Tags implementation - time to ditch Yep?

Discussion in 'OS X Mavericks (10.9)' started by timothevs, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. timothevs macrumors 6502

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    Apologies if this has already been asked here. I am contemplating ditching an app I use to organize my scanned documents/receipts- Yep, in favor of waiting for Mavericks.

    However, I am not quite sure how Tags are stored in Mavericks. My fear is that if I reinstall Mavericks or copy a tagged file to another Mac, the tags will essentially disappear. Yep on the other hand, uses OpenMeta and is able to restore the tags when I reinstall ML or copy a previously tagged file back.

    For those in the know, does Mavericks do the same? Thanks!
     
  2. Weaselboy Moderator

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    The tags are part of the file itself and will go with it. Good article here discussing tags.
     
  3. timothevs thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Fantastic! The neat-freak, organize-everything side of me is ecstatic.

    The only thing Yep does, then is to visualize the tags as a cloud - which is pretty helpful, but ultimately not critical to productivity.

    I wonder if the tags are retained if the file is copied to a Windows partition and then copied back.
     
  4. timothevs thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Having updated to Mavericks GM, my verdict of the tag implementation therein - not quite ready. I love that Tagging is front and center, but I would've liked the ability to select multiple tags, for instance "receipts" and "home depot" to get me only the home depot receipts.

    I know one could do that from the search within Finder, but being able to select multiple tags is another thing Yep does, and quite well. Tag clouds is another. So, the verdict - not quite time to ditch Yep.
     
  5. nontroppo macrumors 6502

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    Also note there are already utilities around that will convert OpenMeta tags to Mavericks tags, and the dev of Yep will get his software to auto convert to Mavericks variant:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openmeta/ylffVSn_LFc

    Also note that, annoyingly, Apple haven't made an API for the colour of tags, but that shouldn't be a problem for people coming from openmeta anyway. And according to this:

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/openmeta/DK4Of2QGkpM/KIK9VKaCQdkJ

    There is no idea yet on how tag sync will actually work. OpenMeta is still great as it backs up all tagging metadata just in case.

    There is still a market for metadata tagging managers like Yep, Mavericks native UI is pretty basic as far as tagging features go...
     
  6. fessura macrumors member

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    They're part of the OS X file metadata, like OpenMeta, so nope.

    "tag:tag1 tag:tag2"

    They're stored in a very similar way to OpenMeta so any syncing (like thru Dropbox), or copying files between Macs, will be the same.
     
  7. robgendreau macrumors 68030

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    I'm hoping that now with "official" tags we were actually see more Yep/Leap like applications.

    I think, to answer the OP, that Yep is more an alternative to the Finder than an alternative to tagging. Sheesh, even Tags or Punakea (or Win 7) is better, even with the Mavericks Finder (tabs…finally).

    I've been surprised to see how many Mac users are already dissing Mavericks tags as just labels-plus. Oh well.

    I'm still looking for answers on how they'll interact with email accounts (MailTags can't write them to gmail, at least before). And I haven't even found out if they carry over to iPhoto and Aperture. Perhaps significantly there weren't any image files in their Finder screenshot of tagged files. And do they work in iOS?
     
  8. thirtyeyes macrumors member

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    Tags are now colored dots, any way to get back the entire highlighted line?
     
  9. robgendreau macrumors 68030

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    Not with tags. It more or less replaced the old labels, if that's the "line" you're speaking of.
     
  10. zen macrumors 68000

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    I think they went to the circles, because you can have multiple tags, and you can't show this with the big coloured highlight we used to have.

    But the tags are so buggy that they're pretty useless at the moment anyway.
     
  11. robgendreau macrumors 68030

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    How so?
     
  12. zen macrumors 68000

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    I'm having various issues with filenames not being updated, tags not showing up, or showing up incorrect (labeled as the colours, rather than custom tags, for instance).

    I've posted a few examples:

    Post 1, post 2, post 3.
     
  13. timothevs thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Sorry to resurrect an older thread. But thanks to the posters who've added their $0.02 to the discussion.

    After playing with Mavericks for about a week, it is really clear - nope, it isn't time to ditch Yep at all. Actually, Yep saved my neck!

    <rant>
    Yep seemed to work well the first time I tried it in Mavericks. I had tagged a few PDFs with Mavericks, and a few with Yep. Yep read the Mavericks tags and vice versa. I tagged some 1200 files in total, creating some 190 tags.

    After facing horrible performance issues with Mavericks, I decided to reinstall Mavericks from scratch. I backed up all my data and installed Mavericks, choosing to download all my Tagged files from Dropbox. Little did I know that Dropbox does NOT sync extended attributes. UGH! All my files came back in, with one tag, the color "Red" or "Green". etc. I was beyond upset at myself.

    But when I installed the Yep app, it restored all my tags from the metadata store it maintains, independent of the underlying OS, and presto, all my tags are back!
    </end rant>

    I do also love the visualization in a tag cloud. The ability to search by tags quickly and choose multiple tags, that just seals the deal.

    That said, it isn't perfect yet. With Yep, I continue to see bugs in the implementation - some tags are not transferred over to Mavericks, tags continue to disappear sometimes, and a restart of the program will restore them.

    I also hope that they will update their UI. It kind of looks a bit dated.
     

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