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Looks like your Apple fanboyism blinded you to the part where she acknowledged it wouldn't affect her like it would indie artists who aren't nearly as fortunate. It would be wise re-read articles in the future to ensure you understand them before replying.

Apple is losing touch with their base. Everything from the early reports of them choosing to sell a useless watch at high end boutique stores instead of their own Apple stores. The childish decision against Monster Cable, transferring the burden of this "loss leader" to the artists. Oh and lets not forget their incredibly generous gesture to furnish a baseball team with 7+ figure contracts with free Apple devices...
Lol me an apple fanGIRL. Feel free to read any post on here were I'm noting but critical.
 
But. What gives Apple the right to decide that artists should just give up their income for three months?

If Apple are giving labels / the artists to opt out then that should answer that.

My main issue here isn't really about whether or not Apple should pay out.

It is about the fact that, up until now, we were to believe that artists made virtually no money from streaming.

But now that gets turned on its head and we are to believe that artists are suffering big financial losses.
 
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How will we keep up with what she thinks about her old boyfriends if she's not on Apple streaming?
 
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Who saved the music industry? Apple? don't make laugh, they saved their own pockets.

Jobs DID save Apple for sure....
Apple and Jobs did in fact save the music industry. They single-handedly got people into buying music again right when Napster, Limewire and Pirate Bay were getting so much "business" and it looked like there was no way of changing the minds of pirates. Other companies like Microsoft and Sony couldn't get people into buying music from their online services. I really didn't think Apple could pull it off but they did.

You may either love or hate Apple but the truth is they DID save the music industry.
 
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There you go:

http://www.cnet.com/news/jon-bon-jovi-steve-jobs-killed-the-music-business/

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/t...-apple-music-store-killed-old-music-6C9633923

and the most hilarious thing is now Apple is also paying for that:

A decade of iTunes singles killed the music industry

Ironically, it could be Apple that is in danger of losing its grip on the music business. Whether or not Apple can maintain its relevance in digital music could very well depend on its ability to transition to the streaming subscription model, which is rapidly adding users.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/25/technology/itunes-music-decline/

So, I don't think so.
ITunes saved the industry from illegal downloads. It is not Apples fault that the industry went back to inappropriately high prices. That is the reason streaming took over to begin with. Has nothing to do with Apple.
 
Give me a break! Artists crossing over is not the same as Artists selling out. She's a sellout. She doesn't even do country music anymore. That's how she into the business. She just put in the garbage can when she realize the real money is elsewhere.
See, I give credit and respect to artists like Carrie Underwood who stayed true to her roots. While she adds a hint of pop to some of her songs she is a true country artist and has not ended up on the pop radio channels.

I don't follow.

Is your argument that country music is somehow better than pop music?
 
Without "free" streams (which generate some revenue at least) people would just go back to piracy, which provides better quality anyway.
Exactly, free ad supported streams is no different than ad supported radio stations. I don't recall any outrage of people wanting to burn down radio stations...besides for the purpose of frustration with commercials.
 
That's exactly the problem. There is no alternative employment during this period. The people that currently listen to my music on ad supported services are going to flock to the ad-free free service. That leaves me without any music income for three months and missing the window of opportunity of the record release. I'll be paying Apple's free trial with the two years I spent producing my record.
They're not really good fans of yours if they would do that.
 
But. What gives Apple the right to decide that artists should just give up their income for three months?
Music is Apple's own streaming service. That's what gives them the right. If artists don't want to join they don't have to, just as Ms. Taylor Swift so "humbly" backed out.

Need another analogy? What gives me the right to tell you how to act in my house? Well, it's my house.
 
It's because during the free trial, rights holders still need to be paid. So this comes from the labels. That's why indies are saying this will bankrupt them, they can't afford the loss leading like the big labels can. Nothing is free.
I don't agree with music labels really.
 
If Apple are giving labels / the artists to opt out then that should answer that.

My main issue here isn't really about whether or not Apple should pay out.

It is about the fact that, up until now, we were to believe that artists made virtually no money from streaming.

But now that gets turned on its head and we are to believe that artists are suffering big financial losses.

Well, going from little income to no-income is a significant drop in earnings...
 
this is rubbish..

It should be
Money artist WOULD HAVE GOT from Spotify - (or any other streaming music service) between July and October 2015 - Actual Money
Money artist now gets from Apple Music between July and October 2015 as a result of cancelled subscription to other services and lack of use from other services due to Apple trial - bugger all..
Everyone is going to cancel Spotify for 3 months?
Well I'm not. I find it hard to believe that many will.
 
Streaming music is slowly killing the music industry with these trial periods and ad-supported "free" streams. I'm glad she decided to speak out in the open about it, now I hope more artists do the same.
Oh, please. The music industry has been doing a great job killing itself for over a decade.
 
That's exactly the problem. There is no alternative employment during this period. The people that currently listen to my music on ad supported services are going to flock to the ad-free free service. That leaves me without any music income for three months and missing the window of opportunity of the record release. I'll be paying Apple's free trial with the two years I spent producing my record.

Assuming you are an artist (rather than speaking on behalf of artists), it would be interesting to know how much you made in the last three months, and what proportion of that income came from free streaming services?
 
I think she's right. Why should they allow their music to be free. It's Apple's decision to offer a 3 month free trial so they should pay for it.
 
A revenue stream needs to exist in order for an artist to be compensated, so in effect she is asking Apple to serve as a welfare system for artists during the free trial period. That's not really practical either.

So what's the good solution to this problem? Heck if I know.

But isn't Apple asking these artists to act as a welfare system for Apple by providing their content which has value to apple for free?

A solution for this problem is for Apple to count each trial subscriber as a full paying customer in determining what to pay the artists and then to pay out the artists accordingly.

Apple paying the artists nothing just conveys that Apple does not value their content, IMO.

Plan and simple, Apple should not be externalizing the cost for acquiring customers to the Artists.
 
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All Apple had to do was offer a standard 1 month free trial. The fact is they upped it to 3 months to steal away customers from Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, etc. and are making the artists pick up the tab.
Okay, let's be real about this. All these people hating on Apple here today would be still hating on them if it was 1 month trial. They didn't "UP" anything. It was 3 months from the start. And so what if they are trying to grab customers. Isn't that the name of the game in competition? LOL.

But thanks for not really addressing the question I posted. If people including you are so concerned then simply pay for your Music subscription upfront and ignore the trial. That way the artists will get paid. I like how that keeps getting ignored though. Too logical for some people. ;)
 
"Apple Music will not be paying writers, producers, or artists for those three months"
But the labels will!. That is part of Apple's deal with them, as I understood it
 
ITunes saved the industry from illegal downloads. It is not Apples fault that the industry went back to inappropriately high prices. That is the reason streaming took over to begin with. Has nothing to do with Apple.

Well i'm not defending the music industry here either, those guys have not been smart enough, specially in recent years, and yeah always with high and abusive prices to pay their expensive swimming pools...They would love everybody to go back to vinyl for sure, good luck with that.

I agree Apple has nothing to do with streaming until now.

The word "saved" is an excessive word here IMO, it you want to use it i don't have problem unless you also acknolewdge that Apple also saved their own pockets too. They are not charity you know..
 
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Wow if that's the type of logic you employ, do I have a job offer for you!!! It pays ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the first three months, but after that I promise I'll start paying you.

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Actually, some of the highest paying entry level performace based jobs are just that. They pay nothing or next to nothing while you train and get started. But once you start selling you get paid. Going into business is the same thing. You make nothing initially but it pays off down the road.
 
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When Apple gives a paid app away for "free" for a period of time, do they compensate the developer of said app for the money they would've made had all the downloads not been "free"?
 
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