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There is a few things
I miss the start button. The dock is handy but I prefer the start button and quick access tool bar.

Put your Applications folder and user folder in the dock, then right click and change it to a list view. You now have full access to everything on your HD via the user folder in the dock, and the applications folder as well.

remove programs

Remove or uninstall? To remove from the dock, simply click and hold, then drag off, it goes away. To uninstall, drag application from the applications folder to the trash, then empty trash. Or if the specific application came with an uninstaller, you can use that too.

My network places

Network as in available WiFi networks or connected servers? Connected servers will show up in any Finder folder you open up in the sidebar. As far as Wifi, that's in the WiFi symbol on the top menu bar.

scratching my head on how to easily open a new tab on safari when only a single safari window is open

File > New Tab, OR Command + T, OR right click on the top of the safari window, click "customize toolbar" and add the "New tab" button to your existing buttons.

I seem to close a lot of safari windows instead of hitting the back button.

As mentioned above, when you customize your toolbar in Safari, you can always add some other buttons in front of the back/forward buttons to keep from closing it out inadvertently.
 
I found it easy to move to Mac. I picked it up very quickly. I guess I just thought in terms of what I wanted to do in English and then searched the internets/mac for the command.

Also lot of it was easy because I found the Mac to be well organized and streamlined.

Not alot of tedious or unecessary clicks. Nothing seems to be as buried as it is in Windows.

The biggest thing I don't like about OSX is the tiny buttons and scrollbars and windows that can come up. Like the Finder Viewing Options window.

I find Windows easier to use in that aspect. Bigger buttons are just easier to mouse over and click. May look less refined, but easier to work with.
 
I found it easy to move to Mac. I picked it up very quickly. I guess I just thought in terms of what I wanted to do in English and then searched the internets/mac for the command.

Also lot of it was easy because I found the Mac to be well organized and streamlined.

Not alot of tedious or unecessary clicks. Nothing seems to be as buried as it is in Windows.

The biggest thing I don't like about OSX is the tiny buttons and scrollbars and windows that can come up. Like the Finder Viewing Options window.

I find Windows easier to use in that aspect. Bigger buttons are just easier to mouse over and click. May look less refined, but easier to work with.

I completely agree. What I don't like though is the ability to customize the top organizational bars (unless you can? If so let me know lol) such as being limited to the name, size, kind, and date modified. I would love to change those.
 
I have recently started using OS X on a hackintosh, I have 1 windows Vista, 1 Win 7, and 1 Hackintosh.

I will start with the things I do not like about OS X
- Finder is really bad, the sorting of files is not very nice as folders are sorted among the files, and I like in windows how I can click the date column and the files resort, this is not available in Finder
- Full Screen, I can't make my apps full screen, I am used to it now and don't even full screen my windows apps anymore.
- Windows short cuts, F2 - Rename, Win D - Desktop, Win R - Run (I used this to load calc, cmd, notepad faster than using the mouse and start bar), Win E - loads explorer, (I still find myself trying this on OS X to load finder), using keyboard to navigate through explorer
- Office is better on Windows than on Mac
- those damn dstore files it leaves everywhere
- No KOREAN commercial websites accept anything other than Internet Explorer, so much for customer choice.

Now what I liked about OS X
- Launch bar - this is so much better than the windows start bar/toolbar
- everything works, drivers aren't crashing or conflicting
- Timemachine
- No Virus protection required, I had to be careful about websites in windows, well not so much in OS X
- Sleep - so fast to wake up, and so fast to sleep
- Keyboard is much nicer
- Easier to install/uninstall applications
- Adding/removing items on the launch bar
- simple control panel where its obvious what everything is
- boot up time even after 12 months of running and no matter how many programs I have installed, windows just takes forever to load, the more you add to windows the longer it takes to load
- no annoying questions, example when installing on windows you have to answer yes about 10 times then finish, on OS X just drag to APPS and then click it to run (may need password first time its run)
- Force quit option on right click to kill unresponsive apps - no need to CTRL ALT DEL to get to task manager (then wait for that to load if it will)
- Can run windows on OSX using Parallels or other virtualisation software, and it does it better than the virtualisation software in windows, ie. I can run the Windows app in the virtual machine but the VM is hidden only the app window is visible so it actually looks like it is running in OSX as a OSX application as the VM machine and desktop is all hidden.
- Can dual boot Windows and OS X (PC cannot do this), so if I choose to like Windows better I can just not boot into OSX and I end up with great looking windows machine.
- Less software to choose from so at least I know the software that is available is not software that is going to harm my computer and that it will most likely work (if not I find a windows version and run it in the VM)
- The filesystem is more organised, so less looking for files
- No DLL's to worry about
- No registry hacks, errors, or cleaning
- Dual monitors is easier to set up and control
- iPhoto - at least the mac comes with decent video and picture software


Now Mac vs PC (Hardware not OS)
- Mac is more compact
- Mac is much more lighter, comparing case, screen to the iMac (iMac is Half the weight)
- Mac has significantly better design and style
- PC is more upgradable (but I used to think thiis was good - I never upgraded any PC of mine even though this was why I always got big towers, extra PCI slots, made sure I had SLI - I never ended up upgrading to take advantage of this, my upgrades ended up with better motherboards and video cards at same time)
- PC can fit more Hard Disks internal to machine, Mac is either NAS or USB
- Apples pricing is biased to the US market, Both apps and hardware are cheaper in the US than in any other country even after taking into consideration freight, Tax etc.
 
Music handling

I switched to Mac 3 years ago and I have never looked back. most of the annoyences has been covered already, but none of them are a real showstopper.

The biggest annoyence with OS X is the lack of a good music handler. I just hate iTunes. It's the biggest bloatware on the market if you ask me. Please, don't start a flame war about this, it's my opinion, and based on how I handle/listen to music. It might work for you.

Regarding the (in)famous "x" to quit programs: This might be the biggest conceptual difference between Windows and Mac. Windows is, well, windows based. Program, user interface etc are all contained in one window. Mac on the other hand is based on programs, interacting with the user using windows. It takes some time to get used to. The best way I believe, is to avoid the buttons and use command-h to hide and command-q to quit programs. This way, alt-tab works as in Windows. Using the "minimize" button is confusing when you want the window back. you can alt-tab to the program but the window will still be minimized
 
One thing that got me was that you cannot make apps fill the screen without dragging and resizing. You can only resize from the bottom right corner. No real other annoyances for me that I can think of.

Try Divvy for window management - lets you use a mouse or keystrokes to tell an application how much of the screen to take up (and at what position).
 
I've been building my own systems for the past 12 years and just switched over for the first time.

Most of what you will find you don't like is simply due to not knowing exactly how to accomplish what you could before on a Windows box. If you're not familiar with *nix filesystems it can take some getting used, and finder is not the best way to browse files in the world, but it's not too terrible.

The only thing I miss, by default, is the ability to cut/paste files from one area to another. I like using keyboard commands over clicking and dragging but that's just me.

Also in response to this comment earlier...

Windows short cuts
F2 - Rename (try just 'Enter')
Win D - Desktop (F11)
Win R - Run (Command+space)
Win E - loads explorer (Shift+Command+H)

...are some equivalents that work pretty well. Take some getting used to though.
 
I've been building my own systems for the past 12 years and just switched over for the first time.

Most of what you will find you don't like is simply due to not knowing exactly how to accomplish what you could before on a Windows box. If you're not familiar with *nix filesystems it can take some getting used, and finder is not the best way to browse files in the world, but it's not too terrible.

The only thing I miss, by default, is the ability to cut/paste files from one area to another. I like using keyboard commands over clicking and dragging but that's just me.

Also in response to this comment earlier...

Windows short cuts
F2 - Rename (try just 'Enter')
Win D - Desktop (F11)
Win R - Run (Command+space)
Win E - loads explorer (Shift+Command+H)

...are some equivalents that work pretty well. Take some getting used to though.

Look up TotalFinder. Adds tab like functions to all finder windows (like Firefox, Chrome, Safari, etc.) and allows for actual cut and paste of files. With Cmd V.

It's pretty much amazing. I love it.
 
2) Is the mac command line a full unix one, with same commands, etc? As i said i'm used to linux command line from managing my web servers, and if i can write shell scripts in mac, it could save me good time.
I got a Mac mini a few years back to do cross-platform Java development. At first I used an A/B box to switch keyboard, mouse and monitor between a Windows XP box and the mini. I only used the Mac when I had too. When my Win XP box had a catastrophic failure I couldn't afford to fix it. I got Parallels and installed XP in it.

Initially, I did most everything in Parallels. But as time went on and because Parallels was slow, I found I only used it for Photoshop, for stubborn websites that only ran in IE and for testing Java programs before release. I now have PS for Mac.

When I switched, Un*x was the biggest pleasant surprise to me. Mac OS X is built on top of open source BSD Unix. I've been using Un*x daily since 1987, first in college and then at work.

The command line is bash. Most (perhaps all) of the expected utilities are there: awk, sed, vi, cat, echo, zip, ....

It is a complete BSD implementation from what I can tell. (I guess there are minor differences: e.g launchd for startup of background processes.)

You might look at macports or fink if you can't find what you expect.

In the spirit of the thread, the annoyances for me:
The file system (i.e. location of files) is different than what veteran Un*x users expect and you should learn where Mac OS X wants stuff (e.g. not in ~/.my_app, but in ~/Library/Application Support/My App)

It does not have X11 installed by default. (only important if you need an X11 program)

There is no forward delete key. I'm sure there's a shortcut for that but I haven't found it. So, it's forward arrow and then delete.

Double clicking the title bar does not maximize the window but hides the app. (I still haven't gotten used to this one.)

Finder really hides hidden files and folders. I'm sure that there is a way around this one, but I just use Terminal.

Double clicking a zip file does not do what I expect it to do. Terminal and unzip satisfies that need.

Java is tied to the OS. You only get Java 6 on Snow Leopard. You can't simply get older versions of Java for a new OSX and can't get newer versions for an older OSX. This compromises development of Java apps for older Mac machines from a newer machine.

On another note:
At work we've recently upgraded from XP to Win 7. I find that the differences in that leap are bigger for me than from XP to Mac. Especially in system preferences and in Windows Explorer.
 
windows switch

My only dislike of OS X: You can't cycle between windows that are open with command+tab, you can only cycle between applications. In windows, you can cycle between the open windows with alt+tab.

Not true, you can switch app windows via command+tab but also switch windows within the same application via command ~. You can also see all windows or just the windows that are open in the current app via the keyboard or by moving the mouse to a corner of the screen you've selected. You can also hide all windows and show the desktop the same way. easier than Windows IMO.
 
I suppose most of us were switchers at one time or another. I had only used Windows since 1998 when I bought my iMac in 2008. There were many things different and issues with finding the right replacement software. But all it took was a little time and effort to adjust to using a different operating system. I don't use Windows now--I am retired so all I need to worry about is what computer I use at home and it is a Mac. So the last Windows platform I used was XP. I don't really remember anything in particular that was difficult about switching--which for me means there were no issues that were show stoppers.
 
Hi guys,

I realize that this is a Mac forum, so chances are good that everyone here is happy with their decision to switch from Windows to Mac. But since there's no sub-forum on a Windows forum called "I tried a Mac but didn't like it" I'll ask here. :)

As someone that has used Windows since before Windows (DOS) and has never used a Mac, what might I NOT like about it?

What might be uncomfortable or difficult?

What major learning curves should I expect? Etc., etc...


I'm sure you get what I'm asking here ;) so please share whatever info you can.

Thanks in advance!

Maximising windows. You will DEFINITELY miss the option to maximise windows. Mac users say that OSX enlarges the window as large as it needs to be but this is only because they've never used Windows before. Sometimes you need to fill the whole screen with one program (such as when I'm doing design work), but OSX will choose the size that IT THINKS is best for you. Useless.

Aerosnap. One of the best features of W7.

Programs. As much as OSX users try to say that theres a Mac equivalent for the program you want, it's not true. I have a lot of programs that I need for my engineering degree that isn't available for OSX. And even if there is a better alternative, switching to a new interface from one you've used for your whole life is a really hard thing.

Cycling through windows. You can cycle through APPS with cmd+tab or cycle through windows WITHIN THE SAME APP with cmd+~. Why did they have to split it? Making life difficult for everyone. I usually have 2 safari windows open along with Word, but to cycle through them you need to to remember when to use each keyboard shortcut.

Quitting programs. The X only closes the window. You need to right click on a program and choose "Quit" to close to fully. I mean, when I close all my safari windows or word documents why the hell do I still need the program running in the background?? And to make thing worst, some programs DOES close when you press the X.

Finder. It's basically windows explorer. I'm not really sure what it is but it feels really slow compared to windows explorer in terms of trying to sort files. When I try to organise my stuff in windows, I can do it really fast but in OSX it's just really slow to move around. It might be just me not being used to the interface but I've been using it for a few months now and I haven't sped up at all.

HFS+ and NTFS. Mac uses HFS+ which windows cannot read natively and OSX cannot write to NTFS natively. My solution is to use paragon NTFS on OSX and have my external drives formatted to NTFS. Not exactly Apple's fault but still annoying.

Games. Don't even think about OSX if you want to game (By "game" I mean proper gaming, not being able to play COD 1/2 years after its released everywhere else). There are hardly any games for OSX. There's been more recently but mostly just valve games. If any new game is released by another company don't expect to be able to play it in OSX for at least half a year (that's being very optimistic).

Boot from USB. I've been installing windows via USB for a long time now. It's much faster than using a DVD and let's face it, it's a million times easier to just format a USB stick and stick the windows image on it. But OSX is really strict and doen't allow booting from USB and I've also heard that MBP will not boot from an external DVD drive if there isn't an internal one present (WTF?)

"It just works". If you pay double the price for everything and it's all made by Apple then yes, otherwise, finding drivers is worse than windows.

RMVB files. I hated the format on Windows, I try to avoid it at all costs, and I think it should be obliterated. But nonetheless, I have a load of old stuff encoded in RM and in windows you can avoid the god awful Real Player by using Real Alternative and Media Player Classic. But on OSX, EVEN THE REAL PLAYER program can't play their own files. Epic fail much? (I know this isn't Apple's fault since it's Real's problem but still a neg for OSX)

Delete button. There isn't one. you have to use fn+backspace. Annoying.

Page up, page down, home, end. All non existent.

Using CMD for everything. I know Windows isn't the standard for everything but it's annoying when you keep pressing the wrong shortcut. and the position of the CMD key is very awkward (you will understand if you're used to a windows keyboard)

Ofcourse my solution to most of the problems is to install windows using bootcamp or VMware (or both). But then you need to work with two separate OSs which is quite pointless.

But overall I could NEVER use OSX by itself. I will always need Windows somewhere.

From a Lifelong windows user who recently won a 2011 13" MBP from a scratchcard and now uses it regularly.
 
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Originally Posted by Hastings101
Things I miss from Windows:

Select an item, push shift, and select another to select those two items and everything between them.


Mac OS X does do this. Did you even try it?

It doesn't work for me either and I miss this functionality, too. Can you explain what I do wrong? Are you sure you don't confuse it with being only the two objects selected and not - as the original poster stated - also everything between them?
 
It doesn't work for me either and I miss this functionality, too. Can you explain what I do wrong? Are you sure you don't confuse it with being only the two objects selected and not - as the original poster stated - also everything between them?

I just did it and it worked for me... I think you might be doing something wrong...
 
Mac OS X does do this. Did you even try it?

I just did it and it worked for me... I think you might be doing something wrong...

That's really, really strange. Never worked till day one I'm using a Mac now (about three years) and still missed - don't think there's much to do wrong here: When I click on a file, keep pressing shift while clicking on another file, it only marks these two files, none of those between them ... Have to check them all individually. Can't imagine that there is a Finder setting to activate the Shift thing, is there?!
 
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That's really, really strange. Never worked till day one I'm using a Mac now (about three years) and still missed - don't think there's much to do wrong here: When I click on a file, keep pressimg shift while clicking on another file, it only marks these two files, none of those between them ... Have to check them all individually. Can't imagine that there is a Finder setting to activate the Shift thing, is there?!

Are you messing with me? Or are you serious? Lol shift click has always been the select that and everything in between button, from windows to Linux to OS X. Tty doing it with command and see what happens.
 
Are you messing with me? Or are you serious? Lol shift click has always been the select that and everything in between button, from windows to Linux to OS X. Tty doing it with command and see what happens.

Totally serious and at least two other people here in this forum mentioned it the same way as a "disadvantage". Command behaves the same, never several files at once, only one at a time when clicking, "adding up" file after file. Only possibility for me is command + A when I want to mark ALL files in a folder.
 
Totally serious and at least two other people here in this forum mentioned it the same way as a "disadvantage". Command behaves the same, never several files at once, only one at a time when clicking, "adding up" file after file. Only possibility for me is command + A when I want to mark ALL files in a folder.

Wow... what is it that you're using anyway? Snow Leopard?
 
Wow... what is it that you're using anyway? Snow Leopard?

Yes, Snow Leopard. Same thing already in Leopard some years ago when I started using Macs. I don't have an explaination, always thought that this is the way Finder is meant to be and everybody has to deal with. (As did others here who have the same behaviour like me.)
 
Biggest gripe with OS X for me comes from the desktop hardware side: No 5.1 audio support out of the box!

Most desktop PCs these days have onboard 5.1, and Windows 7 provides basic drivers that are good enough to let you get going without installing other drivers. You just have to plug in the right plugs in the right holes, and you're set.

As for Macs? Nope. No such thing. You need to get an external soundcard or a standalone decoder for 5.1. At least the Mac's saving grace is that the headphone jack also acts as an optical-out so you can still technically get 5.1. Luckily for me, I had an old Extigy card lying around, so I had a quick solution.
 
Most of these "problems" are down to people not knowing how to operate their Macs. I would recommend to any new switcher (& a lot of the people who have posted in this thread!) get a good book ("The Missing Manual" is great) which explains everything you need to know.

Agreed~~seems everytime I think my mac doesn't do something I need it to do it's because of operator ignorance:eek:
 
keyboard shorts + lacking features

I use keyboard shorts mostly on mac to save time.

However, the main problem when i was switching from PC in 2001 is the lack of the functionality of cut command.

I'm not saying its not there.... there just more functionality to it in Windows. For example. in Windows, you can cut anything, but on a mac use can only cut text. This sin't a huge problem, as you get used to it.

Apple backs this up by stating If you cut you loose the info. While this may be true,its also not, in that when you cut anything whatever it is,, it goes to clipboard, (both windows or mac) and can Undo on either.

I guess it really depends what side of the stream you see it as.

Besides, i'm sure what the mac lacks functionality wise in those small areas can be made up by open source apps. (thats what their there for).

Still.... I'm not compiling .. I just like having the debate with my pc mates every week :)
 
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