Tech Advocacy Group That Includes Apple Meeting This Wednesday to Discuss Online Privacy

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Members of the Information Technology Industry Council plan to meet this Wednesday, June 27 in San Francisco to discuss "how to tackle growing questions and concerns about consumer privacy online."

    The news comes from Axios, and members of ITI in attendance will reportedly include Apple, Facebook, IBM, Microsoft, Intel, Qualcomm, Samsung, Dropbox, and more -- although specific attendees have not been confirmed by the organization.

    ITI has organized all-day meetings that will focus on topics about online privacy in the wake of Europe's General Data Protection Regulation and the Facebook/Cambridge Analytica data scandal.

    ITI CEO Dean Garfield told Axios that tech companies are aware there's a "new sense of urgency around consumer privacy." The organization also said that the new meet-up of tech leaders is "not a direct result" of alleged conversations brewing within the Trump administration about a U.S. "counter-weight" to Europe's GDPR.
    In that report last week, Trump advisor Gail Slater was said to have discussed a U.S. version of GDPR with Garfield, although Slater stated the White House has no desire to create a "U.S. clone" of Europe's rules. Slater claimed that "giving consumers more control over their data" and "more access to their data" are high marks of the GDPR, suggesting these aspects would be emphasized in the U.S. law if it ever comes to pass.

    While lawmakers and advocacy groups discuss online customer privacy, individual companies have promised some form of enhanced user privacy on a global scale in the wake of GDPR. For Apple, the company launched a new Data & Privacy website that lets users download all of the data associated with their Apple ID. Prior to GDPR, last September Apple revamped its privacy website so that its various policies could be more accessible and easy-to-read for its customers.

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  2. truthertech macrumors 68000

    Jun 24, 2016
    “My experience is that they’ve always viewed privacy as a foundational principle, but the question of how do you give meaning to it and talk about it in a way that resonates is now something that’s more pressing,” he said.

    You took this quote out, and my comment to it, but it was an important part of the debate. The problem is that privacy has never been "foundational" to companies like Google, Facebook and others. Their business model is built on people not having privacy or they would go out of business, so every move they make to give lip service to the idea of privacy is essentially a fraud as they maneuver elsewhere to try and capture even more of everyone's private information.
  3. iamgalt macrumors regular


    Jul 25, 2012
    Facebook? At a conference to discuss online privacy? HA HA. You're about 3 months late for the April Fools joke. Next you're going to tell me that Google will be there too.
  4. Sasparilla, Jun 25, 2018
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    Sasparilla macrumors 65816

    Jul 6, 2012
    >>Boy look at that company list, other than Apple it’s virtually all surveillance capitalism dependent companies...I doubt much in the interest of user privacy will come from these guys. <<

    Have to say I was mistaken on the list, Facebook is the baddie (I thought I saw Google there as well but its not). The rest of the list beyond Apple only benefit indirectly but significantly from business with surveillance capitalism entities (Intel, Qualcomm, Samsung etc.). Apple is alone in the woods on privacy with all this. The rest of these guys (for the most part) benefit financially if there's no privacy limits to their users data.

    Truthertech I think your on target, except for the part about these guys going out of business (at least for Google & Facebook) they could survive but wouldn’t be as profitable if they respected their users privacy. JMHO
  5. truthertech, Jun 25, 2018
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    truthertech macrumors 68000

    Jun 24, 2016

    They would go out of business because they couldn't afford the massive number of employees, servers, software engineers etc., necessary to offer their products and services for "free" as their ad revenue would plummet. They wouldn't have an information advantage anymore and internet based advertising is extraordinarily ineffective even with the current targeting, but if you remove the ability for Google to know that someone is pregnant and lives in a particular city, supports environmental causes and has a particular level of income, the green diaper service isn't paying Google any more. Ditto the law firm that specializes in high value divorces in the Houston area needs to have Google tell them which people above a certain level of income who live in the Houston area and are having marital problems, etc. Think of the billions it costs Google and Apple to maintain their Mapping services. Apple leverages theirs as part of the Apple ecosystem people buy into. Google only can maintain theirs by selling access to the data they get on where people drive, who and where they visit, how long they stay, etc., to others. Ditto Facebook.
  6. MacBH928 macrumors 68030


    May 17, 2008
    Facebook, Dropbox, and Microsoft should not be in the same sentence with the word “privacy”.

    some people call Windows 10 “the NSA edition”
  7. DotCom2 macrumors 68040

    Feb 22, 2009
    Google is conveniently absent. Geeeee I wonder why?
  8. samven582 macrumors 6502a

    Jan 2, 2009
    Hope it fixes the battery drain issues I'm having with my SE.
  9. H2SO4 macrumors 601

    Nov 4, 2008
    Those that use their services because it suits them to do so for advertising, analytics, default search engine etc etc, (APPLE), are complicit in it?
  10. npmacuser5 macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2015
    Root of the problem Ad tracking and Analytics. Stop 100% of Ad tracking and Analynics at the user level. Analytics are the worst, they can figure out who you are by analyzing your lists etc. No need to see what system you are on or where one is located. Facebook the Supreme Master in the use of Analytics. Simple solution without any meeting, stop it. Easy!
  11. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    If businesses through that, no one would be using these sites ever. They must be doing something right. Unless no one would even care about privacy then..... which is bollocks.

    Google's goal..... Your asking Google to change their business model.... A law maker tried to change how Google "scans" email and populate with with ads as well in 2013, but it failed....
  12. truthertech macrumors 68000

    Jun 24, 2016
    In some sense yes. Though, the alternative would be to not allow Apple users to use the services of their choice and ban things like Facebook, Google maps, etc. Apple is following preferred route, just as in China, and seeing that overall privacy benefit is to allow those services and apps, but try to stop them as much as possible from obtaining private information--banning cross site tracking, requiring affirmative use of things like location services, etc.
  13. zakarhino macrumors demi-god


    Sep 13, 2014
    Bay Area, CA.
    --- Post Merged, Jun 25, 2018 ---
    This is what the Android guys just don't seem to get when they try convincing people that Android is a superior OS. I don't care how many features you have or how incredible your OS is, I will never run Google spyware on my phone.
  14. bollman macrumors 6502

    Sep 25, 2001
    Lund, Sweden
    I don't really get it.
    Upset about Facebook collecting personal data? Don't give them any then! It's not a fundamental human right to be able to spill your guts on the internet and expect noone to record that data.
    Block ads, block cookies and you won' t have to see all the crap. They collect my browsing history? Go ahead, have fun, I don't care.

    When I started using "the internet" some 25 years ago, the first rule of thumb was: everyone out there is evil and out to get you, act accordingly.

    I don't really get the idea that "the internet" should be a place where you can act irresponsible and expect noone to take advantage.
    Don't browse suspicious sites, don't click on links in spam, don't give out your details to anyone asking for it. Be vigilant, not ignorant.
    Users should be using critical thinking and common sense instead of trusting "privacy laws".

    People want Apple to encrypt their phones so hard noone can get to the data, and in the next minute post it all on Facebook. The next day, they whine about Facebook collecting all the data. Grow up.
  15. macduke macrumors G3


    Jun 27, 2007
    Central U.S.
    Wouldn't you hate to be the FaceBook reps that have to attend this meeting? LOL. What a joke.
  16. H2SO4 macrumors 601

    Nov 4, 2008
    In some sense? Come on....
    They are not following the preferred route at all. What they are following is the money, let's be honest about it.
    They did not always have Facebook integration or Google maps and did just fine, (you can use a browser just fine for these).
    When they don't want to support something because they think it exposes the user, (Adobe Flash), they DON'T.
  17. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    I still do that today.. Allot has changed, but I don't

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