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T-Mobile is covering 312million customers in the US but there are 324million people in the US??? Can someone explain this to me? How much are the other carriers covering then?

T-Mobile leases towers from Verizon and AT&T. Following the collapse of the AT&T and T-Mobile merger, T-Mobile divested it's network real estate (antenna)s to CrownCastle, and AT&T sold their towers to CrownCastle also. Verizon sold their towers to American Tower.

In most situations (like 95% of the time) AT&T and Verizon provide connectivity and Fiber to the towers they own. So when T-Mobile pays a lease to a tower, it still relies on Verizon or AT&T landline service to connect the equipment to the network.
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400 Mbps seems like overkill for streaming 480p video...

Well, T-Mobile is at it again. Remember, they are a "Re-Carrier now, and if you've seen the past, ads, they look familiar. First, they are using the same "Re-Carrier" advertising strategy.

Here's how it works-- they'll advertise a new service and how it's better than a competitors, even when they haven't tested it; and remain ranked #4 (out of 4 companies) in coverage and service according to RootMetrics.

So here, you might get lucky and get 450MB speeds for a short time, but like clockwork, they'll start telling customers they need to upgrade. Two things happen.

Part 1- 1.) T-Mobile will also change the plan and how it's billed. (Look at Rate plans with "Unlimited" data; but then T-Mobile raised rates and Re-Advertised the terms of their service; changed how T-Mobile bills for video; and not Net-Neutrality Compliant with a plan called "Binge On".)

Part 2- Other people will upgrade and begin to use the service in your area. You won't get the advertised speed once one other person in your area upgrades. As an early adopter, take a picture of the speeds you had during that first week. This way, you can fondly look back at that speed test as you continue your 2-year contract term. Also you could post "SpeedTest" results online so T-Mobile they can get even more customers on the network.

Logically though... The engineering needs to get done. In order to get coverage and speed to the tower via landline fiber. In most parts of the US where T-Mobile leases space on Verizon's antenna structure, Verizon (or AT&T Landlines) has to bring fiber optic lines to the tower. So AT&T and Verizon will likely have the faster speed first. T-Mobile likes to advertise placing the cart before the horse, I guess.

Another problem T-Mobile has is the spectrum position and amount of airwaves. Verizon also has 800% more cellular airwaves, which travel "up to 4-times farther" than what T-Mobile advertises as LTE Extended Range service (Band 12). Having access to a larger amount of airwaves is important if you want coverage over wider distances and for more people (capacity). T-Mobile wants to increse their ad budget instead of providing service.

Either way, it's shady marketing T-Mobile uses. But it must be legal in the country Neville Ray is from. I believe he's still on a Green Card and not a US citizen and may not know about US's strict truth-in-advertising laws. That's probably why it's on a blog post. This is exactly what a "Re-Carrier" does.
 
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Switched to T-Mobile 3 months ago. Am back on Verizon. While in town in the metro area, the coverage was good (though it often dropped to 3G inside buildings, but whatever I could deal with that). When I got out of town and into the suburbs and, God forbid, the rural areas, the coverage failed horrifically.

All this said, I hope they can get it together. They seem to be trying to do the right things. I just wish they could get their coverage area increased. And yeah their customer service was abysmal. I was told by the in-store reps that if I called with a "no-coverage report" that I'd get some kind of concern or something. Instead I got, "Oh that zip code shows as covered. You should be good." Wrong answer. At least with Verizon I can get on the network when I go visit my parents.
Heh, I switched to T-mobile for my parents! They won't let me buy them cable or dish so I got binge on and we watch amazon youtube n hulu for free, pretty cool. I'm in Maine, so once you get away from the highway cell service does suck.
Verizon might be better for phone service but I left them and ATT in the dust after I got my first couple of $15 charges for going over data by a couple OF MEGS! T-mobile all the WAY!
 
lol, that was my thought as well. While I love their technology for my home, this isn't something that I expect a national provider to be using to connect thousands of users.

Internet search for 4x4 mimo and look at images. The one from ubiquity is the first "cool" one you find.
 
Maybe you are right, but I've had T-Mobile for over ten years and travel a lot. In the few instances T-Mobile didn't have coverage (far into the country), I just rode on another network. No roaming cost, what's the big deal?

To each their own, but in Michigan where I live T-Mobile works great.
Is the no roaming costs a thing? That would be great. first time I'm hearing of that.
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I hope T-Mobile isn't running their network on Ubiquity technology...
lol, that was my thought as well. While I love their technology for my home, this isn't something that I expect a national provider to be using to connect thousands of users.
You're probably thinking that b/c macrumors is using Ubiquity's image…
 
Maybe you are right, but I've had T-Mobile for over ten years and travel a lot. In the few instances T-Mobile didn't have coverage (far into the country), I just rode on another network. No roaming cost, what's the big deal?

To each their own, but in Michigan where I live T-Mobile works great.

When I tried T-Mobile during a cross country road trip, I got like 30MB of roaming data... that was it. And my phone was roaming on AT&T a lot. Have they changed their data roaming agreements? Because when I was roaming, 30MB burns up pretty quickly.
 
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Just another example of how T-Mobile Is ahead of the game. Every single person that has issue with T-Mobile is simply using old technology or relying on outdated information. Guaranteed. Try modernizing your device and you'll see how asinine it is to hemorrhage money to AT&T or Verizon. T-Mobile has far superior customer service, far superior network to AT&T/Sprint and soon to be far superior to Verizon, AND they're cheaper. Anyone that tells you otherwise is ignorant to the current times of cellular networks and cellular technology. The humorous aspect is that AT&T and Verizon did this to themselves.

https://opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/usa/state-of-the-mobile-network/
 
Why is that? Honestly, everything I have read says they are very good and we are looking at them as an option for our Wifi, so I would really like to know.
He has no idea what he's talking about. They work great.
 
Meanwhile, T-Mobile said it now covers nearly 312 million customers in the United States, bringing it to within 99.7% of Verizon's coverage.

Bull shizzle. What they call coverage is crap. Even outside in the clear, I can't get ANY coverage around here, and yet their map says there is LTE coverage.

Liars liars, adult diapers on fires!
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If you don't like T-Mobile don't use them. I moved from ATT 3 years ago after being with them through all the changes from about 1997. Couldn't be happier. Faster and better coverage for me at half the cost. And today lunch is on T-Mobile. Couldn't be happier.

Good for you! I think the problem here is the coverage statements... they are false. Not even close to true. Coverage means I can use the service I pay for, not register some digital reading on a device. If T Mobile were to be honest by that measure, I think they would have a whole different tune to sing.
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Just another example of how T-Mobile Is ahead of the game. Every single person that has issue with T-Mobile is simply using old technology or relying on outdated information. Guaranteed. Try modernizing your device and you'll see how asinine it is to hemorrhage money to AT&T or Verizon. T-Mobile has far superior customer service, far superior network to AT&T/Sprint and soon to be far superior to Verizon, AND they're cheaper. Anyone that tells you otherwise is ignorant to the current times of cellular networks and cellular technology. The humorous aspect is that AT&T and Verizon did this to themselves.

https://opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/usa/state-of-the-mobile-network/

Are you getting paid for the marketing messages? Seriously, you assume way too much. You don't even know what kind of hardware people are using, yet you blow this kind of propaganda out your rear end.

Bravo.
 
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Who would you go to for wireless backhaul instead? Genuinely curious to learn more.

I don't own/run a cell phone company so can't speak to the larger/industrial scale platforms that wireless carriers use. Though I do run local home/office networks and Ubiquiti is the platform I trust and use (I lover their technology as much as my Apple gear). With that said, I don't seem them providing equipment powerful enough to handle the bandwidth/congestion that a cell tower has to deal with.
 
T-Mobile is covering 312million customers in the US but there are 324million people in the US??? Can someone explain this to me? How much are the other carriers covering then?
T-Mobile is covering about 311-312 million people. Verizon and AT&T are around 315-318 million people I believe. The difference between the last 4-7 million or so people is a LOT though, because those last 4-7 million are very scattered and far apart. Lots more square mileage between the carriers than it seems.
400 Mbps seems like overkill for streaming 480p video...
It's more about capacity than raw speeds. If 400mbps is able to be achieved using the same amount of spectrum, that's 400mbps everybody can share rather than 300mbps for example.
I have T-Mobile in Dallas, and switched after Verizon said "No, we won't let you buy an iPhone 6 because you're one week shy of some ********." I even did the T-Mobile test drive and periodically did tests with my Verizon iPhone 5S and the T-Mobile 5S.

Without exception, T-Mobile had a faster SpeedTest score and general "real life" perception of speed, EVEN IF it had less bars. Hell, T-Mobile's 4G was faster than Verizon's LTE a number of times I tested it. Their customer service has been exceptional, but I will caveat and say that their reception inside large buildings is... Less good. Good thing I rarely make any actual phone calls.

Not to mention T-Mobile let me use data while on a call... (Not sure if Verizon has joined the 21st Century yet)
What iPhone are you currently using? That 5s still? The 5s doesn't support band 12, which is T-Mobile's "far reaching" LTE band that also penetrates buildings much better. It operates within similar frequencies as Verizon and AT&T's band 13 and 17 respectively that are known for their great coverage and in building reception.

The only Apple devices that support band 12 are the iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, iPhone SE, and iPad Pro 9.7.

Verizon has VoLTE now... So you can talk on LTE with improved voice quality and use LTE at the same time for data. This is an iPhone 6 and newer feature... So once again if you're using a 5s you're missing out due to old hardware.
Fingers crossed the Apple uses the X12 or another modem that is capable of this.

I recently switched to T-Mobile and my coverage is terrible! It would be a welcome improvement if things load a little faster before I lose signal.

I don't think Apple typically discloses these things though, do they? Will we have to wait for a breakdown before we know what kind of modem it has?

It doesn't matter what modem the device has, the device needs to have a 4x4 MIMO antenna setup first. The antennas and the modem are separate things. The antenna actually picks up on the frequencies, pulls in and sends out information, while the modem processes all that and allows your device to actually use the service I believe.

T-Mobile leases towers from Verizon and AT&T. Following the collapse of the AT&T and T-Mobile merger, T-Mobile divested it's network real estate (antenna)s to CrownCastle, and AT&T sold their towers to CrownCastle also. Verizon sold their towers to American Tower.

In most situations (like 95% of the time) AT&T and Verizon provide connectivity and Fiber to the towers they own. So when T-Mobile pays a lease to a tower, it still relies on Verizon or AT&T landline service to connect the equipment to the network.
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Well, T-Mobile is at it again. Remember, they are a "Re-Carrier now, and if you've seen the past, ads, they look familiar. First, they are using the same "Re-Carrier" advertising strategy.

Here's how it works-- they'll advertise a new service and how it's better than a competitors, even when they haven't tested it; and remain ranked #4 (out of 4 companies) in coverage and service according to RootMetrics.

So here, you might get lucky and get 450MB speeds for a short time, but like clockwork, they'll start telling customers they need to upgrade. Two things happen.

Part 1- 1.) T-Mobile will also change the plan and how it's billed. (Look at Rate plans with "Unlimited" data; but then T-Mobile raised rates and Re-Advertised the terms of their service; changed how T-Mobile bills for video; and not Net-Neutrality Compliant with a plan called "Binge On".)

Part 2- Other people will upgrade and begin to use the service in your area. You won't get the advertised speed once one other person in your area upgrades. As an early adopter, take a picture of the speeds you had during that first week. This way, you can fondly look back at that speed test as you continue your 2-year contract term. Also you could post "SpeedTest" results online so T-Mobile they can get even more customers on the network.

Logically though... The engineering needs to get done. In order to get coverage and speed to the tower via landline fiber. In most parts of the US where T-Mobile leases space on Verizon's antenna structure, Verizon (or AT&T Landlines) has to bring fiber optic lines to the tower. So AT&T and Verizon will likely have the faster speed first. T-Mobile likes to advertise placing the cart before the horse, I guess.

Another problem T-Mobile has is the spectrum position and amount of airwaves. Verizon also has 800% more cellular airwaves, which travel "up to 4-times farther" than what T-Mobile advertises as LTE Extended Range service (Band 12). Having access to a larger amount of airwaves is important if you want coverage over wider distances and for more people (capacity). T-Mobile wants to increse their ad budget instead of providing service.

Either way, it's shady marketing T-Mobile uses. But it must be legal in the country Neville Ray is from. I believe he's still on a Green Card and not a US citizen and may not know about US's strict truth-in-advertising laws. That's probably why it's on a blog post. This is exactly what a "Re-Carrier" does.

Did you know Verizon paid RootMetrics to give them a favorable score? That is way more shady than anything you spoke of. And all the other carriers do those sketchy things you listed too.

Also, that's not how airwaves work at all. First of all, T-Mobile's Band 12 is in the 700mhz range (which means it travels far and through buildings better than higher frequencies). You know what Verizon's far reaching band 13 operates at? ~700mhz.

Carriers don't pay to buy more airwaves so it travels faster, they purchase a very specific airwave (or frequency) to operate on, and also how much room they can use on that particular frequency (capacity). More room (capacity) translates to higher speeds and more people able to use the network without it being slowed to a halt.

Just because a carrier owns more spectrum, doesn't mean it will travel farther... More spectrum means higher speeds. The frequency that actually is being operated at is what influences coverage.

Think of it this way, AT&T owns spectrum in bands 2, 4, 5, 17, 29, and 30. T-Mobile owns spectrum in bands 2, 4 and 12. Each particular band only travels X amount, and will have to be picked up individually by the handset. Now, say AT&T owns more band 4 in a certain area. A 20+20 chunk. That will give speeds of 150mbps. T-Mobile owns a 15+15 chunk of band 4 (capable of speeds of 112.5mbps) and operates at the same exact place, on the exact same tower as AT&T. Each carrier's chunk of band 4 LTE will travel the same distance, it's just that AT&T owns more capacity, so it will provide higher speeds.

And again, number 4? T-Mobile is not number 4. Sprint is number 4. In terms of earnings, coverage, everything pretty much. Sprint covers like 800,000 square miles with LTE, T-Mobile covers about 1,400,000 square miles with LTE.
 
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T-Mobile is covering 312million customers in the US but there are 324million people in the US??? Can someone explain this to me? How much are the other carriers covering then?
T-Mobile always exaggerates their claim, although the same can be said for any US carriers. For instance, T-Mobile is claiming 4x4 MIMO carrier aggregation is available now in 319 cities, whereas in reality, most of these cities have just a handful of such towers, if at that.
 
4x4 MIMO may help with density but rolling out 700MHz band 12 is more important for coverage. With that said, Tmobile in major metropolitan areas have been as good as Verizon for me.
 
It doesn't matter what modem the device has, the device needs to have a 4x4 MIMO antenna setup first. The antennas and the modem are separate things. The antenna actually picks up on the frequencies, pulls in and sends out information, while the modem processes all that and allows your device to actually use the service I believe.
Ah, I was just going off what the article said:

"Qualcomm's X12 modem, an appropriate candidate for iPhone 7, supports 4x4 MIMO, so it is possible that some models could benefit from the technology. However, Apple is expected to use Intel's XMM 7360 LTE modem for a portion of iPhone 7 models, including AT&T models, and 4x4 MIMO is not an advertised feature of that chipset."

I certainly don't know much about modems or antennas but I hope the iPhone 7 has whatever it needs to support this!
 
Is the no roaming costs a thing? That would be great. first time I'm hearing of that.

Domestic roaming generally costs nothing in the US on all the carriers. You'll just have a very slow speed/small data bucket for roaming on that carrier specifically. Generally. Some smaller carriers have agreements in place where their network can be used at full speed just like normal. Data-bucket-wise as well.

Also, T-Mobile has tons of countries included in "Simple Global", a feature included at no extra charge on all current plans. It allows you to roam in tons of countries, and have unlimited texting, unlimited 128kbps data (now 256kbps on the T-Mobile ONE Plus plan) and calls at only $.20/min. Also on T-Mobile you can roam in Canada and Mexico totally free, it simply treats you as if you're still in the US. Full data speeds, unlimited texts, calls, etc. Data pulls from your regular data bucket like usual.

When I tried T-Mobile during a cross country road trip, I got like 30MB of roaming data... that was it. And my phone was roaming on AT&T a lot. Have they changed their data roaming agreements? Because when I was roaming, 30MB burns up pretty quickly.

I feel like newer plans have 200MB on AT&T. AT&T gave T-Mobile awful expensive roaming agreements though, so. You get unlimited calls and texts on AT&Ts network though so be thankful for that. There are some other roaming agreements that literally let you use their network exactly like you are on T-Mobile still. iWireless in Iowa is an example that comes to mind.

Bull shizzle. What they call coverage is crap. Even outside in the clear, I can't get ANY coverage around here, and yet their map says there is LTE coverage.

Liars liars, adult diapers on fires!

T-Mobile, like all the other carriers, has a very over exaggerated map. Don't trust it, or expect anything from it. Just because T-Mobile doesn't work right where you are, doesn't mean it doesn't work anywhere else. And some people only need their home and work covered pretty much, and are in the city. In that case, all 4 carriers will work perfectly fine 90% of the time.
 
Is the no roaming costs a thing? That would be great. first time I'm hearing of that.
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You're probably thinking that b/c macrumors is using Ubiquity's image…

Had a vacation and on my route from Ohio to NC I ran out of roaming data (30mb I think). Straight up stopped. No throttling or anything. Sucked.
 
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4x4 MIMO may help with density but rolling out 700MHz band 12 is more important for coverage. With that said, Tmobile in major metropolitan areas have been as good as Verizon for me.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding Carrier Aggregation. But from what I heard, T-Mobile prioritized carrier settings to make phones prefer non-700 MHz towers over 700 MHz towers because 700 MHz towers are much lower capacity (just 5 MHz vs. 10 or 20 MHz).

It is my understanding that with Carrier Aggregation, phones can connect both 700 MHz and other bands to get the best of the both world: throughput and coverage.
 
The better question is whether the new iPhone will support any of this.

The rumors of the new Intel modems are disappointing because they won't have the same performance as the Qualcomm modems.
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4x4 MIMO may help with density

4x4 MIMO will help with cell-edge performance, but not coverage/density. They still need to work on density outside of major cities.
 
Just another example of how T-Mobile Is ahead of the game. Every single person that has issue with T-Mobile is simply using old technology or relying on outdated information. Guaranteed. Try modernizing your device and you'll see how asinine it is to hemorrhage money to AT&T or Verizon. T-Mobile has far superior customer service, far superior network to AT&T/Sprint and soon to be far superior to Verizon, AND they're cheaper. Anyone that tells you otherwise is ignorant to the current times of cellular networks and cellular technology. The humorous aspect is that AT&T and Verizon did this to themselves.

https://opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/usa/state-of-the-mobile-network/


Perhaps this is true in your lalaland, but you are welcome to come to Chicago (and suburbs) to try it yourself. While you in Chicago, try a short trip to Wisconsin Dells and surrounding areas or better yet, further north to Upper Peninsula in Michigan. How about peach/blueberries picking in North Indiana?
Yes, it works in some areas, yes people buy this cause they fall for the low price (especially when you have a big family), but then they are wondering why they get dropped calls, missed calls, voice messages and txt messages that appear hours later, etc.

I am all for T-mobile and healthy competition, but after trying them out for less than a year, I am done with them. Once they cover Chicago and surrounding areas with Band 12 and offer reliable service in Wisconsin, I might consider them, but for now, I am very happy with my ATT. - just like Apple products - it just works!
 
T-Mobile has done quite a bit of expansion here in Minnesota. Just like most things, it's going to vary some from place to place. It's good to see a smaller carrier shake things up and get the big guys to change some, like no overages, but you gotta go with the carrier that gives you the coverage you need where you are.
 
Why is that? Honestly, everything I have read says they are very good and we are looking at them as an option for our Wifi, so I would really like to know

My Ubiquity WiFi setup hasn't given me, nor the 60+ employees that I support, any problems. It's rock solid, unlike the several other systems we tried before it.
 
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