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The Apple rep just is reading off a script.
Whatever “optimization” needs to happen is going to happen regardless, once you plug in the T-Mobile SIM card. I did an iTunes restore and first thing it said when I connected to iTunes is that there was a carrier update available if I wanted to download and apply it.
Apple store employees are frequently very poorly informed.
After picking up my Verizon iPhone X, I activated it with my T-Mobile Sim card in the store, and overheard the apple security guard asking a salesman "Are all the Apple Watches the same price?". The sales guy said "no, some are more expensive than the others, the most expensive one is the white one, which is made from porcelain, since it is unbreakable."
As I think everyone here is aware, the white Apple Watch is made from Ceramic. Apparently, the sales guy didn't.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Verizon iPhone X will underperform the T-Mobile iPhone X on T-Mobile under any conditions. It is possible that both perform the same, but most likely, the Verizon version will be at least slightly faster in most conditions.
After picking up my Verizon iPhone X, I activated it with my T-Mobile Sim card in the store, and overheard the apple security guard asking a salesman "Are all the Apple Watches the same price?". The sales guy said "no, some are more expensive than the others, the most expensive one is the white one, which is made from porcelain, since it is unbreakable."
As I think everyone here is aware, the white Apple Watch is made from Ceramic. Apparently, the sales guy didn't.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Verizon iPhone X will underperform the T-Mobile iPhone X on T-Mobile under any conditions. It is possible that both perform the same, but most likely, the Verizon version will be at least slightly faster in most conditions.
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Why did you pick up the Verizon instead of the T-Mobile version? Is it just because of the assumption 'slightly faster' due to Qualcomm making better performance chips than intel?
GSM only model modem is made is made by Intel and the GSM/CDMA is made by Qualcomm. Apple wants the Qualcomm version to be used least as possible because of royalties and lawsuit with Qualcomm. Optimized for TMO. NO
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Am I misreading this or is the Qualcomm model faster above Intel including the iPhone 8 and 8+? I know it's early, but please share if there is one for iPhone X.
Being able to sell it used to a Verizon customer is a good reason. There are still a lot of VZN customers.
A1901 is for all GSM carriers in the world. (In the US AT&T + T-mobile + prepaid associates MetroPCS, Cricket, etc). It uses an Intel (I) modem.
A1865 can do the same as the A1909 plus CDMA (Verizon/Sprint). It uses a Qualcomm (Q) modem.
No, there are not specific iPhones optimized for specific networks.
I'll use (I) for Intel and (Q) for Qualcomm.
To answer your questions:
(1) (I) cannot make CDMA modems because Q owns the CDMA patents used by Verizon/Sprint.
Apple has been fighting (Q) (in courts) for its high charges (patents). These fights are a high risk for Apple, hence they brought a 2nd (Intel) supplier to minimize a potential "divorce" risk and be able to negotiate better pricing. These are business/supply chain decisions. This is why Apple has two modems for their iPhones.
(2) Apple claims identical performance (A1901 and A1865)
(3) According to some, (Q) is superior to (I) (modem). In fact, many people claim that Apple reduced the performance of the Q's in order to claim identical performance (Google "Intel vs Qualcomm iPhone performance).
(4) All models have identical battery life, size, weight.
If you think you will use Verizon/Sprint in the future then go for the Verizon version because it is truly unlocked. I've seen that in eBay, Verizon phones have higher demand/better resale prize. If you plan to stay on T-mobile then the official answer from Apple is "all models have the same performance" even though some reports favor the Verizon version.
If I were you, I would get the Verizon version but that's my choice, not Apple's recomendation
Apple sales reps say what they were told to say by Apple marketing -- Apple marketing mandates "Buy the phone that corresponds to your carrier or the SIM free version (which is a (Q) phone)
Makes sense?
A1865 can do the same as the A1909 plus CDMA (Verizon/Sprint). It uses a Qualcomm (Q) modem.
No, there are not specific iPhones optimized for specific networks.
I'll use (I) for Intel and (Q) for Qualcomm.
To answer your questions:
(1) (I) cannot make CDMA modems because Q owns the CDMA patents used by Verizon/Sprint.
Apple has been fighting (Q) (in courts) for its high charges (patents). These fights are a high risk for Apple, hence they brought a 2nd (Intel) supplier to minimize a potential "divorce" risk and be able to negotiate better pricing. These are business/supply chain decisions. This is why Apple has two modems for their iPhones.
(2) Apple claims identical performance (A1901 and A1865)
(3) According to some, (Q) is superior to (I) (modem). In fact, many people claim that Apple reduced the performance of the Q's in order to claim identical performance (Google "Intel vs Qualcomm iPhone performance).
(4) All models have identical battery life, size, weight.
If you think you will use Verizon/Sprint in the future then go for the Verizon version because it is truly unlocked. I've seen that in eBay, Verizon phones have higher demand/better resale prize. If you plan to stay on T-mobile then the official answer from Apple is "all models have the same performance" even though some reports favor the Verizon version.
If I were you, I would get the Verizon version but that's my choice, not Apple's recomendation
Apple sales reps say what they were told to say by Apple marketing -- Apple marketing mandates "Buy the phone that corresponds to your carrier or the SIM free version (which is a (Q) phone)
Makes sense?
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The Apple rep gave you incorrect info.
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You for real?
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Since I got snubbed on my pre-order, and had to go to the apple store anyway, there was no reason to get the Intel version when the Qualcomm was available at the same price.
I was going to Pay In Full anyway.
For me, there is probably a bigger difference than for most, as I live in rural central florida, and there are many places with very spotty coverage ... I've already confirmed that this device works in some places where my intel iPhone 7 does not.
Also, I might at some point switch from T-Mobile to Verizon. I don't know for sure, but I'd like to keep my options open.
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