MP 7,1 Tahoe on 7,1 is intentionally set up as "Planned Obsolescence"

[SDAVE]

I've been a Mac user for over 20 years and never believed this, but now I am beginning to realize this is true.

On a $25,000 (used to be) Mac Pro, 26.2 Tahoe runs like trash. Mind you, this is a production machine.

It runs like a Pentium 4, really boggles my mind that Apple would go this far to make Tahoe useless.

I will be downgrading to Sequoia after backing up my files.

I've never seen any version of macOS run like this, especially on a high end and VERY capable machine like this. I literally cannot get any work done in Adobe suite. Constant stuttering, beachballs, you name it.

 

[keksikuningas]

Yeah from videos I've seen online, in worst case scenarios it runs worse than Sequoia or Sonoma do on a cMP, which is just mind-boggling.

i wouldn't put something like this past Apple. Maybe they want to force the pros to move to AS Mac Studio or the new Mac Pro 🤔

 

[SDAVE]

Yeah from videos I've seen online, in worst case scenarios it runs worse than Sequoia or Sonoma do on a cMP, which is just mind-boggling.

i wouldn't put something like this past Apple. Maybe they want to force the pros to move to AS Mac Studio or the new Mac Pro 🤔

Insane that they pulled this move. Besides liquid glass (which I disabled) there's nothing else in Tahoe that requires this much bugginess and slow downs on an Intel MP (which is still supported).

Tahoe runs fine on my M1 Max.

Corporate greed really did a number on Apple.

 

[kitKAC]

What year is a 7,1?

 

[keksikuningas]

What year is a 7,1?

2019. you can see in OP's signature or by googling it

 

[kitKAC]

2019. you can see in OP's signature or by googling it

I've got signatures switched off, and people shouldn't need to google for extra info when it can be easily put into the post. Thanks for the clarficiation.

 

[avro707]

What year is a 7,1?

2022 for mine, one of them ordered brand new from Apple at big cost. The other wasn't cheap either. I wouldn't put it past Apple to deliberately slow down these machines.

I literally cannot get any work done in Adobe suite. Constant stuttering, beachballs, you name it.

I have Adobe Creative Suite on this one and no issues like that, other than the irritations of the account sign-in process which has high security on it (not the usual Adobe account sign-in).

 

[Bigwaff]

2022 for mine, one of them ordered brand new from Apple at big cost.

You may have purchased in 2022, but it is still the 2019 model.

I've been a Mac user for over 20 years and never believed this, but now I am beginning to realize this is true.

As for “planned obsolescence”, it doesn’t get more “planned” then the announcement macOS 26 would be the last macOS to support Intel. Anyone who thinks Apple would leave the Intel era providing the best version of macOS for Intel possible, hasn’t been paying attention for the last decade. There was no surprise here.

 

[SDAVE]

2022 for mine, one of them ordered brand new from Apple at big cost. The other wasn't cheap either. I wouldn't put it past Apple to deliberately slow down these machines.



I have Adobe Creative Suite on this one and no issues like that, other than the irritations of the account sign-in process which has high security on it (not the usual Adobe account sign-in).

I do heavy work in all Adobe software, not sure how your work flow is.

But it definitely runs horribly on Tahoe

 

[Abydos]

not really surprised , my 2019 is much slower under os15 than the os it shipped with, I'm not sure if its a data bus issue, or processor speed-data bus issue (os's tend to be written for the current state of the art hardware with replacement cycles as short as they ae now expect older hardware to run slowly when upgraded to the latest os- just a fact of life I guess). I suspect I will have to replace my system in a year or so

 

[avkills]

Adobe's website does not even want us running Creative Cloud on Sequoia. 🤷‍♂️

I generally do not update my machines unless I know Adobe Apps play nice. (thank you for all the early adopters who suffer)

Apple is known for changing how APIs work and behave on major OS updates. Very annoying for the developers I imagine.

 

[8483011]

I always find this take humorous. Just because YOUR computer stopped running well after an update, (not to mention the infinate number of variables that could affect your Mac performance) doesn't mean Apple has it out for you lol. Apple has literally nothing to gain by artificially throttling your device down and making it run bad on purpose. And I would muich quicker jump down Adobes throat, their software consistently doesn't play nice on new OS's or after updates, and are much more often the source of problems.

 

[avro707]

As for “planned obsolescence”, it doesn’t get more “planned” then the announcement macOS 26 would be the last macOS to support Intel

It runs slower on my M2 MacBook Air as well compared to Seqouia that it had originally.

I mentioned mine were 2022 because there is this habit of folks here to say that a machine is old the moment it becomes a few years old. There wasn’t anything else that could handle my needs at the time - Apple still doesn’t have anything.

Just also wondering who in this topic has a 7,1 Mac Pro, aside from the obvious ones.

Apple has literally nothing to gain by artificially throttling your device down and making it run bad on purpose

Oh I could think of one benefit, those folks who purchased expensive early model M devices (top Mac Studio, etc) could be forced to retire those more quickly and buy new ones at significant $$$ for Apple. No, Apple would never do that, it is always an angel, right?

 

[8483011]

It runs slower on my M2 MacBook Air as well compared to Seqouia that it had originally.

I mentioned mine were 2022 because there is this habit of folks here to say that a machine is old the moment it becomes a few years old. There wasn’t anything else that could handle my needs at the time - Apple still doesn’t have anything.

Just also wondering who in this topic has a 7,1 Mac Pro, aside from the obvious ones.




Oh I could think of one benefit, those folks who purchased expensive early model M devices (top Mac Studio, etc) could be forced to retire those more quickly and buy new ones at significant $$$ for Apple. No, Apple would never do that, it is always an angel, right?

Right, because nothing would convince someone that they should buy another Apple computer more then having their current device **** the bed for no reason. I'm not sure who's talking about angels, but it's not me

 

[avkills]

I always find this take humorous. Just because YOUR computer stopped running well after an update, (not to mention the infinate number of variables that could affect your Mac performance) doesn't mean Apple has it out for you lol. Apple has literally nothing to gain by artificially throttling your device down and making it run bad on purpose. And I would muich quicker jump down Adobes throat, their software consistently doesn't play nice on new OS's or after updates, and are much more often the source of problems.

Well the reason for this is because Apple likes to change the way they do things all the time. More than likely it is because of the new UI elements in liquid glass.

 

[8483011]

Well the reason for this is because Apple likes to change the way they do things all the time. More than likely it is because of the new UI elements in liquid glass.

The UI of CC isn't updated to reflect LG at all, they just have a history of being really slow about supporting new major releases (Their documentation was only updated in the past couple of weeks to officially list Tahoe support), and their refusal to support common technologies like network storage/SMBs is where most of the issues with Adobe stem from.

 

[Timpetus]

Right, because nothing would convince someone that they should buy another Apple computer more then having their current device **** the bed for no reason. I'm not sure who's talking about angels, but it's not me

My take on it is the eternal classic: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

 

[8483011]

My take on it is the eternal classic: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

100% the right take

 

[Canubis]

Thanks, I wasn't planning to upgrade my 7,1 anytime soon, but now I am pretty sure I'll stick to Sequoia for a long time – if that's the last OS for that Mac, I am fine with it as well.

 

[Abydos]

Thank, I wasn't planning to upgrade my 7,1 anytime soon, but now I am pretty sure I'll stick to Sequoia for a long time – if that's the last OS for that Mac, I am fine with it as well.

no problem with that, I generally have a minimal mba for investments/banking/taxes

 

[-BigMac-]

Apple has literally nothing to gain by artificially throttling your device down and making it run bad on purpose.

Not sure if serious

 

[jabbawok]

My 2019 i9 MacBook Pro runs like trash on sequoia. I don’t think it’s intentional, just zero effort put into x86 hardware. I hang on to it for virtualising windows, but my M4 mini runs windows on arm VMs with x86 windows apps almost as well so I think I’ll get a M5 pro Arm MacBook to replace it soon. Windows on arm used to be rubbish when it came to the x86 apps I run, but now they work pretty well.

 

[chabig]

I do heavy work in all Adobe software, not sure how your work flow is.

But it definitely runs horribly on Tahoe

I know you spend $25K on that Mac. But tech marches forward. Today, you can probably get better performance on a sub $1000 Mac Mini M4.

 

[johnrlaporta]

Totally anecdotal, but my 2020 27” iMac runs all of the above just fine.

 

[8483011]

Not sure if serious

I know what I said, and I was serious. If this was a widespread problem, nobody would buy a Mac anymore. Planned obscelecense is largly a myth in tech, that is only compounded by technical advances that just makes everyone FEEL like they're getting the short straw. My 2012 MacBook Pro still works just fine, Apple isn't putting a hit out on me to get me to upgrade either.