TenFourFox Intel

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  2. timidpimpin macrumors 6502

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    Intel Tiger only? Snow Leopard should have been the one he focused on. I bet more people run BeOS than Intel Tiger.
     
  3. B S Magnet macrumors 6502

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    Yah I’m gonna second this one big time.
     
  4. Project Alice macrumors 6502a

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    This works on SL... Anything you can run on Tiger x86 should also run on Snow Leopard.
    However I can personally confirm that TFF DOES work on SL. I was using it for months on a Core Duo iMac.
     
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    As suggested elsewhere, I did try the G3 build on SL (on a Core i5 Sandy Bridge) and, well, it crawled.
     
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    No not the PPC version. I'm referring to the Intel build linked in the OP.
     
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    I didn’t know until this minute that there had been a maintained Intel build beyond one attempt on a much earlier TFF quite a while back.

    I’ll give this a go on my SL box.
     
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    Thanks, might give it a spin on my SL VirtualBox VM.

    Cheers :)

    Hugh
     
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    Where this is an obtuse remark, please call me on it:

    Quite practically every Intel Mac made for Tiger also runs Snow Leopard natively. They’re the Xeons, Core Solos, Core Duos and Core 2 Duos. I’m not clear how the browser’s code would need to vary dramatically between a build optimized for Intel Tiger versus a build optimized for Snow Leopard.

    Is anyone able to elaborate on the technical fundamentals between these two approaches?
     
  13. timidpimpin macrumors 6502

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    I'm no developer, but the main differences would be that Leopard and Snow Leopard are reliant on sand boxing to a large degree, and Tiger optimized apps wouldn't be. While this is mostly relevant with security... it's also a fundamental part of how apps are run within the OS.
     
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    If this were a material factor in the functioning of the browser, wouldn’t there also be a need for TFF PPC builds for each of Tiger and Leopard for each of the processor architectures of G4 and G5?
     
  15. XaPHER macrumors regular

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    @B S Magnet The Ten*Fox names imply the minimum OS version, but meanwhile the browser itself fundamentally remains consistent. It's more about OS and much less CPU features (with a few exceptions of course). Each 'flavour' is built against its matching SDK (10.5, 10.6, 10.4) and can be run on a later OS X version since a Mac OS X version usually fulfills runtime system dependencies for software compiled against earlier SDKs. Different SDKs will influence how OS-integration code is built (what system-level routine to call, enable/disable feature support, use/not use shim code for missing OS feature, etc.) and that's most of it.

    10.5 and 10.6 are likely to have more solid threads support, but from an overview there are few browser features disabled from changing SDKs, (webGL can't work with 10.4, while 10.5 supports openGL 2 which makes it a possibility) and the security/sandboxing model will remain consistent within the browser.

    My answer is still pretty broad, but hopefully can still help. You probably want to look at this https://github.com/OlgaTPark/tenfourfox/wiki/en-Differences-with-Firefox
     
  16. z970mp macrumors 65816

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    I'm pretty sure TenFourFox would be much faster on Leopard if it were specifically built to take advantage of its available underlying technologies, as a TenFiveFox.

    Remember AuroraFox, for example?
     
  17. B S Magnet macrumors 6502

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    Admittedly I use the G5 build for TFF on my G5 tower as my default/routine browser, even in light of IceWeasel-PPC and ArcticFox-PPC being available. I mean, if there were a TenFiveFox for G5 processors out there, I’d switch to it in a minute. For the PowerBook G4, I’ve been rotating between all three.
     
  18. z970mp macrumors 65816

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    I get you.

    All I'd like to see is a slimmed and tuned OS-specific TenFourFox, which I have a feeling we'll be seeing after the last version rolls out, likely this year or next year.
     
  19. B S Magnet macrumors 6502

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    OK, but do you expect it be maintained with security updates?
     
  20. z970mp macrumors 65816

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    Nope.

    That was Dr. Kaiser's job, and once that's over, that'll be it. Most likely.

    Afterward, it's tweak city by the community.
     
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    OK, but do you expect it be maintained with security updates?
    Ah. Okay. ::deflated tone of voice::
     
  22. Amethyst1 macrumors 6502

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    Call me insane if you wish, but I've secretly considered going back to Tiger on Intel as my main OS more than once. I just plain love its UI, and running on Intel would mean getting great performance as well as the ability to virtualise (more) modern OSes. Having a somwhat up-to-date browser would be crucial though.

    OK, I'll stop pipe-dreaming now.
     
  23. z970mp macrumors 65816

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    On early Intels, why rely on Snow Leopard for everything when you can dual boot between Tiger for offline applications (software, complete with environment of the time, like a total time capsule) and use Mountain Lion for online applications (web browsers, email clients, instant messengers), with better support + newer technologies to boot.

    Hell, slap in an install of Debian 10, and you've got yourself a mishmash of pure OS goodness.

    That's how I see things. :)
     
  24. Amethyst1 macrumors 6502

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    Constantly rebooting would be annoying, so I'd just virtualise Debian on Tiger and use that for online activities. :)
     
  25. netsrot39 macrumors member

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    I had Tiger for about a week on my 2006 and 2007 iMac and it wasn't a pleasant experience to be honest. It was missing many drivers Wi-Fi and Ethernet for example and didn't even recognize the SSD in my machine. I never had any of those problems on these 2 machines with other versions of OS X. I'd say yes to Tiger but only on the PowerPC platform ;-)
     

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