Taking back new MBP because it wont run Vista

Discussion in 'Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac' started by okrelayer, Oct 29, 2008.

  1. okrelayer macrumors 6502a

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    Welp folks. My friend whom just bought the new MBP (a day or two after i did) has been trying for a few weeks to install Vista 64bit on his MBP over bootcamp. It installed fine, he got loads of blue screens. It said something about the drivers. So he rolled back the drivers, installed drivers from those 3rd party websites, the sound on Vista was screwed up, vista was running laggy with the new drivers, it would freeze up.

    Basicly my friend spent his entire first week with the MBP on Vista. He spent a very small amount of time on OSX. 90/10 percent ratio. Im not sure what he was hopeing out of a MBP, but its stupid to spend the money on an Apple Computer and not use OSX..

    He has like one bit of software he likes in Windows. Nero. I dont think he has any ambition to learn OSX. Anyways. He is taking back the MBP today, and he said he is going to buy a Sony. I think this will be better for him, and me. He obviously loves Microsoft, so he'll get a notebook that is made to run the software. I can now stop hearing him complain about his MBP.

    Atleast im happy with my MBP!
     
  2. hunterjoules macrumors member

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    Well the illuminated Apple logo on the top of laptop is pretty darn sexy, and it's compatible with any operating system.
     
  3. Newgy macrumors newbie

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    Sounds a lot more like a user error than hardware problem. I've never had a problem with Vista, or XP. They both worked fine. But now, I have no desire to use them. Why would you buy an apple and then want it to run Windows? It's so gross and messy. I can understand if you need the laptop to run Windows because of a job, or being an engineer in college (a lot of our engineering majors need them), but to buy an Apple product just to install Windows, is just flat out stupid. Go spend less of your money on a cheaper laptop that can run Windows fine. If you don't want Apple quality, then go out and get a Windows-based laptop. Apples are built to run predominately on OS X, not Windows, although they are now beginning to be done so for a more Windows platform, PCs aren't built to run OS X very well... So just keep that in mind.

    Again, I've never had a problem with Vista. Maybe you should try a new version, or maybe you should just switch over to 32bit.
     
  4. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    oh I agree. The form factor on an Apple laptop is incredible. Definitly Sleak hip and cool. But, if I did not like the OS, the chances of me spending the premium for a Mac would be slim.

    Im not sure why he had so many problems installing Vista.
     
  5. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I think the problem with Vista is the new Nvidea graphics card that comes with the new MacBook Pro. Hes a very interesting person. I think he is really into the design of Vista, and has ZERO ambition to learn a new OS. -sigh-
     
  6. Newgy macrumors newbie

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    Then why buy a MacBook Pro? You could get an HP Pavillion with much much better graphics for under $1,000. But instead, he would rather get a MBP? And he doesn't even want the OS? That makes no sense. Part of the amount that you pay for an Apple product is the quality of the software.

    Vista is nice looking compared to XP. But it's still nothing compared to Leopard. I wouldn't switch back in a million years. I love the layout of OS X. The only time I have ever switched to my Vista partition is to play PC games, which isn't much on a standard MacBook.

    It's really too bad that you're friend can't just go the extra 10 feet and learn OS X. It's really not difficult at all, and it makes so much more sense with how it runs. No more needing trick commands and losing system files and all that... AND NO MORE .DLL ERRORS! You have no idea how happy that made me when I realized that it doesn't happen. :)

    Mac's are just more strudy that PCbuilt machines. Tell your friend to give him some time... Or, don't mention that he only has 14 days to return him and then make him stuck with it :). Also, 32 bit will work much better on the MBP. 64 bit can work on MBP, but not as well as 32 bit. I don't know the specifics on why, something in the CPU. But most applications aren't on 64 bit, so there shouldn't be that much of a problem
     
  7. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    iv been trying to talk to him the last few days. He called me right before i posted this thread to say that Hes sending it back, and is planning on buying a Sony (since they have the chicklet keyboard).

    My First computer was a Macintosh (in the year 1995 maybe?) then iv went back and forth between Macs and Windows based PCS. OSX and Leopard are EONS away from where Vista, and XP is at. I can understand some things not making sense when you have been useing Windows your entire life, but i wish he would have atleast given it a week on OSX.. no switching to Vista.. just STAY on Leopard.

    Ah well. Hes going to be happier with a nice bright moniter (as good or better than the MBP), and him being able to run Vista. And he can save a few bucks to.

    I give him maybe 3 months of running into Vista problems, before he re-thinks his decision to not give an honest try to the Mac OS.

    last thing i'll add. I asked him " would you get another mac after you take back this" and he said "I dont think so, I am fed up with Apple". I asked " how many problems have you had on Leopard since you got the Mac, and he said "well, none "

    my point exactly.
     
  8. MacHipster macrumors 6502

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    The drivers he needs are on the disk that came with his MBP.
     
  9. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It wouldnt work. Hes installing and re-installed Vista a few times already. He went through the bootcamp method. Ejected the Vista disc, but in the Mac drivers disk installed that, restarted. The computer would run smooth for a little bit, then get a blue screen with an error code that mentioned nvida.sys of some sort.

    I wonder if this is normal for the new MacBook Pros when trying to install windows. Anyone install any form of Windows and not running into any of these problems on the new MacBook Pros?

    I will install my windows xp, or maybe buy Vista at some point just so i can have the best of both worlds, but i am in no rush, and i would like all the problems to be ironed out before i jump into it.
     
  10. ajpl macrumors regular

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    Matter of opinion, usually dolloped with a heathy dose of bias. OSX has plenty of stupidities and inconsistencies too. Windows simply has a different set of oddities and plenty of things that are easy on a PC, yet are fiddly/unintuitive/difficult on a Mac.

    .DLL errors? Don't recall getting any of them. Not lost any system files either. Though I do keep losing entire hard drives with 850G+ of data on them with Finder, which thankfully usually refinds them after a reboot. Not to mention general flakiness and having to reinstall OSX every couple of months to try and debug the wretched machine.
    I'm also curious as to what these trick commands are that you mention.
     
  11. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    It seems the Late 2008 MacBook Pros are having some troubles with the nVidia drivers. What third party drivers did they try?
     
  12. ajpl macrumors regular

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    I currently use both XP and Leopard and quite frankly see very little real difference between the two when it comes down to working with either OS, bar Finder, which seems like a programme from 1992 and which slows things down considerably for me when file managing.
    Not exactly a trivial thing either, as file mangement is the most important thing you can do on a computer as if you make mistakes it's potentially catastrophic.
     
  13. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    anyone have a link to the correct drivers he should be useing. Maybe his problem is with the NVidea graphics card? I may install Vista64 on my Mac just to see if i am seeing the same issues.
     
  14. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    I'd give LaptopVideo2Go a try.
     
  15. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    where at on that website can i find the drivers?
     
  16. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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  17. okrelayer thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    thanks a lot. He told me he tried that Driver but it freezes a bit. Not a full freeze but a bit of a jig. And he has sound issues every 30 seconds or so lmao.

    I am going to try to install Vista64 on my new MacBook Pro and see if maybe the problems are because of his computer, or his user errors!

    Why wouldnt the drivers that Apple gave us work?
     
  18. sapota macrumors member

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    Has ur friend heard of vmware fusion or parallels? Unless he wants to run 3d games (vista 64 bit is not 3d game friendly anyways); why wud anyone want vista 64 bit on bootcamp?????

    I was planning on running bootcamp...Now after reading the forums, I have decided to just use vmware fusion (or parallels ) currently evaluating both.

    I am new to OSX. Its got plenty of features to keep me happy. once in a while, I would have to use a virtual windows XP to stream wmv video or something like that (flip4mac does not work very well in some cases). I also have VPN software thats windoze only.

    Now netflix is offering streaming video on a mac (havent tried that yet). But the tipping point has been reached..Vista was poorly handled. XP is still good. Buts its mostly not microsofts fault...its the 3rd party driver & compatibility issues that will continue to dogg microsoft. BTW did u hear that HP & sony are trying to come up with their own OS. Go figure.
     
  19. phobic99 macrumors 6502a

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    Just wanted to say that most PC gamers actually prefer Vista-64 bit over 32 bit. I use Vista 64 on my gaming desktop and it works like a charm. I'm planning on using the 32 bit version for when I install boot camp however. I just got my new macbook today. ;)
     

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