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I am happy to report that TenFourFox isn't so slow on this PowerBook. For some reason TenFourFox seems to be pretty snappy on my 1GHZ TI G4 where as on my former 1.67 DLSD it was so so slow. Does the L3 cache have to do with this plus the fact, that I am using an M2 Sata SSD drive ?
 
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Hello,

I am happy to report that TenFourFox isn't so slow on this PowerBook. For some reason TenFourFox seems to be pretty snappy on my 1GHZ TI G4 where as on my former 1.67 DLSD it was so so slow. Does the L3 cache have to do with this plus the fact, that I am using an M2 Sata SSD drive ?

I think it runs ok on my 1.25, I have a mSata and 2 GB ram. 10.4.11
 
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Does even Discord work somewhat at least for you? In the web version? And is YouTube playback any better than it used to be? I always found TFF sluggish, but I imagine an SSD would help.
Don't have an SSD, I do want to try Discord but haven't yet. I don't play Youtube through TFF, but the 1.42GHz G4 handles 240p without a problem.
 
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Hello,

I am happy to report that TenFourFox isn't so slow on this PowerBook. For some reason TenFourFox seems to be pretty snappy on my 1GHZ TI G4 where as on my former 1.67 DLSD it was so so slow. Does the L3 cache have to do with this plus the fact, that I am using an M2 Sata SSD drive ?

To my knowledge SSDs don't make a direct impact on web browsing performance (beyond a general performance boost to the system and a boost to loading your web browser up for the first time) unless you're hitting the storage a lot, which would be the case if you had a RAM-starved system, in which case maxing out your RAM would yield the biggest performance boost. I'd wager that the L3 cache would make a bigger difference here.

Oh, and you think you've seen slow performance of TFF? Try running it on a 450 Mhz PPC 7400. It's borderline unusuable on my Sawtooth, which is why I still keep Camino around on it.
 
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To my knowledge SSDs don't make a direct impact on web browsing performance (beyond a general performance boost to the system and a boost to loading your web browser up for the first time) unless you're hitting the storage a lot, which would be the case if you had a RAM-starved system, in which case maxing out your RAM would yield the biggest performance boost. I'd wager that the L3 cache would make a bigger difference here.

Oh, and you think you've seen slow performance of TFF? Try running it on a 450 Mhz PPC 7400. It's borderline unusuable on my Sawtooth, which is why I still keep Camino around on it.
I don't think that SSDs do, as it's the CPU doing all of the work to render the page and such.

Try a 500MHz G3, barely usable for daily stuff but admittedly pretty good when it comes to being too lazy to use a flash drive and deal with USB 1.1.
 
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@Macbookprodude It often comes down to memory performance. From what I've heard the 1ghz TiBook is the preferred powerbook for many because of the L3 cache. I used a quicksilver upgraded with a 1.6ghz 7447 (later dual 1.6ghz 7447) for several years, then moved to a 1ghz (1MB L3) FW800 MDD (133mhz bus). I've used it @ 1Ghz for some time before upgrading, and the machine did feel smoother to use than my 1.6Ghz quicksilver, and probably smoother than the dual 1.6ghz at some places. Now with a dual 1.5ghz 7455 module (2MB L3) and a 166mhz bus I definitely don't want to move back to my quicksilver. Just repeating myself though.

Frequency doesn't help much on memory bandwith-starved machines like the G4s, especially when programs have not-that-good cache locality, or just very large code..
 
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I don't think that SSDs do, as it's the CPU doing all of the work to render the page and such.

Try a 500MHz G3, barely usable for daily stuff but admittedly pretty good when it comes to being too lazy to use a flash drive and deal with USB 1.1.
Try a 400mhz iMac G3 with only 256mb of ram... even loading google brought up the spinning wheel. Tenfourfox or any modern web browser will not work well or even acceptable on any G3... if only Camino wasn’t so outdated...
 
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@Macbookprodude It often comes down to memory performance. From what I've heard the 1ghz TiBook is the preferred powerbook for many because of the L3 cache. I used a quicksilver upgraded with a 1.6ghz 7447 (later dual 1.6ghz 7447) for several years, then moved to a 1ghz (1MB L3) FW800 MDD (133mhz bus). I've used it @ 1Ghz for some time before upgrading, and the machine did feel smoother to use than my 1.6Ghz quicksilver, and probably smoother than the dual 1.6ghz at some places. Now with a dual 1.5ghz 7455 module (2MB L3) and a 166mhz bus I definitely don't want to move back to my quicksilver. Just repeating myself though.

Frequency doesn't help much on memory bandwith-starved machines like the G4s, especially when programs have not-that-good cache locality, or just very large code..

Ok, am I right to say, that the DLSD 1.67 which does not have L3 cache is slower with 104fox than my TI 1GHZ ? I mean, ten fourfox is very very usable on this powerbook. I got it in very good condition, some paint came off, but everything works. It has an MSATA M2(long type) 128GB, now I know this machine takes higher than 128GB, may get a 500GB with 128GB for OS 9.2.2 which I use all the time.
 
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Yes, you're probably correct. I'm personally not a big SSD fan, though the iBook G4 I'm typing with has a 120GB actual PATA SSD. Leopard works well on it, apps barely bounce on load, and while I've noticed some quirks, it's could also be my iBook board that's just buggy. I limit my SSD usage to laptops.
 
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Try a 400mhz iMac G3 with only 256mb of ram... even loading google brought up the spinning wheel. Tenfourfox or any modern web browser will not work well or even acceptable on any G3... if only Camino wasn’t so outdated...

Try Links2 by @alex_free.

Lately, I haven't even bothered with TFF on weaker machines now that this great thing is out there.

That aside, keep in mind that foxPEP now has system requirements...
 
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I don't have a TiBook now, but I did use one in the past alongside a 1.67GHz PowerBook. If your DLSD PowerBook didn't have an SSD, then that might have had something to do with the speed difference you're seeing. In my experience, while the 1GHz TiBook felt pretty snappy next to my 1GHz iMac and even on par with a 1.25GHz Aluminum PowerBook for some tasks, it was never faster than the 1.67GHz PowerBook, in any scenario. The 1.67GHz PowerBook I have now runs TTF as well as can be expected from a 15-year-old machine.
 
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Try Links2 by @alex_free.

Lately, I haven't even bothered with TFF on weaker machines now that this great thing is out there.

Still the only up to date browser for Panther, haven’t had to update anything yet but I’ll push updates as they come. Thanks for the shoutout.
 
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