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Talk me out of buying a Dell XPS ONE 27 Touch All-in-one Desktop

1) Is this video card better than imac?

no, the 680mx is still way better
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/inde...&compare=geforce-gtx-680mx-vs-geforce-gt-750m

2) Is this screen any different? How does this new screen compare to the imac?
according to reviews, the screen is pretty glossy - the new iMac has a layer to help cut down on reflections. i'm currently using in a sunny room and have no problems.
touch screen is pointless. it's a gimmick. if it's in the living room as you suggest, you're probably not sitting close enough to touch it.
if it's on a desk, then gravity is your problem. why would you want to hold your arm up all the time when mouse and keyboard work so well?
and finally, all those lovely finger marks on your glossy screen? those will look just great.

3) Does this change anyone's mind?
no.
 
OP, I'm not sure if you have much experience with a touch screen desktop machine, but I can assure you it's a horrible experience. And the larger your screen is, the further you will likely sit from it, making it even worse. I have a 25" HP Touchsmart and while it was "neat" for a day or two, the following years of hating everytime someone touched my screen made me never want a touch screen computer again.

People talk about Gorilla Arms from holding heavy iPads sometimes, but that's nothing compared to extending your arm throughout your computer time to touch a screen when you probably have keyboard and mouse in an ergonomic location already. Touch is fine for tablets and phones, but makes no sense on a desktop computer. And with a HD screen you'll probably want nothing more than to keep it pristine looking in appearance.

And if you want me to talk you out of a Dell, I haven't ever owned one that lasted or that was durable, plus they do not hold much value over their lives. An iMac will still retain much of its value for years. Total ownership cost is much lower on the iMac due to the retained value on the back end.

Not bashing Dell because many have great experiences with their equipment, particularly their business machines. I, unfortunately (for my bank account), have not.
 
tkjazzer said:
4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770S processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
16GB1 DDR3L at MHz
2TB 7200 rpm SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive + 32GB mSATA Solid State DriveBP
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2GB DDR5 with TPM V1.2
27 inch LED Backlit Touch Display with IPS/Anti Glare and Adobe RGB QHD resolution (2560 X 1440)
1 Year Enhanced Support - America's Best Standard Support

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-27-2720-aio/pd

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New questions:
1) Is this video card better than imac?
2) Is this screen any different? How does this new screen compare to the imac?
3) Does this change anyone's mind?

I'm thinking about buying one once I save a little more money. Why doesn't the imac come in touch? I think Dell is going to make a killing with this machine.
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the video card "GT 750 is im guessing clocked a little lower than the base iMac 27". the iMac comes with GTX750M with 1GB while the Dell's comes with 2GB. So i would say Dell has a better one on this one so far. They both have the same resolution but i've heard the iMac's screen is very nice, and I personally haven't seen the XPS.
anyway, if you can stand windows 8 and windows 8 only, I'd go for it. The same specs you have minus the SSD comes at $2,549 On the iMac. What does the price come up on the XPS? I would go for an iMac only because of OSX, yes you can run hackintosh but i rather go official. And the design of the iMac beats any company out there :)
 
tkjazzer said:
Why doesn't the imac come in touch? I think Dell is going to make a killing with this machine.
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The iMac doesn't come in touch because many times Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, and Jony Ive have all said that research and practice demonstrates to them that touchscreen on a desktop environment OS(laptops and desktops) is not sustainable. Sony did a better job by making an AIO that you could swivel down to make it a giant tablet(but that just makes it a giant tablet).

Other posters have already said why a touchscreen on a desktop doesn't work, and I agree completely. As of right now the imac is the best AIO on the market.

And yes, Dell might make a killing with that machine as far as publicity for other products, but the touchscreen AIOs in general are a bad use of the touch technology and will always make it a good presentation device as opposed to a daily use device. I think most of the people that end up buying one of those will end up selling it(or trying to) within a year to try and fund an iMac purchase when they could have had the imac to begin with.
 
It's a Dell, so it will begin to fall apart just as the warranty runs out. No really, the plastic shell will start to expand and contract with the heat of the machine (I assume they're still making the all-in-ones out of plastic? I know they used to).
 
c1phr said:
It's a Dell, so it will begin to fall apart just as the warranty runs out. No really, the plastic shell will start to expand and contract with the heat of the machine (I assume they're still making the all-in-ones out of plastic? I know they used to).
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Yes, they're still plastic.
 
tkjazzer said:
EDIT: see below, Dell just updated the computer to Haswell and improved the video card (June 2013)
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I loved my apple products from 2006 until about 2010ish.
2006 MBP, Iphones 2g, 3gs

But after Android Nexus S (and now nexus 4), I started getting disenchanting with Apple.

Then Microsoft Surface RT dropped and I love it. So much so that I'm debating getting a All-in-one for the living room that has touch screen. Any limitation with Windows RT can be solved with Team Viewer and tunneling back to your home PC to run something you can't run on an ARM device.

Thinking the fully loaded one. 16 gb ram etc

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-one-27-2710-aio-t/pd

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414481,00.asp

I'm on the edge...
Please give me your opinion on this device. I will likely still buy a MacBook Pro when Haswell drops (if no USB 3.0 bugs) and MacBook air when ULV haswell comes out.

I need to always have windows around for medical software; however citrix may make this less of an issue in the future.

I was thinking a touch screen windows 8 device would be fun for entertaining. A living room piece.

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Edit see below - June 2013
Dell just updated the video card and added Haswell processors.

How does this change the buying decision making?

4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770S processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
16GB1 DDR3L at MHz
2TB 7200 rpm SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive + 32GB mSATA Solid State DriveBP
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2GB DDR5 with TPM V1.2
27 inch LED Backlit Touch Display with IPS/Anti Glare and Adobe RGB QHD resolution (2560 X 1440)
1 Year Enhanced Support - America's Best Standard Support
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If you don't want an iMac then why not this...

http://uk.asus.com/Allinone_PCs/27_inch/ET2702IGTH/
 
LaunchpadBS said:
If you don't want an iMac then why not this...

http://uk.asus.com/Allinone_PCs/27_inch/ET2702IGTH/
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That machine looks pretty awesome, but since it looks like a mockup instead of an actual production model, it seems like something that will not stay the same after the announcement of new hardware/software by Apple. It's also difficult to decide on the machine due to the fact that there is no price on it for any of the configurations(at least not on that site).
 
tkjazzer said:
The Lenovo A730 lies flat.

How does this change the argument for touch screen desktop?

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops/ideacentre/a-series/a730/

How does the Lenovo AIO A730 compare with the Dell XPS AIO 2720?

How does Lenovo A730 compare with IMac?
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I don't think that changes the argument at all. I think Lenovo is fully aware that maintaining a touchscreen desktop environment when the machine is set up as a desktop is not realistic. SO they manufactured a product that would turn into a giant tablet. The only problem with that is that the giant tablet is not portable.
 
Dell has a good return policy. If you're this unsure, just go ahead and buy one and try it out.

However, I think I agree with the previous posters that a touchscreen desktop is probably less useful than you think. I do, however, think a touchscreen laptop is a good idea. The Dell XPS 12 is on my short list for something to replace my iPad and netbook.
 
notjustjay said:
Dell has a good return policy. If you're this unsure, just go ahead and buy one and try it out.

However, I think I agree with the previous posters that a touchscreen desktop is probably less useful than you think. I do, however, think a touchscreen laptop is a good idea. The Dell XPS 12 is on my short list for something to replace my iPad and netbook.
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I have a Dell XPS touch screen laptop and unfortunately the touch screen often stops working/freezes up, this doesn't seem to be a hardware issue as much as a software issue so hopefully it will be fixed with win 8 updates.
 
What difference will it make to any of us here what you buy. It's your hard earned money do what you like with it. Do you normally go on to forums and ask people to talk you out of things you're thinking of buying?
I wouldn't go on to a windows forum and say talk me out of buying this 27" iMac.
 
Dell is low quality stuff. Windows is beyond junk. I'm amazed so many people put up with it.

To me it's a no-brainer:

Lenovo ThinkPad running Ubuntu
or
MacBook Pro

MacBook/Lenovo-Ubuntu each has negatives/positives over the other. But with a Dell running windows it's nothing but negatives.
 
looking at one also...

got a deal offer on a loaded 3 month old one (16GB, etc.) with ivy bridge i7 for $850. at that price it's hard to say no... i'd likely take out the spinning drive and put in an ssd.

going to see it tomorrow anyway... but still considering a big imac.
 
bitkahuna said:
got a deal offer on a loaded 3 month old one (16GB, etc.) with ivy bridge i7 for $850. at that price it's hard to say no... i'd likely take out the spinning drive and put in an ssd.

going to see it tomorrow anyway... but still considering a big imac.
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At that price it seems easy to say no. I would ask why the person wants to sell their 3-month old AIO that was originally more than $2k for 60% off.

Either they realized that it wasn't worth the money or they realized that another machine was better. Or it could also be that the machine just sucks and need to offload it before it decreases in value even further. Something just seems very wrong about that deal.
 
More than the hardware -- it's difficult to truly mess up a desktop these days -- I would consider the software on each of these machines to be a critical factor.

Mac OS X 10.8 is nice, and a lot of the software on it is good, but I'm (personally) more familiar with (and appreciative of) the way Windows has done things, and some of the Microsoft software and other tools on Windows.

In my mind, it'd be more about whether or not Mac OS X 10.9 and Windows 8.1 is going to be better, since dev previews of these are out now and tomorrow, respectively, and each of these does tweak the UX a little bit.

If OP decides that Windows is the way to go, on the hardware side of things, I'd be looking more at what tasks are desired. The XPS 8500 or even a business-focused system like an OptiPlex may be a better choice if things like GPU performance really are paramount, or if having multiple drives or other expansion is important.

The other thing is that if you're really looking for a big touch PC, there are several touch monitors (including at least one from Dell) which you can connect to a tower, which could give you some additional choice in which GPU and other guts you have.

If you just want a good Windows system that you can take out of the box, plop on a desk and start working with, and you have a budget big enough to support the XPS 27, then it's certainly a good looking system.
 
Kissaragi said:
If you like windows 8 then go for it.
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This is the real decision right here, if you like Windows then i would say go for it but if you are like many of us and would rather die an agonizing death then own a windows machine for personal use then perhaps an iMac would be a better choice.
 
So you're disenchanted with Apple; your gear is Android and Windows and you're posting on MACrumors?

Sheesh!!
 
tkjazzer said:
EDIT: see below, Dell just updated the computer to Haswell and improved the video card (June 2013)
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I loved my apple products from 2006 until about 2010ish.
2006 MBP, Iphones 2g, 3gs

But after Android Nexus S (and now nexus 4), I started getting disenchanting with Apple.

Then Microsoft Surface RT dropped and I love it. So much so that I'm debating getting a All-in-one for the living room that has touch screen. Any limitation with Windows RT can be solved with Team Viewer and tunneling back to your home PC to run something you can't run on an ARM device.

Thinking the fully loaded one. 16 gb ram etc

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-one-27-2710-aio-t/pd

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414481,00.asp

I'm on the edge...
Please give me your opinion on this device. I will likely still buy a MacBook Pro when Haswell drops (if no USB 3.0 bugs) and MacBook air when ULV haswell comes out.

I need to always have windows around for medical software; however citrix may make this less of an issue in the future.

I was thinking a touch screen windows 8 device would be fun for entertaining. A living room piece.

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Edit see below - June 2013
Dell just updated the video card and added Haswell processors.

How does this change the buying decision making?

4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770S processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
16GB1 DDR3L at MHz
2TB 7200 rpm SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive + 32GB mSATA Solid State DriveBP
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2GB DDR5 with TPM V1.2
27 inch LED Backlit Touch Display with IPS/Anti Glare and Adobe RGB QHD resolution (2560 X 1440)
1 Year Enhanced Support - America's Best Standard Support
Click to expand...

iPhone 2G?! Wow, you had a prototype of a never-release product. Lucky you!

In all seriousness. I really don't understand why anyone would want to sit at their desk and reach their arms out at their computer for hours at a time. On top of that, Windows 8 is garbage. OSX is just built better. NT Kernels ftl.
 
If I could afford this monitor, that would talk me out of an AIO.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/02/sharp-pn-k322b-4k-monitor/

For those who asked, I haven't bought yet - thinking about touch laptop with pen first. Wish Lenovo continued the x230t line instead of helix line... Or that macbook air or mbp had touch screen with pen support.

When will has well bloody drop for mbp or some more lenovos? That will probably determine my next purchase while I wait for more reviews on dell aio 2720.
 
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