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temporal dithering disappointment

jz0309 said:
rather than watching YouTube videos, go to a store that has them on display, or, buy one from Apple and you have 14 days to return it, no questions asked.
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Back when I first noticed the problem, I got tired of buying and returning macbooks (M1, M2, M3 airs). But I will stop by the local store. I can usually tell within minutes of browsing whether I'm affected. So far, there's not a single product in the store that works for me. 🙁

The store doesn't even report your true reason for return. They just mark it as "buyer's remorse" which is kind of rubbing salt in your wound. Also, at some point Apple thinks you're running some kind of scam just buying stuff and returning it due to "buyer's remorse".
 
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The reality is, when compared to using a iPad for example, the display sits much further away from your eyes and it's much better for that regardless of display technology
 
ghanwani said:
Back when I first noticed the problem, I got tired of buying and returning macbooks (M1, M2, M3 airs). But I will stop by the local store. I can usually tell within minutes of browsing whether I'm affected. So far, there's not a single product in the store that works for me. 🙁

The store doesn't even report your true reason for return. They just mark it as "buyer's remorse" which is kind of rubbing salt in your wound.
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sorry for your experience/sensitivity, I read a lot about PWM but have no issues with any of my screens (17PM, iPad Air, ASD) and also not with the Neo ...
 
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ivnj said:
What is temporal dithering?
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www.androidcentral.com

A fast-growing Android bug report spells potential relief for users affected by temporal dithering

A new AOSP bug report got dozens of backers in just days, highlighting a problem that's been growing under our noses this whole time.
www.androidcentral.com www.androidcentral.com

While this is in the context of Android phones, the same thing was introduced by Apple when they debuted the M processors in macbooks. They also now have it on all their phones and tablets.
 
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I feel like every current gen Apple product has temporal dithering regardless of display type.

Curious if StillColor works. I think it has trouble with certain Apple panels.

EDIT: just tested it on the Neo and it works to disable dithering, doesn't appear to work on my M4 MacBook Pro even though in terminal it says it's off.
 
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ghanwani said:
Well, looks like Apple's Neo is not The One. At least not for me.

According to Notebookcheck, it looks like the Neo too uses temporal dithering. I get eyestrain just watching this video.
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I have turned that option off in BetterDisplay on my Mac mini. Is this what you are talking about?

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Like I said, everyone's eyes are different. And monitors/laptop screens are no different than scopes and binoculars. Have 10 people look at or through any of them and you will get 10 different opinions. This is especially true when it comes to red dot optics. And I can see this being true with monitors and laptop screens.

Go with what works best for you.
 
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ghanwani said:
Or I can just stick to using my 14" 2.3lb Dynabook Portege with an EyeSafe display that doesn't cause me any issues.
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Sorry for offtopic but may I ask to to provide full name/model of Dynabook?
(trying to create small list of actual laptops without dithering which I can buy and use)
 
playmerc said:
Sorry for offtopic but may I ask to to provide full name/model of Dynabook?
(trying to create small list of actual laptops without dithering which I can buy and use)
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This is the exact one I have

Most of their Portege lineup have EyeSafe displays. Their 13" one is under 2 lb. Other laptop makers such as HP and Dell also offer EyeSafe displays on some models.
 
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Yeah not every medical condition is covered by every brand and product, so what? you have a handicap with your eyes. Are you going to moan if you are tone deaf that Sony headsets cause discomfort?

No obviously you will purchase something that aid you in your handicap by looking for specific specs that assist you.

Why fishing for attention on a obvious budget device that has limitations.
You very well know what screens can be tolerated and what not, why still moan about it with every new release of a brand that does not have said feature accommodating your handicap?

You trying to shoehorn in something that clearly does not exist yet for you with apple.

Write them a letter, appeal for it, fight for it with them. You only moan about it on this forum, it almost feel like you are fishing for attention.

I am deaf in one ear, you think moaning about it here and with every release of a apple product saying omg i can cannot hear it good with every leased product that will make any change?

WhY cANT Apllle Make MONo Firing speaKers for my right Earrr, and someone else then come for their right ear, and someone else for their underdeveloped thumb etc etc etc....

No instead i would appeal with a petition of people with the same handicap to apple and hopefully have enough people to get something added that fixes it somewhat.
You man about apple but clearly its not profitable for them to add said features in this point of time or simply too little people have made them known that they want said feature as there is a big chunk of their market suffering from such handicap.
 
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