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yea because most consumers frequently switch back and fourth between GMS and CDMA and all of Apples competitors offer CDMA/GSM tablets??

yes it would have been convenient for Apple and consumers alike if they were to offer GSM/CDMA capable iPads and a few people may actually have a genuine need for such a capability but it's hardly a failing


Having a dual CDMA / GSM model would be great...

1. Policy/Price Competition: As it stands now, the cell co's know they have customers by the throat as we cannot easily change carriers due to the radio frequencies/standards. AT&T and Verizon love this lock-in, they crave this lock-in, and Apple gave them this lock-in on a silver platter with the iPad 1.5. Would it not be great if this power they had was taken away? Would it not foster better customer service if they knew all consumers had to do to was to switch the CDMA <-> GSM toggle under Settings in iOS.

2. Location independence: Of course it would be welcomed for anyone who does international travel, but it would also benefit people who do not. Lets say you are deciding between an iPad 1.5 and want one with a cellular radio, but do not know which is the best. Would it not be a benefit to try the both carriers data networks for your use case, rather than just guessing which is best ? How about people who travel to areas not serviced by one the carriers? For example, I have the 3G iPad 1 with the unlimited plan, however, there are many times I cannot use it because where I'm at is EDGE or GPRS via a 'partner carrier' of ATT. I'm sure variations of this are common, where due to a move, or change in location, or whatever.
 
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troop231 said:
It's just as beautiful on the inside as the outside :) Just like one's priorities should be when looking for a mate :p

I like that.
 
yea because most consumers frequently switch back and fourth between GMS and CDMA and all of Apples competitors offer CDMA/GSM tablets??

yes it would have been convenient for Apple and consumers alike if they were to offer GSM/CDMA capable iPads and a few people may actually have a genuine need for such a capability but it's hardly a failing
Being able to switch carriers at any given moment (ok, once per month in practice) certainly increases competition between the carriers. And makes life easier for the consumer (except for very minor extra weight and cost).

But antenna design and performance might be better with separate models (as might corporate kickbacks, err, carrier marketing support).
 
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I'm impressed as to the size of the logic boards, an incredible amount of functionality is compressed onto those boards! It is pretty incredible what current semiconductor process nodes allow for, iPad wouldn't have been possible as little as 4 years ago.

The otherthing of note here is that the tear downs seem to indicate a vastly improved iPad in version 2. There seems to be far fewer interconnects and modules which hopefully means a more reliable device.
 
It almost looks like you could simply solder in the extension board for either CDMA or 3G right onto your WIFI model as an upgrade. Though I imagine there is MUCH more involved in this!! :eek:
 
It almost looks like you could simply solder in the extension board for either CDMA or 3G right onto your WIFI model as an upgrade. Though I imagine there is MUCH more involved in this!! :eek:

I had wondered the same thing myself. But then of course you'd need a new back as well.

Anyone dare try?
 
Guys, learn about RF

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Given the differences in frequencies used for the GSM and CDMA network standards, it is also unsurprising that the two 3G iPads offer slightly different antenna configurations, with the CDMA version offering one more antenna than the GSM version, similar to the iPhone 4.
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This has NOTHING to do with frequency differences.
It has to do with an issue called fast fading, which results in the effective strength of a digital RF signal varying dramatically over distances of a few centimeters and time-scales of a few milliseconds.

The best known way to combat fast fading is a collection of techniques known as "antenna diversity" which all make use of two (or more) independent antennas and RF chains in a device.
Verizon MANDATE that every device on their network use antenna diversity, and this is a large part of the reason they have a reputation as a reliable network.
ATT, because they are run by idiots who are, apparently, completely unaware of any technology invented since 1988, do NOT mandate antenna diversity --- and have the reputation they have.

It is perfectly feasible for a manufacturer to incorporate two antennas (and two independent RF chains, and some logic to combine the two signals appropriately) to improve the performance of their device. This is not the OPTIMAL way of doing things --- if the network is set up properly and knows a receiver has two antennas, it can utilize something called Alamouti coding to slightly increase robustness --- but simply have two antennas and appropriate combining is already a big step.

So why did Apple not do this? Obviously an initial point is that a chip is needed that provides two (appropriate to GSM) RF chains and combining logic. My guess is that the new Qualcomm chip being used does offer this on the GSM side, though I don't know that for sure.
My personal opinion is that this is something Apple will add to the GSM iPhone 5. They will not announce it or make a big deal about it (because there's always going to be some moron submitting YouTube videos of how he covered his iPhone in tin foil and then couldn't get a signal), but they will do it in the hope that people just slowly start to say "You know, this new iPhone5 is drops calls a whole lot less than the old iPhone4 model. I can't say how, exactly, but it just feels really reliable."
I'd peg them as especially likely to do this if they stick with the existing external antenna design, so they can (not publicly, but implicitly) tell the world "screw you a**holes, we knew then and we know now how to design a decent antenna system".

But we shall see. I personally am amazed that NO GSM company in the world (at least of the companies Apple sells to) mandate dual antennas. And these technical ignoramuses are the people who control our digital futures!

(Antenna diversity can ALSO be used for something known as spatial multiplexing, which increases the throughput available to a given wireless channel. This is a big part of 802.11n. The earliest Mac 802.11n macs had two antenna systems, the newest have three --- and get 50% higher throughput under ideal conditions.

Sadly all iDevices currently have only one 802.11n antenna.
In theory multiple 802.11n antennas, and sending data by the fastest means possible, is also the most power efficient mechanism --- in terms of the RF power and the amount of computation required. In practice it is possible, I don't know, that the current chips are inefficient enough that the slower single antenna scheme remains the best overall in terms of energy.

Another possibility is that Apple is holding back on this because they simply don't need to include it yet, given how weak their competition is. Might as well hold back a feature like this until you actually have a worthy competitor, in which case you can announce "iPad 3.5, along with all its other coolness, now also comes with wifi that's twice as fast"?)
 
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