Terrible Ergonomics

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by chelsel, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. chelsel macrumors 6502

    May 24, 2007
    Whoever originally designed the MBP must have carpal tunnel by now... it's impossible to use the MacBook Pro keyboard without cutting off the circulation to your wrists...

    Are there any wrist rests for the notebook? Has anyone had success grinding down and smoothing the edges of the case?

  2. PDE macrumors 68020

    Nov 16, 2005
    Not that it was Apple's intention, but the sharp edges deter people from resting their wrists, which is a good thing. Resting your wrists on something while typing is bad for you.
  3. whooleytoo macrumors 604


    Aug 2, 2002
    Cork, Ireland.
    Odd, I'm working on a MBP and I can't see how you could cut your wrists while resting them - though you could certainly burn them!
  4. klymr macrumors 65816

    May 16, 2007
    I don't see anyway to cut or burn your wrists. Mine doesn't get hot up front, and it's not sharp around the edges. Curious...
  5. killmoms macrumors 68040


    Jun 23, 2003
    Washington, DC
    You are not supposed to rest your wrists on any surface while typing. They're supposed to remain up and off the desk/keyboard.
  6. munckee macrumors 65816

    Oct 27, 2005
    Given how long they've been using this design, I seriously doubt that there have been major problems with it. I never minded typing on my powerbooks.
  7. martinmartin macrumors 6502

    Jun 5, 2007
    I agree, I also find this uncomfortable. Most of the time, however, I'm using a bluetooth keyboard, but I was surprised at how uncomfortable it was to type on the laptop itself for extended periods of time.

    I have been using Dell laptops for the past 6 years or so and this was never an issue.

    I do type with my wrists down, not up in the air.
  8. daneoni macrumors G4


    Mar 24, 2006
    I think you mean MacBooks because i can't see the flaw you're describing on my MacBook Pro. In fact, its one of the reason i ditched the MacBook line...
  9. PimpDaddy macrumors 6502


    May 9, 2007
    Uhm, what? I only use the keyboard on my MBP and I write articles, use AIM alot and post messages on several forums. Have absolutely no problems with it. If it's a problem for you and you use your computer at home maybe you should consider buying an external keyboard :)

    Say what? You must be kidding. No one I've seen using a computer (besides people who use them very little and don't know how type with more than 2 fingers at a time) has done that.

    Your suggestion would not be very ergonomic(to me at least)

  10. klymr macrumors 65816

    May 16, 2007
    You've never heard that?
  11. Alloye macrumors 6502a

    Apr 11, 2007
    Rocklin, CA
    Here's an article on the subject. And another. Both recommend that you keep your wrists straight during keyboarding and only use a wrist wrest during breaks (not while actually typing).

    That being said, I almost always rest my wrists. :eek:
  12. Sounds Good macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2007
    I never type with my wrists up and off the keyboard. They are always resting on the laptop's wristpad.
  13. PDE macrumors 68020

    Nov 16, 2005
    It's a very well-known fact (meaning, it's been supported by a lot of scientific research) that resting your wrists on anything while typing is not healthy because it compresses the small bones in your wrists (the carpal bones) which, in turn compress the nerves. It also forces you to use your fingers more when typing (instead of your whole arm, swinging) and puts you at risk for tendonitis in the in the hands, which is what happened to me.

    This is not a matter of what is ergonomic for one person is not for another. It's a matter of physiology and body mechanics. You may be fine resting wrists on the palmrest for a long time, even forever, or it may cause damage. some people are more sensitive than others, but why take the risk? I can tell you from personal experience that it is not worth it.

    In any case, Apple obviously was only concerned with beauty when they designed the MBP and macbook, not genuine ergonomics. There are more ergonomic laptops out there if you look at case design, trackpad button design, display height and tilt, for example.
  14. gtgrad95 macrumors 6502

    May 15, 2007
    Atlanta, GA.
    That's weird. I've had my MBP for a couple of weeks and have noticed the same thing. The sharp corners bother the underside of my wrists. I'm used to typing with my palm resting down. I think it's awkward to actually type with your palms (and wrist) in the air. Normally, I do my work sitting on a chair with the laptop in my lap or sitting down on the sofa with my feet extended and the laptop resting on the lap.

    Doing some searches, I was actually surprised that I didn't find a lot of other complaints of this design.
  15. PimpDaddy macrumors 6502


    May 9, 2007
    Guess we're all learning something new everyday :)

    Thanks for the links to Alloye
  16. kolax macrumors G3

    Mar 20, 2007
    I type while resting my wrists on my MBP and haven't any problems at all.

    I do notice a sharp pain (rarely happens) - almost like an electric shock but not the usual static the MBP gives off - it is a really sharp piercing pain like I put my arm on a sharp pin.
  17. PDE macrumors 68020

    Nov 16, 2005

    No problems? So the sharp, piercing pain is normal to you? Do yourself a big favour and be careful...
  18. kolax macrumors G3

    Mar 20, 2007

    I said I won't have any problems with resting my wrists on the laptop while typing - as I don't. A problem would be something that is consistent; like that the OP said.

    My problem is merely nothing and happens rarely - not even sure what it is; could be my wrists for all I know doing something weird!
  19. PDE macrumors 68020

    Nov 16, 2005
    Well, no, a problem is anything that may be related to the way you are using your computer. It may be occasional now, but chronic next year. It's often the case that people start with the occasional pain, ignore it, and then develop chronic problems that can take years to resolve.

    What you describe sounds like a typical nerve pinch. And as you say, it could be anything - including the way you use your MBP. Only time will tell, but why would you want to wait that long when adjusting your way of typing is easy and painless now? Just offering advice. I went through hell because I ignored the initial, and very occasional, manifestations. Even after two years of physical therapy, my hands do not feel the way use to.
  20. kolax macrumors G3

    Mar 20, 2007
    I'd hope my hands don't end up like that!

    It's hard to describe, I'm pretty sure it is static, but I really only notice it when I'm using my laptop on my lap and my wrists are properly resting on the MBP.

    I dunno how I type normally, sometimes my wrists are touching sometimes they aren't.
  21. niele macrumors member

    Jul 9, 2007
    I'm getting an ilap in hopes that I can rest my wrists in comfort. :D
  22. PDE macrumors 68020

    Nov 16, 2005
    Enjoy the compression!
  23. tw0k1ngs macrumors newbie

    Jul 14, 2007
    I don't seem to have any troubles... The wrist "pads" (the heavily padded bone on the inset of each palm) act like a cushion-y axis on which my entire hands and arms pivot... my "wrists" don't even touch the laptop... extremely comfortable and effective.

    Don't blame Apple for your physical deformities.

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