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T-Mobile keeps these announcements in order to grab some publicity. In reality, none of them offer much. When one examines the average income of T-Mobile subscribers they find that those that can afford to travel to Brazil aren't the typical T-Mobile customer. Thus, they're giving this offer to very few and it costs them very little. But it does allow them to grab headlines which in turn brings in new business, largely from those with zero plans to go to Brazil and will not benefit from most of these announcements.

I have T-Mobile and I make about 1M per year. Considering your message, you're unlikely to make it in 5 lifetimes.

Besides, T-Mobile has more than 50M customers, but I guess the statistical implications are way too complex for you.
 
I fly over 2,000,000+ miles, Platinum for life. I'm a T-Mobile customer, I like to have free data and text where ever I land.

And I'm sure you pay for all those flights yourself. :rolleyes:

What's the point of your comment here? To brag about something that's not impressive?
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It makes you wonder, if T-Moblie had the coverage of ATT or Verizon, would they still be making these deals? I would hope yes and why aren't ATT and verizon considering some of these deals? (I have my opinion on that last part)

T-Mobile does it because it's getting customers to switch from AT&T and Verizon but they also take a big hit on it. They make far less profit per customer than their competitors.

There was a recent profile of T-Mobile in either Fast Company or Inc. which looked at their tactics and how they're working. They can't afford to do it forever and it's not very profitable for them but in a market where customer count is everything, they have to do it or they wouldn't survive. It's more important for the to grow their customer base right now than it is to make better profit margins. If they can get a substantial customer base, then they will raise rates and can begin making better profit margins. For phone carriers it costs them much the same to provide service to 1,000 or 10,000 customers so having as many as possible is a must in order to be able to make profits from their margins.
 
And I'm sure you pay for all those flights yourself. :rolleyes:

What's the point of your comment here? To brag about something that's not impressive?
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The point is that one who claims that those with T-Mobile don't have the money to travel to Brazil is a retard.
 
1) I live in one of the highest per capita income areas in the U.S. T-Mobile owned stores are all around including the expensive rent shopping areas. But if you are going to use the avg. income of T-Mob users then please present your data that they are low income.
Average T-Mobile users may be lower income, because it is typically much cheaper than AT&T and Verizon.

Having said that, T-Mobile is also popular among affluent segment of people who travels often outside US. And with its family friendly policies (e.g., cheaper beyond 2 lines, data not shared with other members, no overage, BingeOn, Music Unlimited), it is becoming popular among higher income customers with kids.

It just needs better coverage, period, which they are busy working on.
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There was a recent profile of T-Mobile in either Fast Company or Inc. which looked at their tactics and how they're working. They can't afford to do it forever and it's not very profitable for them but in a market where customer count is everything, they have to do it or they wouldn't survive. It's more important for the to grow their customer base right now than it is to make better profit margins. If they can get a substantial customer base, then they will raise rates and can begin making better profit margins. For phone carriers it costs them much the same to provide service to 1,000 or 10,000 customers so having as many as possible is a must in order to be able to make profits from their margins.
I am not sure which article you read, but I suspect this so-called "recent" article isn't as recent as you think.

It's true. When John Legere took over the helm of T-Mobile, he focused on increasing customers at all cost. It operated in heavy losses for several years with its aggressive Un-Carrier moves. And it worked. T-Mobile significantly increased its customer base at the expense of other carriers.

Then last year, John Legere rolled out the next phase of his plan.

Its most popular low-end tier ($50 2GB) and trouble maker unlimited tier ($95) are being squeezed out by more profitable mid-tier plans ($65 6GB and $80 10GB). T-Mobile made mid-tier plans more attractive by (1) zero rating video streaming services and app store downloads by throttling them to 1.5 Mbps, (2) unused data rollover for 12 months, and (3) offering discount for certain family plan arrangements.

The end result? T-Mobile has been profitable for over a year now.
 
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When one examines the average income of T-Mobile subscribers they find that those that can afford to travel to Brazil aren't the typical T-Mobile customer.

My household's income was well into six figures last year. Pretty sure we can afford to travel. Same goes for plenty of other customers. It's absolutely ridiculous to try and say "T-Mobile customers are poor as dirt."

Get off your high horse, lmao.
 
That would be the death knell for net neutrality...
How so? Net neutrality is about within their network. the last mile has never been net neutral. Today you pay for bandwidth in tiered levels. This is no different except that some tiers will be subsidized or sponsored. Net neutrality says you cannot slow the data down from one packet versus another or give preference to one packet over another. Getting data from cell or cable company or, the last mile has nothing to do with net neutrality.
 
I travel to Europe a lot and love the free data and text when I'm there (the 20c/min calls are nice too when something on the trip goes awry). I was in Denmark a few weeks ago and got a text from TMO saying something along the lines of "Happy Summer, instead of the usual 2g data, enjoy LTE on us." Name any other carrier who even comes close to trying to be good to their customers? I laugh at my VZW and ATT using friends while they fumble with SIM cards or buy 100MB of data for obscene prices.

I plan to do some traveling across europe over the next year and a half. I'm curious to hear your experience on T-Mo coverage across Europe and how good/bad the 2g data is. Additionally, have you ever tried FaceTime Audio/Skype/other VOIP while in Europe to avoid the 20c/min? Is the data just not fast/reliable enough?
 
My household's income was well into six figures last year. Pretty sure we can afford to travel. Same goes for plenty of other customers. It's absolutely ridiculous to try and say "T-Mobile customers are poor as dirt."

Get off your high horse, lmao.

Where did I ever say that? I said the average income level for most T-Mobile customers is far less than that of a Verizon or AT&T customer. That's fact. I didn't say everyone.

Do you understand the concept of averages and how there can be some far above and far below that average number? Do we need to send you back to junior high school math so you can understand these strange and difficult concepts?
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I am not sure which article you read, but I suspect this so-called "recent" article isn't as recent as you think.

It's true. When John Legere took over the helm of T-Mobile, he focused on increasing customers at all cost. It operated in heavy losses for several years with its aggressive Un-Carrier moves. And it worked. T-Mobile significantly increased its customer base at the expense of other carriers.

Then last year, John Legere rolled out the next phase of his plan.

Its most popular low-end tier ($50 2GB) and trouble maker unlimited tier ($95) are being squeezed out by more profitable mid-tier plans ($65 6GB and $80 10GB). T-Mobile made mid-tier plans more attractive by (1) zero rating video streaming services and app store downloads by throttling them to 1.5 Mbps, (2) unused data rollover for 12 months, and (3) offering discount for certain family plan arrangements.

The end result? T-Mobile has been profitable for over a year now.

They've seen growth in the past couple years but growth is different than profit. In this day and age you can have great growth without any profit. Look at Tesla or LinkedIn. They've never turned a profit and yet they have big growth.

T-Mobile saw about $297 million in profit in the last quarter of 2015. By comparison, AT&T saw $3.2 billion and Verizon saw $4.2 billion. Right now, T-Mobile isn't even in the same ballpark as the other two carriers.
 
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T-Mobile keeps these announcements in order to grab some publicity. In reality, none of them offer much. When one examines the average income of T-Mobile subscribers they find that those that can afford to travel to Brazil aren't the typical T-Mobile customer.

Looks like someone is trying really hard to justify overpaying for their cell service.

I know a lot of colleagues who are in the upper income brackets and have switched to T-Mobile. Why? because they live in dense urban areas... Where T-Mobile has good coverage. And they travel internationally. And frankly, even affluent people will prefer to spend no additional cash on their cell service when traveling, than burn needless cash on roaming fees.

People who are smart with their money tend to have a lot of it.


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Where did I ever say that? I said the average income level for most T-Mobile customers is far less than that of a Verizon or AT&T customer. That's fact.

Do you have actual data to back up this "fact?"
 
I plan to do some traveling across europe over the next year and a half. I'm curious to hear your experience on T-Mo coverage across Europe and how good/bad the 2g data is. Additionally, have you ever tried FaceTime Audio/Skype/other VOIP while in Europe to avoid the 20c/min? Is the data just not fast/reliable enough?

I found TMO coverage good where I have been in northern, central, and eastern Europe. The 2G speed is fine for maps, internet, fb, trip advisor, etc... It's probably not good enough for FaceTime, but Europe has tons of wifi. I've been on busses between small towns in Croatia that have wifi for example.

If you have wifi, Facetime, Google video, etc... all work fine.

The way TMO works internationally is just the way all cell phones should work. TMO would have to really mess up at this point to lose me as a customer.
 
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I plan to do some traveling across europe over the next year and a half. I'm curious to hear your experience on T-Mo coverage across Europe and how good/bad the 2g data is. Additionally, have you ever tried FaceTime Audio/Skype/other VOIP while in Europe to avoid the 20c/min? Is the data just not fast/reliable enough?
Having used the T-Mobile 2G data in Greece this past month, I have to say that I found it more than sufficient for a number of things. Apple Maps and navigation worked perfectly in addition to Facebook and Twitter. Browsing MacRumors wasn't much of an issue either. You will notice that things take longer to load than you are probably used to though.

Regarding FaceTime, the video part of it was not useable, but audio worked just fine. Skype audio worked fine for me with a few hiccups. I ended up using the 20c/min calling to call a few cell phone numbers not covered by my Skype subscription.
 
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Stick to Verizon and At&T and get ripped off then, I spend half of my life in Europe and get EXCELLENT service with free internet, messages, wifi calling, and roaming only 20 cents a minute!
I think you might want to reread that lol. I was calling his comment ignorant because I am a T-Mobile customer and I am not the average customer he referred to.
 
Metro coverage is mostly good, sometimes great if 700 MHz band 12 extend range is fully deployed.

Rural areas are typically crapshoot, however. Especially in California where I live. On the positive note, T-Mobile is in the process of converting all 1900 MHz EDGE towers to LTE (band 2).

In California, LTE band 2 upgrade is supposed to complete by end of this year. 700 MHz extended range LTE (band 12) in all of CA (areas with a license anyway) will complete by middle of 2017.

Anyway, the outlook looks promising, but it is a bit painful to sit through. At least T-Mobile is throwing us some bones here and there.

Yep. We can actually SEE progress with this company compared to the others. Additionally, my bill has actually dropped while I got more data and features since I signed up with them a decade ago.
 
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