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Using Apple products, at all, is a first world thing
not really, anymore. price things out, it's a pretty-level playing field in 2025...

using apple products is a choice, just like everything else. and like everything else, we all have our own thoughts about what's great or not great. same as PC users, ppl running linux, ppl living on smartphones. etc.
 
not really, anymore. price things out, it's a pretty-level playing field in 2025...

using apple products is a choice, just like everything else. and like everything else, we all have our own thoughts about what's great or not great. same as PC users, ppl running linux, ppl living on smartphones. etc.
In the US, using Apple is a very level playing field as you can have an iPhone for free on the big 3 carriers. Prepaid offer a ton of switching offers. I just saw an AD for Boost Mobile, iPhone 15 for 199.99 when switching. I have friends across the world and using Apple is harder since they pay full price. I can guarantee if we had to pay full in the US, most people would be on used iPhones and or Android.

Have you seen the price of electronics in Brazil for instance. I had to send my buddy and his mate the 16e from here or it would have been a diabolical amount more bought out there.
 
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not really, anymore. price things out, it's a pretty-level playing field in 2025...

using apple products is a choice, just like everything else. and like everything else, we all have our own thoughts about what's great or not great. same as PC users, ppl running linux, ppl living on smartphones. etc.

Maybe you didn't understand what I meant re: iPhones and First vs Third world country usage.
Let me try again with visuals.

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If I’m being completely honest, I haven’t paid any attention to the icons at all. If someone had asked me what, say, the contacts icon looks like and told me to describe it from memory, I honestly wouldn’t have been able to remember what it looks like.
 
The main one that truly blows my mind is the drive icon. The perspective is objectively incorrect. We are clearly looking at the front of the object, but the back is... wider somehow? What is happening here?

I know it's "just" an icon, but it really makes you question what's going at Apple, a famously detail-oriented company, for them to release something this aggressively wrong.
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I know it's "just" an icon, but it really makes you question what's going at Apple, a famously detail-oriented company, for them to release something this aggressively wrong.

I totally agree with you.

Meanwhile, in another thread I have people telling me it doesn’t even matter if Apple gets the shadows wrong on their graphics.

Folks, if we drop the bar so low you can trip on it, we end up with some pretty crap products eventually.
 
I totally agree with you.

Meanwhile, in another thread I have people telling me it doesn’t even matter if Apple gets the shadows wrong on their graphics.

Folks, if we drop the bar so low you can trip on it, we end up with some pretty crap products eventually.
It just makes you wonder: if something this visible and out in the open is being crapped out without thought or care, then what kind of neglect and half-assedness is happening behind the scenes?
 
It just makes you wonder: if something this visible and out in the open is being crapped out without thought or care, then what kind of neglect and half-assedness is happening behind the scenes?

Yep… 100%

Here’s that post if you’re curious.
I didn’t even really address the additional inaccuracies if we focus on the 26 logo itself, in terms of where lighting appears to be in the scene, and what that should do to the 3D elements of the logo.

 
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I don’t understand how Apple chooses when/when not to use glass as the primary material in an icon.

The guitar on GarageBand look fairly lifelike and you could be hard pressed to say it was constructed from ‘glass’ materials; yet the envelope on Mail looks nothing like paper.

Why does the SD card icon actually represent an SD card, yet the internal drive be a generic metal canister on a weird angle?
 
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I hate to be that guy, but this is the kind of stuff that would have Steve throwing the phone at the wall or taking a baseball bat to the Mac. Where’s the attention to detail? A lot of it just seems like change for changes sake.
then why be that guy? am pretty sure you're aware that your opinion about what Steve would do is just your opinion.

my opinion is, Steve would think "this is a brilliant new design. why are people so afraid of moving forward?" 🤔
 
my opinion is, Steve would think "this is a brilliant new design. why are people so afraid of moving forward?" 🤔
Because Steve knew that it is not enough to be different; it has to be better.

Android mentality, on the other hand, is that whatever is new and flashy is automatically better than its predecessor, virtue of simply being ‘new’.
 
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Because Steve knew that it is not enough to be different; it has to be better.

Android mentality, on the other hand, is that whatever is new and flashy is automatically better than its predecessor, virtue of simply being ‘new’.
exactly! "Steve knew that it is not enough to be different; it has to be better."

in the opinion of some, it is better. for others, it isn't. and that's all there is... lots of different opinions.

no one here (or anywhere) can speak for Jobs, or anyone else.
 
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Paul Kafasis with a wonderful breakdown, icon by icon.

Some of my favorites:

Contact’s icons old and new

The left-side tabs on the old Contacts icon were odd, but this new icon is even odder.
Is the cover of that book made of glass?
Font Book’s icons old and new

Hey, look, it’s Contacts, but far worse! This no longer looks like a book at all.
It’s just a gray “a” blob.
Preview’s icons old and new

Look at the beautiful photorealistic glass on the loupe in the old Preview icon.
They sucked the soul out of it, and ironically, the new Liquid Glass version barely looks like a loupe at all.
All three could be fixed quite easily and quite possibly will be as Apple tweaks some of the design decisions it made with Liquid Glass.

1) Contacts - Reintroduce the missing fourth tab. The people look terrible compared to previous silhouettes, but I suspect Apple won’t reintroduce the more “realistic” ones back into the mix.

2) FontBook - Currently a readability abomination, it really just need to have the four “A”s put back into it and it would help usability immensely. Also, a slightly darker background for those “A”s would introduce better contrast for the whole icon.

3) Preview - Go back to the old design, ditch the border around the photo or make it thinner and glassier and move the loupe inside the squircle. The Liquid Glass loupe’s perspective is just “wrong” visually even if it’s correct techinically. The darker glass portion of the LG loupe looks weird compared to the rest of it and overall it should look more realistic instead of like a child’s plaything.

Apple will make adjustments and tweaks over the next year to fix some of the more egregious problems, but LG is here to stay. Learn to love it or tolerate it, this are your options.
 
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Not only do the application icons convey less information than they used to, as others in this thread have pointed out, but Mac apps rarely get updated with useful feature enhancements these days. Gone are the days when software was exciting and becoming more capable with each new release. Instead, new software updates seem to cause more problems than they solve.
 
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There is no real right and wrong.
Wrong lol
a return to skeuomorphism,
Right lol
don't really look at icons so don't really care
Apple use to back in the day and those little things separated it from the box world of Windows but that was back in the day lol.
To me, the Mac is a tool,
And a car is a tool but yet people buy one with color appeal and only see it getting in and out, lol. I went from a dull looking Performa to an exciting looking Cube and still on a 27" 2015 iMac. Yeah, Apple use to think there was nothing wrong about design, think different use to be a good ad eh back in the day.
 
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