temporal dithering disappointment

[ghanwani]

Well, looks like Apple's Neo is not The One. At least not for me.

According to Notebookcheck, it looks like the Neo too uses temporal dithering. I get eyestrain just watching this video.

 

[Meedoss]

Time to see a eye dr

 

[tripleburst]

I would get eyestrain too if i watched magnified pixels.

 

[ghanwani]

Time to see a eye dr

Or I can just stick to using my 14" 2.3lb Dynabook Portege with an EyeSafe display that doesn't cause me any issues.

 

[tripleburst]

Or I can just stick to using my 14" 2.3lb Dynabook Portege with an EyeSafe display that doesn't cause me any issues.

Ah the mask comes off. Enjoy your Dynabook then. Your eyes will thank you.

 

[ghanwani]

Ah the mask comes off. Enjoy your Dynabook then. Your eyes will thank you.

What mask? I hate using Windows but thanks to Apple's decisions I don't have a choice.

 

[jz0309]

rather than watching YouTube videos, go to a store that has them on display, or, buy one from Apple and you have 14 days to return it, no questions asked.

 

[ghanwani]

rather than watching YouTube videos, go to a store that has them on display, or, buy one from Apple and you have 14 days to return it, no questions asked.

Back when I first noticed the problem, I got tired of buying and returning macbooks (M1, M2, M3 airs). But I will stop by the local store. I can usually tell within minutes of browsing whether I'm affected. So far, there's not a single product in the store that works for me. 🙁

The store doesn't even report your true reason for return. They just mark it as "buyer's remorse" which is kind of rubbing salt in your wound. Also, at some point Apple thinks you're running some kind of scam just buying stuff and returning it due to "buyer's remorse".

 

[tomtad]

The reality is, when compared to using a iPad for example, the display sits much further away from your eyes and it's much better for that regardless of display technology

 

[jz0309]

Back when I first noticed the problem, I got tired of buying and returning macbooks (M1, M2, M3 airs). But I will stop by the local store. I can usually tell within minutes of browsing whether I'm affected. So far, there's not a single product in the store that works for me. 🙁

The store doesn't even report your true reason for return. They just mark it as "buyer's remorse" which is kind of rubbing salt in your wound.

sorry for your experience/sensitivity, I read a lot about PWM but have no issues with any of my screens (17PM, iPad Air, ASD) and also not with the Neo ...

 

[ivnj]

What is temporal dithering?

 

[ghanwani]

What is temporal dithering?

A fast-growing Android bug report spells potential relief for users affected by temporal dithering

A new AOSP bug report got dozens of backers in just days, highlighting a problem that's been growing under our noses this whole time.

www.androidcentral.com

While this is in the context of Android phones, the same thing was introduced by Apple when they debuted the M processors in macbooks. They also now have it on all their phones and tablets.

 

[Sheepish-Lord]

I feel like every current gen Apple product has temporal dithering regardless of display type.

Curious if StillColor works. I think it has trouble with certain Apple panels.

EDIT: just tested it on the Neo and it works to disable dithering, doesn't appear to work on my M4 MacBook Pro even though in terminal it says it's off.

 

[Adora]

Well, looks like Apple's Neo is not The One. At least not for me.

According to Notebookcheck, it looks like the Neo too uses temporal dithering. I get eyestrain just watching this video.

I have turned that option off in BetterDisplay on my Mac mini. Is this what you are talking about?

 

[bapegg]

Like I said, everyone's eyes are different. And monitors/laptop screens are no different than scopes and binoculars. Have 10 people look at or through any of them and you will get 10 different opinions. This is especially true when it comes to red dot optics. And I can see this being true with monitors and laptop screens.

Go with what works best for you.

 

[playmerc]

Or I can just stick to using my 14" 2.3lb Dynabook Portege with an EyeSafe display that doesn't cause me any issues.

Sorry for offtopic but may I ask to to provide full name/model of Dynabook?
(trying to create small list of actual laptops without dithering which I can buy and use)

 

[ghanwani]

Sorry for offtopic but may I ask to to provide full name/model of Dynabook?
(trying to create small list of actual laptops without dithering which I can buy and use)

This is the exact one I have

https://content.us.dynabook.com/content/product/pdf_files/detailed_specs/dba/2025/Portege_X40L-M_PZA31U-02101E_Sales_Sheet_(FEB-25).pdf

Most of their Portege lineup have EyeSafe displays. Their 13" one is under 2 lb. Other laptop makers such as HP and Dell also offer EyeSafe displays on some models.

 

[Slartibart]

as @Adora pointed already out, if you use BetterDisplay (Pro) you can deactivate PWM by finding out & defining the brightness threshold under which it is activated, and TPM can be deactivated for the internal display also. Or you can use StillColor for the same- at the very least on M1/2/3.