Tanning, not burning??

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  1. ElectroGhandi macrumors regular

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    What is the best method to getting a nice tan instead of a partial burn? Haha. I don't tan too well. If I'm out in the sun for like 4 hours with no sunblock, I have a slight redish tint, and that's no good. But if I put sunblock on, I stay pale. What is the best method to getting a tan instead of a red? Haha.
     
  2. jmann macrumors 604

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    If you are okay with fake baking, if you use a tanning bed with high pressure rays (purple lights) you will get very tan very fast, and it has a very very low burn rate even if you never tan, because the lights don't produce the burning rays. :D Makes me nice and brown.
     
  3. ElectroGhandi thread starter macrumors regular

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    Well I'm not really *actively* looking for a tan.. I'm just trying to get a slight tan while being outside (tan > pale or burn)
     
  4. lostfan916 macrumors 6502a

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    Don't they make specific sunblock/oils for this? It's like SPF 15 or something... I remember my sister uses them.


    I myself don't have this issue as I've never been burnt in my life, I just tan like hell. That'd be the Pakistani/Mexican skin I have haha. ;)
     
  5. redwarrior macrumors 603

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    Tanning beds are the best for this definitely. And, the longer you use them, the faster you will tan next season as well.

    Keep in mind that skin cancer is still a concern even with tanning beds. Always pay attention to your skin. If you see anything odd, take a trip to your dermatologist. It's good to have a check up once a year too. If they find skin cancer soon enough, it can be removed and there's no worries.
     
  6. jmann macrumors 604

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    Building a slight base tan from indoor tanning, will help prevent future sun burns outside, because your skin will already be partially protected with a tan. :)
     
  7. ElectroGhandi thread starter macrumors regular

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    SPF 15 is what I use and I stay pale. Do they have anything lower?
     
  8. redwarrior macrumors 603

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    Oh yeah, I think the lowest is a 4.
     
  9. ElectroGhandi thread starter macrumors regular

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    I think that's what I am looking for. I'll just go check the CVS and see what they got. I'm 16 and male, I don't think I'm gonna be going to a tanning salon haha.
     
  10. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Uh......if that's your definition of "I don't tan well", then perhaps nobody in the world does. I tan very nicely, but four hours in the sun, with no sunblock, will cause a burn on me. It'll cause a mild burn on almost everybody, except maybe black people. Having said that, my black friend went to the Maldives last year, and got a tan.



    And forget the tanning bed completely. Use your SPF 15 sunscreen, but don't re-apply as often. Rather than re-applying every 1 or 2 hours, perhaps try re-applying after 3 hours.
     
  11. redwarrior macrumors 603

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    Where I live, almost as many men go to the tanning beds as women.
     
  12. jarjarblinks macrumors 6502

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    Hmm...alot of it will depend on your ethnic race I guess cos pigmentation do affect tans.

    I tan alot, possibly 4-6hrs a week at least and I live in a tropical environment. So its really easy for me to get the crispy crusty golden brown maple syrup look. Or just think bronze.

    I usually use SPF 0, otherwise my skin will peel. I realised that actually, 1 hr for front / back respectively between 12 - 2 pm sun is the best for a quick tan. Just enough without over doing it. And if you have to moisteurize your skin, make sure you dont use those with the whitening effects. It kinda defeats the purpose :D
     
  13. michael.lauden macrumors 68020

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    yep it depends on your skin. a lot of people will get freckles instead of getting tans. but you could try instead of 1 4 hour our stint in the sun

    maybe 2 or 3 2 hour stints in the sun over a week. the sun makes your skin healthy so if you didn't tan at least it'd make you feel good :)
     
  14. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    I'm going to be a party pooper and point out that there is absolutely no such things as a healthy tan. A tan is a sign that your skin is under stress. It is your skin burning and the genes reacting. Every time you are tanning you are damaging your skin and increasing your chances of melanoma and other skin cancers. This includes tanning beds - there's nothing special about the UV light they pump out. They just aren't safe no matter how they're marketed. If you've got fair skin you're even more at risk. And being young you're also at even more risk again. For many skin cancers it is a cumulative effect of your UV exposure - the less the better.

    It's safest and healthiest not to tan at all. Sunblock, hat, sunnies, long sleeve shirts, and avoiding the midday sun are your best bet. Don't end up killing yourself for appearance. There's nothing wrong with not being tanned. And avoiding the sun when you're young results in better looking skin for the rest of your life.

    Here's some articles to read;
    News story on the dangers of tanning beds.
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23053215-23289,00.html

    Here's Amanda Carter's story (died age 25 from melanoma)
    http://www.melanomaawarenessfoundation.org/news/stories/

    Australian cancer councils info page on melanoma.
    http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/editorial.asp?pageid=56

    Australian government's and Cancer Institutes melanoma awareness campaign on the dangers of tanning from this last summer.
    http://www.darksideoftanning.com.au/

    Here are some adverts we've been running in magazines and on buses in Australia to heighten the awareness. We're the world leaders in the incidence of skin cancer and skin cancer deaths.
     

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    You are correct Andy, but some of us can put on the best sun-block in the world every 30 minutes and still get burned after a day on the lake. After I started using a tanning bed my burns drastically decreased. My dermatologist told me that he would rather I go to the tanning bed, without overdoing it, regularly than to get the burns. I visit him once a year for a good going over. He has treated me for skin cancer twice. He said as long as we detect it early, there is little to worry about. Anti-oxidants do a lot to protect us from sun damage as well.

    Everyone is different and we all have to decide what is right for us. I don't agree with a "glamour" tan for that reason only though. I use tanning lotions all the time.:)
     
  17. northy124 macrumors 68020

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    Hey don't knock until you tried it ;)
     
  18. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    He most certainly would have also said to you that the very best thing would be to avoid getting a tan altogether - either from the sun or tanning beds. And there's plenty you can do at the lake in addition to sunscreen - long sleeve shirts, hats, sunglasses, and avoid being out on the water in the middle of the day. Getting tanned is entirely avoidable and it's astute to do so. There is absolutely no reason why you need to get a tan either at the lake or on a tanning bed - both are easily and entirely avoidable....

    Visiting often is fantastic. However if you've got a history of skin cancer it's almost negligent to suggest that it's safe to go to a tanning salon. In fact I've never heard of a dermatologist recommending one goes to the tanning talon at all. I'd seriously recommend seeking a second opinion or clarifying the issue with him.

    That's the problem. For melonoma it's not always easy to detect. It can occur anywhere on the body, not just where there has been sun exposure. You can also get them in forms that are white and easy to miss. For instance you can get them within your eyes, on your scalp under your hair, within your vagina, anus, and between your toes. I'm sure your dermatologist checks all these places but it's good for everyone to know that they can be really well hidden. And the big problem with them is that they spread to other parts of the body very quickly. It's not an uncommon occurrence to have someone with melanoma spread thoughout their body and the primary skin cancer not ever be found.

    There is actually a lack of scientific evidence that shows this. Certainly not any long term human trials that I'm aware of (I'd be happy to be proven wrong). At this stage it's more a marketing claim than it is science. Worth running this past your dermatologist for clarification as well - he'll be up to date with the latest information.

    When it comes to the sun it's the same for all of us unfortunately. UV light to the point where we tan is bad. And it's completely avoidable. One can chose to ignore the science and it's entirely within their right to do, but they should be under no misconceptions or misinformation by marketing that they're doing something that's contrary to their health.

    I'm at a bit of a loss why you go to salons at all when they do nothing for you but give you a tan and damage your skin :confused:.

    As long as you're referring to tinted moisturisers etc this is good. Even better if they contain sunscreens :). Tanning lotions which contain oil to aid tanning on the other hand - bad :(.
     
  19. Mr. lax macrumors 6502

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    I can be outside for hours and just get a nice tan, I tan really easy and never burn
     
  20. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    A "pre-tan" or "base" tan offers an SPF of around 2 or 3, and that's essentially what a tanning bed will offer you in terms of protection, except it'll cause cancers at a different rate than the sun due to differences in emission spectra. There are far more long wavelength photons emitted by a suntanning bed than the sun emits.


    Regarding sunblocks:

    A lot of sunblocks that claim to have a particular SPF don't actually work, and that includes the expensive ones. What you're using isn't working because it's crap, not because you didn't get a base tan.


    Come to Australia and try to find an SPF 50+ sunblock. You can't, but I bet you can in America. ;) It's not legally allowed in Australia because unlike in other countries, the companies can't sell you bulls*** when it comes to sun protection. So the companies are limited to labelling their sunblock SPF 30 if it's SPF 30, and SPF 30+ if the protection is over 30x better than unprotected skin. They don't want companies to put an exact value on it because everyone's tolerance to the sun will vary within a range. It's also based on ethnicity and skin pigmentation. Can an SPF 30 sunblock offer me the equivalent of 300 minutes of sun protection if MY unprotected skin would burn in 10 minutes on that day? What if I was black? Can it offer black people protection for 15-30 days? :confused:


    Think about this: if a sunblock really could provide you 50x protection, then why would they tell you to re-apply your sunscreen every 1 to 1.5 hours? If I wear an SPF 50 sunblock, I should be able to lie in the Australian sun for around 6 hours (360 minutes), and even after 360 minutes, my skin should be no darker than it would have been if my twin brother sat in the sun for around 10-12 minutes with unprotected skin. Well we all know that's not true.

    The only sunblock I've ever seen with an SPF above 30 in Australia is Hamilton's Quad-block sunscreen, which is labelled SPF 40+. That stuff literally stays on your skin for days, and is the ONLY stuff that's as good as it claims to be. It won't come off in the shower, so if you use it, it's a 2 day commitment. Seriously. The stuff is like glue.
     
  21. Demosthenes X macrumors 68000

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    Fear-mongering, much? If the sun were as bad as you'd like us to believe, then the human race would have died out ages ago. Humans spent a lot more time outside in the past than they do in the modern world, and the race is still thriving.

    Which is not to argue that the sun is healthy, but like everything else in life, is fine in moderation.
     
  22. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Not at all. Melanoma is something that we should all be naturally wary of.

    Indeed. But they also didn't live as long as we do today (more chances to sustain cumulative DNA damage from sun exposure) nor live in continents unsuited to their complexion. Skin cancers like melanoma are also more likely to occur in ages beyond where reproduction has already occurred. So you're claim that humans would have died out is demonstrably untrue. And not everyone will get skin cancer - just that sun exposure is the single most preventable risk factor we know.

    Indeed in moderation the sun is important for things such as vitamin D. Tanning or burning is not in moderation.

    The penny only dropped that this is what Redwarrior was referring to. You nailed it though Abstract. The first google result for "pre-tan" is the Mayo clinic and deals with exactly such an issue.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tanning/AN00589

    Their tanning bed response is worthy of a copy and paste as well;

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tanning/HQ01487
     
  23. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    To add to .Andy's points, tanning a lot is also a good way to resemble a worn leather couch.

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  24. redwarrior macrumors 603

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    Basically, "studies" can say whatever they want. I know for a fact that I can stay out in the sun a lot longer with a tan than I can with sunscreen alone. The scientists have apparently not studied me.:rolleyes:

    Disclaimer: I'm only talking about me; I'm not recommending that anyone go to a tanning bed.

    In all honesty, I find myself in more danger on the Atlanta speedway than the tanning bed.
     
  25. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    No they can't. Nor can you claim systemic fraud by science when the results counter your opinion.

    You haven't read what has been written by Abstract and the Mayo clinic paragraph I quoted. Yes you can stay out in the sun longer because the tan will provide minimal sun protection. Whether this is better than sunscreen seems extremely unlikely. Nevertheless you are still doing exactly the same amount of damage to your skin and increasing your risk of melanoma and other skin cancers by doing so.

    Given your history of skin cancer it would be prudent to be more careful in the sun and make use of hats, long sleeve shirts, sunglasses and sun avoidance. All of which won't increase you chances of cancer and will allow you to be in the sun much longer than a solarium tan.

    This doesn't chance the fact that there is absolutely no need to ever be on a tanning bed. Every time you use one you are paying people to purposely damage your skin and increase your risk of cancer.
     

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