's "family jewel" with her own hand, then one where a woman slices a guys thing off, now this?! :eek: Oh yeah, and how about those incidents is killed in order for someone to steal the fetus/baby. :eek: :eek:
 

KingSleaze

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Gargle?

I would suspect that his argument should then devolve into anticipated results. ie. he couldn't realistically anticipate progeny after engaging in oral copulation, therefore when an unrealistic situation arose (the child) he shouldn't be penalized for the outcome. (pun not intended) She brought the situation upon herself, she should have to live with the results of her actions.

Whatever became of personal responsibility?
 

Moxiemike

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KingSleaze said:
I would suspect that his argument should then devolve into anticipated results. ie. he couldn't realistically anticipate progeny after engaging in oral copulation, therefore when an unrealistic situation arose (the child) he shouldn't be penalized for the outcome. (pun not intended) She brought the situation upon herself, she should have to live with the results of her actions.

Whatever became of personal responsibility?
Perfectly put. It's really looking like there's a good case for celibacy these days. I know a friend who's girlfriend of 8mos at the time, asked for some "rougher" play, and when it was all done, she cried rape putting him in a world of trouble for a spell. Kinda ruined his rep a lil' bit. Lame.

The whole family jewel cutting. badness too. And the mom's who drown their kids and whatnot from "postpartum depression"

It's almost like you're juggling dynamite these days in relationships. And for whatever reason, gays are seen as "subhumans" with a lack of civil rights. I feel for the GLBT community, how ridiculous heterosexuals must appear with this over the top, movie like drama. While i'm sure there's much drama in the GLBT world, it's gotta be discomforting knowing that people like this have all the freedoms of relationships, marriage, child-rearing, all of the benefits our country offers, and they're denied that, whether they're emotionally stable or not.

Weird world we're living in. Well, i'm off to see my GF. :) She's promised me some oral sex.....I have a nice little baggie for her to dispose of all of the stuff in, as well as the proper release forms. I thank my attorneys at Dewey Cheatham and Howe for that paperwork.

That's where we're gonna end up, it's beginning to look like..... :(

m
 

iGav

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"There's a 5-year-old child here," Mirabelli said. "Imagine how a child feels when your father says he feels emotionally damaged by your birth."
And how will the child feel when they're told that their mother is the type of women who had an affair, sucked off a man, kept the sperm and impregnated herself later on, only then to try and milk (pardon the pun) the 'donator' for $800 a month. :eek:

Poor kid... :rolleyes:
 

Moxiemike

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iGav said:
And how will the child feel when they're told that their mother is the type of women who had an affair, sucked off a man, kept the sperm and impregnated herself later on, only then to try and milk (pardon the pun) the 'donator' for $800 a month. :eek:

Poor kid... :rolleyes:
A case for Child & Youth Services to maybe pull the kid. I HIGHLY doubt this woman's sanity, so I don't think she's very well fit to be a mother....

And the dad doesn't want him. I'd just say, "look kid, you're mom is an effin' freak and your dad isn't emotionally stable. you might like these folks better...." and off he goes to a decent foster home.

I can't imagine the regret that the mother must feel at this point, if she's willing to take her absolute idiocy this far. That said, she's not fit. I mean, regret has been the impetus of more than one murder. Maybe she'll get her $800 by taking out some accidental death clause on sonny boy. He should watch out. Women with jaws like hers are TRUE dangers to society....

sick.
 

Applespider

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chanoc said:
This came from listener comments, so here it is. Keep a bottle of hot sauce Every place you have sex (Bathroom, bedroom etc.) After you use the condom, put a few drops into the used condom and throw it away. This results in the "Burning of the cooch" if the bitch tries to actually use the contents. :p
Chanoc - are you really such a misogynist? You seem to have some offensive ideas and beliefs about women. This isn't an all-male board so any chance of toning it down a little for those of us of the gentler sex. :rolleyes: Of course, if you're the Alaskan guy referred to in the recent 'male genitalia' thread, I guess you'd have a reason to be narked at the female sex. ;)

Back on topic, at the moment, the plaintiff is saying that the woman stored the sperm. Has the woman admitted to doing this? Is there a chance that although full penetrative sex didn't occur, 'bits' were close enough to each other that an accidental pregnancy might happen?

If she did deliberately do it, then I think she had a moral duty to get the guy's permission beforehand(gift or not; only a lawyer could come up with that interpretation!). Without that, I don't think she has any claim on paternity cash.
 

Kmacripple

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This is the funniest thread I have ever seen. A thread about oral sex, now I have seen everything.

the type of women who had an affair, sucked off a man, kept the sperm and impregnated herself later on
That is such a good description of this woman. I can tell she has a real high moral standard. What is wrong with people these days.
 

Lacero

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This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.
 

Moxiemike

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Lacero said:
This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.
Why does it need to be wastelanded? I think it's good information for people, and a good indication of how pathetic and sue happy we've become as americans.

It's a good illustration of just how ridiculous we've become as a SOCIETY

No point in ignoring the truth.....
 

robbieduncan

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Lacero said:
This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.
(Based on the assumption you are above the age of consent wherever you are) If you are old enough, and feel mature enough to engage in these sorts of acts then it is reasonable to be able to discuss them, as well as the potential outcomes, especially if you do not take care in choosing who you do them with.

Having said that I am aware that (and I am trying to say children) people who are not mature enough to be doing this frequent this site I think that they are more than able to read about the world around them and educate themselves. It's not like the linked article is particularly graphic or offensive.
 

aloofman

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Applespider said:
Chanoc - are you really such a misogynist? You seem to have some offensive ideas and beliefs about women. This isn't an all-male board so any chance of toning it down a little for those of us of the gentler sex.
If it really is based on anything that Tom Leykis said, then misogyny is par for the course.
 

Sun Baked

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Lacero said:
This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.
You cannot see the humor in this situation?

A woman recycles, then sues the man for child support.

The guy turns around and sues the woman for emotional distress...

However the stuff that got tossed is equally as insane.

Remember boys, if you deposit it in her mouth, it's a gift. ;)

If this had been in the news during the Clinton-Monica era -- the jokes alone would have forced him out of office. :D
 

applebum

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Moxiemike said:
Why does it need to be wastelanded? I think it's good information for people, and a good indication of how pathetic and sue happy we've become as americans.

It's a good illustration of just how ridiculous we've become as a SOCIETY

No point in ignoring the truth.....
Yes, because this story obviously is a good representation of American society as a whole. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

kgarner

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applebum said:
Yes, because this story obviously is a good representation of American society as a whole. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Not that it is a good representation of America, but that the American legal system allows for these kinds of frivilous lawsuits. This is the just the latest in a long line of outrageous lawsuits.