it's a streaming device. Why we would need more than 8GB of storage? Under their compression a movie isn't going to exceed 8GB more than likely.
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Teardown of New Apple TV Reveals Same 8 GB Flash Storage, Bump to 512 MB RAM
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it's a streaming device. Why we would need more than 8GB of storage? Under their compression a movie isn't going to exceed 8GB more than likely.
8GB Flash is for OS, preferences and apps... not buffering
Gentlemen...
The RAM is what would be used for buffering. That's why it's better to have more, and is first to increase.
Flash memory would not be used for buffering, as the type of inexpensive Flash used in the iPods and Apple TV has a very limited number of write cycles.
The only reason to add more Flash would be to perhaps hold more apps sometime in the future. However, Apple would no doubt rather sell a newer device in that case.
Upshot: RAM = running code and buffering data. Flash = OS, preferences, photos, and possibly apps... i.e. data that isn't constantly being rewritten.
Gentlemen...
The RAM is what would be used for buffering. That's why it's better to have more, and is first to increase.
Flash memory would not be used for buffering, as the type of inexpensive Flash used in the iPods and Apple TV has a very limited number of write cycles.
The only reason to add more Flash would be to perhaps hold more apps sometime in the future. However, Apple would no doubt rather sell a newer device in that case.
Upshot: RAM = running code and buffering data. Flash = OS, preferences, photos, and possibly apps... i.e. data that isn't constantly being rewritten.
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I can vouch for the fact that even with with the iPad 3, AirPlay (particularly mirroring) is worse than it was with the ATV2.
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One word.. Firecore!!!! google it. LOVE IT!!!! can wait till new ATV is jailbroken with season pass.....time to get another one..
Nice to see the insides of this thing.
I bought one of Friday and it brought me back into my living room. I've been enjoying available content in 1080p on my 52" LCD. I can't wait until I get my iTunes library streaming to my tv.
I bought one of Friday and it brought me back into my living room. I've been enjoying available content in 1080p on my 52" LCD. I can't wait until I get my iTunes library streaming to my tv.
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Correct. This is why I was somewhat letdown that onboard storage did not increase to 16GB. Pictures repeat a lot if we have less than 600 set to show, especially with some of the newer slodeshow
Sorry for the duplicate post - I'm fighting against a lousy airport connection
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Correct. This is why I was somewhat letdown that onboard storage did not increase to 16GB. Pictures repeat a lot if we have less than 600 set to show, especially with some of the newer slodeshow
Sorry for the duplicate post - I'm fighting against a lousy airport connection
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Correct. This is why I was somewhat letdown that onboard storage did not increase to 16GB. Pictures repeat a lot if we have less than 600 set to show, especially with some of the newer multipic slideshow, but on the other hand the system can hang up every now and then because of this....
jmshaw said:
Correct. This is why I was somewhat letdown that onboard storage did not increase to 16GB. Pictures repeat a lot if we have less than 600 set to show, especially with some of the newer multipic slideshow, but on the other hand the system can hang up every now and then because of this....
I don't have any problem with making profit. It is what keeps me in business. I do have a serious problem with liars which try to damage companies with blatant lies.
Scratch that, I have a serious problem with liars, period.
(remember, the claim was 'Each Apple TV probably costs 5 dollars to make. Massive profits for Apple once again.' Which is a blatant lie.)
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Uhm, my cable internet is 120 Mbit (down) and it regularly reaches that speed in terms of throughput. 100 Mbit ethernet slows it down; had to buy new switches and everything. Also, many homes here have fiber-to-the-home connections at 600 Mbit down.
And I am probably not the only person with a full Cat 5e network in their home, with a network socket next to every power socket.
As for the ATV, it can probably do without GigE - just challenging your other assumptions in the quote.
Please hold your breath..
Either a jailbreak will come or 'humanity' will loose another idiot. Win-win, I'd say.
I pre-ordered two but am returning them. As I have a hacked 1st gen with a Crystal HD graphics card, my 1080P mkv's play amazingly through my Pioneer Elite AVR/plasma. I believe the hardware specs on the third gen are disappointing. I've played iTunes 1080P versions of films, compared them to my 1080P handbraked mkv/m4v's from my 12-Core Mac Pro and to their Blu-Ray disc source. Of course, Blu-Ray wins hands down, but my own 1080P encodes are much better than Apple's (multi-track audio allows for DTS passthru that Apple does not support).
It seems Apple decided on compressing the data through H.264 at L4 with [generally] slight improvements over their 720P counterparts instead of using a better A5 ARM, etc. as in the iPad and iPhone. I understand why as streaming and internet downloads for 1080P encodes must to be manageable for the average consumer bandwidth, but this "update" isn't much to justify the difference from its predecessor. Had Apple provided a better ARM processor and the ability for NAS, it'd be perfect.
I decided on going full out and got a Mac Mini running Plex with my NAS. Now that there is software that can play Blu-Ray's on OS X, I attached an external LG Blu-Ray drive and that's all I need. No more jailbreaking and tinkering, worth the extra $$$.
It seems Apple decided on compressing the data through H.264 at L4 with [generally] slight improvements over their 720P counterparts instead of using a better A5 ARM, etc. as in the iPad and iPhone. I understand why as streaming and internet downloads for 1080P encodes must to be manageable for the average consumer bandwidth, but this "update" isn't much to justify the difference from its predecessor. Had Apple provided a better ARM processor and the ability for NAS, it'd be perfect.
I decided on going full out and got a Mac Mini running Plex with my NAS. Now that there is software that can play Blu-Ray's on OS X, I attached an external LG Blu-Ray drive and that's all I need. No more jailbreaking and tinkering, worth the extra $$$.
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Bluray like quality HD 1080p content streamed from an external harddisk perhaps? Content thats 25-50GB?
hspace said:And I can't believe it still doesn't have gigabit ethernet! Must be expensive
Ha! This is a streaming device.
- Is there ANY content on your network you want to share through it that requires more than 100mb/s bandwith? Or even a fraction?
- Same goes for streaming internet video, is your internet pipe 100mb/s? If not, why the heck does it need gigabit? And what content, again, would require it?
Bluray like quality HD 1080p content streamed from an external harddisk perhaps? Content thats 25-50GB?
Serious? EhhhI can vouch for the fact that even with with the iPad 3, AirPlay (particularly mirroring) is worse than it was with the ATV2.
I'm hoping it actually makes the thing work correctly.I bought the second generation and had to return it. Every movie took forever to stream and most wouldn't play properly. No, I dont have any internet issues, just wouldn't work for some reason. First time I had a problem with an Apple product.. Here's to hoping it works much better as I will get the new one on Monday. Amazon - tax free
Just curious, was it iTunes content, or ANY content? I found that unless I have my ATV2 hard connected to my internet, iTunes content has unforgivable buffer times for HD. Turning it to standard def made it instant... and I was mostly renting tv shows i'd missed so I didn't care. Netflix, I've never had a problem at all.
That's their range on hardware... with displays. They have other items (iPod shuffle for instance and even the Nano, despite its display) that probably are much higher.
Tear down price lists are never accurate. The processor is something that is exclusive to Apple, and they have to take a guess on it's cost based on similar open stock parts most like it. The rest of the parts are what any jo schmo could buy them for.
Some of those prices don't even exclude the fact that there is no middle man in the process and everything is factory direct, or that larger companies are going to get volume discounts and will have negotiated pricing that is not publicly known. Whenever you see a tear down pricing list, it's very safe to assume the real cost is 15%-30% less than what they get it at unless it's a small company.
If the Apple TV costs more than $25-$30 from procurement to store, I'd be really shocked. You have to remember that Apple isn't just making Apple TV's... they are buying parts for dozens of other devices from these companies. Then look at a company like Roku that only makes one product line of 4 models, sells them for less, and doesn't really have any kind of echo system in which they can make additional revenue and they're making money. They're also going to likely be paying a lot more for parts than Apple, and they're turning out good margins.
There is a reason why Apple is sitting on $100 billion in cash... they are business savvy in addition to making great products.
Yeah, $5 is an extreme exaggeration for Emphasis, but there is a slight validity to the point. People can chose not to buy one and get a $49 Roku if their heart so desires and fits their needs.
Apple will be flogged for their success. They bring in margins no other computer/device makers come close too, but people are willing to pay a premium. It's business. If people stopped buying Apple products tomorrow, I'm sure they'd reconsider their pricing.
I personally would rather pay a premium for a product that I know will be supported for years, that works and gets dedicated updates, and makes getting things done easier and without headaches. To me, I see value in the extra price.
But those who don't... why are they on Apple related forums in the first place or using their products?
Sure that would all help, but if big content doesn't want to be involved then it should be their loss not mine. Apps allow for new business models and more direct Consumer/Producer relationship. Apps allow more local and cultural specific content, in a way that media stores like iTunes never can.
Not expecting a full iOS like app or games like the iPad or iPhone, but some form of Apps to open opportunities beyond big media.
It is already now more powerful than Nintendo Wii, assuming the A5 GPU is dual core like in the iPad 2. Nintendo is using 10 years old cpu/gpu technology in the Wii, as they wanted a cool and quiet system rather than compete with CPU power.
