Tablets ARE coming...but iPad will not dominate

drtyrell

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One cannot claim to be a genius with the declaration that tablet computing will be the wave of the future; CES was clear about this. However, the iPad having been copied purely from the iPhone architecture is not suitably prepared to dominate this market without extensive updating on both the hardware and software sides. Apple has the bank account to make this embarrassing mistake a right from a wrong, but it is clear that the years of product envy have caught up with Steve and company.

The iPhone has 140,000 apps it shouldn't, with 139,000 of them being variations on the flashlight. Developers for the iPhone are leaving the platform in droves due to the promise land of paying off that mortgage and retiring in the Bahamas not quite coming true. The cell provider top 10 lists that plagued developers for years is now a fixed limitation to all developers in the app store...albeit extended to a top 25.

With the rumored Windows tablet that Steve Balmer has been avoiding for months TRULY drawing dropped jaws from Apple devotees, it is clear that Apple missed the mark in nearly every conceivable way. People need to solve problems with devices otherwise they sit and collect dust. iPods are impulsive little gadgets that are cheap enough to buy and forget, and they don't require subscription plans or constant recharging; yet iPhone battery life is the single biggest complaint about the unit. The iPad will undoubtedly fail to sustain a battery life with a giant screen and the GPU pushing tons of pixels per second from hours of constant use. Brace yourself is the frame of mind.

Apple will most likely go with their standard tactic of creating a category that never existed before, classify the iPad in that category and claim victory. Sorta like America holding a Mr. Universe contest and not bothering to invite the other planets.

So far we've had rumors out of Apple that they're already bracing for a poor reception for the device and are preparing to offer lower prices, and subsidies from data carriers for people who are extremely bad at math. I salute those who are willing to take the dive, because as I've said before, you will be helping to finance the unit that the rest of us "hope" will be developed next.

I just hope that bragging about how bad your first unit was is enough to satiate the second degree burns from your wallet.
 

bobob

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If you're getting your news via telegram, you may find it slightly outdated...
 

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I agree. Apple is too arrogant now amd the

ipad is the result. We wanted a computer
but Apple gave us a media reader.
 

netdog

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People who claim that the iPad won't dominate the slate market are going to be looking pretty dumb in a year.

I've got this thread bookmarked. Thanks for that.
 

niuniu

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One cannot claim to be a genius with the declaration that tablet computing will be the wave of the future; CES was clear about this. However, the iPad having been copied purely from the iPhone architecture is not suitably prepared to dominate this market without extensive updating on both the hardware and software sides. Apple has the bank account to make this embarrassing mistake a right from a wrong, but it is clear that the years of product envy have caught up with Steve and company.

The iPhone has 140,000 apps it shouldn't, with 139,000 of them being variations on the flashlight. Developers for the iPhone are leaving the platform in droves due to the promise land of paying off that mortgage and retiring in the Bahamas not quite coming true. The cell provider top 10 lists that plagued developers for years is now a fixed limitation to all developers in the app store...albeit extended to a top 25.

With the rumored Windows tablet that Steve Balmer has been avoiding for months TRULY drawing dropped jaws from Apple devotees, it is clear that Apple missed the mark in nearly every conceivable way. People need to solve problems with devices otherwise they sit and collect dust. iPods are impulsive little gadgets that are cheap enough to buy and forget, and they don't require subscription plans or constant recharging; yet iPhone battery life is the single biggest complaint about the unit. The iPad will undoubtedly fail to sustain a battery life with a giant screen and the GPU pushing tons of pixels per second from hours of constant use. Brace yourself is the frame of mind.

Apple will most likely go with their standard tactic of creating a category that never existed before, classify the iPad in that category and claim victory. Sorta like America holding a Mr. Universe contest and not bothering to invite the other planets.

So far we've had rumors out of Apple that they're already bracing for a poor reception for the device and are preparing to offer lower prices, and subsidies from data carriers for people who are extremely bad at math. I salute those who are willing to take the dive, because as I've said before, you will be helping to finance the unit that the rest of us "hope" will be developed next.

I just hope that bragging about how bad your first unit was is enough to satiate the second degree burns from your wallet.
You know it, I know, a lot of people in the industry know it.

But there's a few million consumers out there for Apple to make a hefty profit of the back of this thing. I'm just miffed that they had the cheek to call it revolutionary at the Keynote. If they just said, here's a fun new product we're expanding our inventory with.. then I'd be cool with it. But it's going to turn into a war of wills now, with Apple trying to convince us that this thing is going to change our lives. And some of you guys are going to cave in ;)
 

applemike

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The iPad will still sell in the millions, think about the people who arent like us, sitting on foums shouting about how bad it is, or what it sould have been.

People who just like technology, (or think they do) will buy it and use it for what it has been made for (web browsing and music listening)

If you want a computer go out and buy a laptop or a desktop, the iPad is purely a media viewing device, not a coding and production machine.

If you really want something, i reccomend the modbook, something ive been eyeing for a while. people only seem to have noticed it now that apples tablet is not what they wanted.

Stop ranting about what you want when its already available

:apple:Mike
 

niuniu

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The iPad will still sell in the millions, think about the people who arent like us, sitting on foums shouting about how bad it is, or what it sould have been.

People who just like technology, (or think they do) will buy it and use it for what it has been made for (web browsing and music listening)

If you want a computer go out and buy a laptop or a desktop, the iPad is purely a media viewing device, not a coding and production machine.

If you really want something, i reccomend the modbook, something ive been eyeing for a while. people only seem to have noticed it now that apples tablet is not what they wanted.

Stop ranting about what you want when its already available

:apple:Mike
Modbook is pretty pricey for a repackaged Mac and doesn't have the refinement to really appeal. We really need Apple to design a proper OS X tablet..
 

maflynn

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Like many other people, I'll be buying one.

I've followed the tablet-pc market for years and it often failed for a variety of reasons. Apple's approach is different, and refreshing, not arrogant. (yes apple is arrogant but their approach with the ipad isn't). They correctly saw that trying to make a tablet computer be a smaller version of a laptop running the same OS isn't going to work. Instead they decided to try for the in between market (between the iPhone & Laptop) Its a gamble, one which they may win or lose. Since the product is not even for sale, we cannot say.

As I mentioned, I'll be getting one because it fills a void. I won't have detach my laptop from the external display, keyboard, mouse, external drives printer, etc when I feel like using it in my living room. I can also read book with it.

Its a good device with a promising future.
 

bobob

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I'm just miffed that they had the cheek to call it revolutionary at the Keynote. If they just said, here's a fun new product we're expanding our inventory with...
Quick Apple - - hire this guy for your marketing department before the competition scoops him up!
 

applemike

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Modbook is pretty pricey for a repackaged Mac and doesn't have the refinement to really appeal. We really need Apple to design a proper OS X tablet..
Basically its a macbook, consolodated into one neat unit, with the basic touch input you expect, where apple to create a tablet (OS X) i think they would create a neat unit, similar to the modbook, but with better applications and software. basically a faster, more usable and most likely Better priced than the modbook.

:apple:Mike
 

applemike

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Dominate what? I market of like 6 viable products? Or maybe a market of 1? :rolleyes:
When people catch on to the fact the people dont need a full OS in a tablet package, theyll begin making products like the iPad.

How long before we see a ZuneXL, or some sort of sony vaio Plus??

^^ Might have to make some sort of rendering of that, would be an interesting product i think.

Apple has opened a new hole, a tablet industry with tablet specific OS's

:apple:Mike
 

Sketh

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The iPhone has 140,000 apps it shouldn't, with 139,000 of them being variations on the flashlight. Developers for the iPhone are leaving the platform in droves due to the promise land of paying off that mortgage and retiring in the Bahamas not quite coming true. The cell provider top 10 lists that plagued developers for years is now a fixed limitation to all developers in the app store...albeit extended to a top 25.
Really? That's funny. I've been reading on all of the major sites that the exact opposite is happening.

http://kotaku.com/5465459/survey-game-devs-walking-away-from-wii-warming-up-to-iphone

And with the sharp increase of app releases, and swift income, I'd say you're just one pissed off techy who thinks they can extend their "deep" philosophy into other people.

Also, why do you think other tablets are coming out with Android, etc, instead of full Windows? Because that's the way companies see this going. Closed Computing is the only viable option for Tablets, not that the iPhone OS doesn't have huge potential still, it does.
 

colmaclean

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Is the iPad a tablet computer? I think not. Don't confuse it with one.

I can understand why people are rather peeved that Apple isn't channelling all its energies into a Mac Tablet. I can also understand why Apple decided upon the iPad instead.

It's a big iPod Touch (with a 3G option) and I want one tomorrow.
 

*LTD*

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One cannot claim to be a genius with the declaration that tablet computing will be the wave of the future; CES was clear about this. However, the iPad having been copied purely from the iPhone architecture is not suitably prepared to dominate this market without extensive updating on both the hardware and software sides. Apple has the bank account to make this embarrassing mistake a right from a wrong, but it is clear that the years of product envy have caught up with Steve and company.

The iPhone has 140,000 apps it shouldn't, with 139,000 of them being variations on the flashlight. Developers for the iPhone are leaving the platform in droves due to the promise land of paying off that mortgage and retiring in the Bahamas not quite coming true. The cell provider top 10 lists that plagued developers for years is now a fixed limitation to all developers in the app store...albeit extended to a top 25.

With the rumored Windows tablet that Steve Balmer has been avoiding for months TRULY drawing dropped jaws from Apple devotees, it is clear that Apple missed the mark in nearly every conceivable way. People need to solve problems with devices otherwise they sit and collect dust. iPods are impulsive little gadgets that are cheap enough to buy and forget, and they don't require subscription plans or constant recharging; yet iPhone battery life is the single biggest complaint about the unit. The iPad will undoubtedly fail to sustain a battery life with a giant screen and the GPU pushing tons of pixels per second from hours of constant use. Brace yourself is the frame of mind.

Apple will most likely go with their standard tactic of creating a category that never existed before, classify the iPad in that category and claim victory. Sorta like America holding a Mr. Universe contest and not bothering to invite the other planets.

So far we've had rumors out of Apple that they're already bracing for a poor reception for the device and are preparing to offer lower prices, and subsidies from data carriers for people who are extremely bad at math. I salute those who are willing to take the dive, because as I've said before, you will be helping to finance the unit that the rest of us "hope" will be developed next.

I just hope that bragging about how bad your first unit was is enough to satiate the second degree burns from your wallet.
iCal'd.

That bit about the killer "rumored Windows tablet" was especially funny. OP assumes the video was referring to a real product. MS can barely get its head out of its ass in the consumer market long enough to push out a Windows version that sucks a little less, never mind churn out something like that in any appreciable timeframe. They barely have a mobile strategy.

Raging geek is raging.
 

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Really? That's funny. I've been reading on all of the major sites that the exact opposite is happening.
A number of notable high profile developers have left (or said they were) because of apple's inconsistent undocumented, uneven, application approval process.

If you want a device to succeed, you need developers to write programs and not it make difficult. While Apple does have the largest inventory of apps in their app-store, dare I say the majority of them are crap. With increased competition, apple needs to be sure to keep people excited for developing on the iphone/ipod touch/ipad platform.
 

Sketh

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A number of notable high profile developers have left (or said they were) because of apple's inconsistent undocumented, uneven, application approval process.

If you want a device to succeed, you need developers to write programs and not it make difficult. While Apple does have the largest inventory of apps in their app-store, dare I say the majority of them are crap. With increased competition, apple needs to be sure to keep people excited for developing on the iphone/ipod touch/ipad platform.
Correction, a small number of high profile developers have left.

Joe Hewitt, fine developer. Really smart guy. Guess what he announced following the iPad keynote? He was back in to develop for it.

All I'm saying is it's not like people are getting bored with it. There's not really another development platform chomping at Apples bit to steal them away from, yet. Android's getting there, but you know how Apple does. Just when people catch up they come out with any new product.
 

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A number of notable high profile developers have left (or said they were) because of apple's inconsistent undocumented, uneven, application approval process.
Which amounts to next to nothing given the many high-profile developers that stayed, and who now want back in, including Joe Hewitt (Facebook.) The iPad offers developers a completely fresh opportunity to once again make money. They aren't going anywhere because the iPad platform is THE platform to develop for now. App Store approval problems are way overrated. Over 140,000 apps and 3 billion downloads. Ship's sinking! LOL
 

bobob

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While Apple does have the largest inventory of apps in their app-store, dare I say the majority of them are crap.
With 140,000 apps, even if 1% are winners, you've still got 1,400 great apps to choose from.
 

flyguy206

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The reason why i love apple is because they are like a good parents they give you what you need and not what we want.
 

audiogates

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Should have posted in crackberry

This would have been a great article in Apple hate land www.crackberry.com.

Anyway I believe like most on here this is Apple and this will sell due to great advertising it's beautiful build and consumer appeal. That alone will help this device be a leader in the Tablet market.
 

lord patton

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I don't normally do this, but... damn!

One cannot claim to be a genius with the declaration that tablet computing will be the wave of the future; CES was clear about this.
Maybe not., Just 'cause Apple's competitors tried to jump on a bandwagon that hadn't even started doesn't mean consumers will buy.

The iPhone has 140,000 apps it shouldn't, with 139,000 of them being variations on the flashlight.
haven't heard that one for awhile. :rolleyes:

Developers for the iPhone are leaving the platform in droves
until you show a source for this claim, I'll continue to think it bananas, thank you very much.

The cell provider top 10 lists that plagued developers for years is now a fixed limitation to all developers in the app store...albeit extended to a top 25.
Marketing and distribution are two different things.

With the rumored Windows tablet that Steve Balmer has been avoiding for months TRULY drawing dropped jaws from Apple devotees, it is clear that Apple missed the mark in nearly every conceivable way.
wtf?

The iPad will undoubtedly fail to sustain a battery life with a giant screen and the GPU pushing tons of pixels per second from hours of constant use.
It will sustain a battery life. Probably a 10 hour one, plus or minus 15%.

Brace yourself is the frame of mind.
Wow. That's barely English.

Apple will most likely go with their standard tactic of creating a category that never existed before, classify the iPad in that category and claim victory.
Standard tactic? When have they ever done that before?

Sorta like America holding a Mr. Universe contest and not bothering to invite the other planets.
ROFLMFAO. America isn't a planet, dude!

I just hope that bragging about how bad your first unit was is enough to satiate the second degree burns from your wallet.
Was this an essay for retard school? You might ameliorate, alleviate, or mitigate the symptoms of a burn, you might apply an unguent or a salve, but you're not going to satiate it.