Honestly, you’re not going to get a proper answer as we already have seen with the response to this.
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Test Suggests Face ID on iPhone 13 Doesn't Work After Screen Replacement By Third Party
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So you take it for gospel everything in the video then? because you must be if you and others are giving me grief about the video. A youtuber says things and it is automatically accepted as truth and fact even when no proper investigation has been done. Is that how you accept things is it?
Edit: Oh and you want to know how I know it as fact that a proper investigation was not carried out of the iphone 13 LCD assembly? From what I know of from seeing schematics, every iphone since the iphone SE has two communication data line on the iphone's LCD connector, a SDA and a SCK. The ONLY way these data signals can communicate with the LCD and the phones logic board is if the LCD assembly has electronic components on it that allows the communication to take place. The fact that swapping the LCD's from one iphone 13 to another prevents FaceID from working means there has to be communication going on from those data signals from the LCD to the logic because if there wasn't, the LCD swap would have worked.
I've fixed enough iphones in the past and starred at many iphone schematics to understand the rudimental of how FaceID works and how the LCD assembly works.
If you want to take the youtubers word as gospel go right ahead. I chose to not be so blinkered. Here is where I end the discussion on the matter.
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The questions about your statements are unrelated to the individual who created the video. You've made claims which, from what I've seen, are not backed with facts but rather your conjecture. You may very well be correct but, at least as far as I've seen from you, your statements are nothing more than speculation so you shouldn't be trying to pass them off as fact.
Unfortunately, this seems to happen frequently here with certain people.
As opposed to some random poster on a forum ? Also, that YouTuber, by all accounts, appears to have been doing this a long time so I’m sure he knows just as much as you ?
I’d say that’s not up to Apple to decide.
Apple make the hardware and naturally they repair products to a high quality and don't cheap out on "el-cheapo" parts. Yes you pay more but I prefer quality over quantity and this way Apple is liable if any issues occur. Fixing it yourself means you are legally liable and you accept responsibility and you void the warrant if it has one. Why would you want to take such a risk financially or otherwise? We know for a fact third party repairers who are not Apple authorised cannot supply the same parts and therefore they are not genuine and I would not risk it in any device.
It does not matter if the device is out of warranty and who keeps devices for 3 plus years these days? We should not be psychologically or mentally linked to a device. If people want to keep these devices for this long and then expect Apple to simply let go of the reigns so they can repair their devices with Apple parts for a cheaper cost, then they need their head read. Why in the world would Apple allow backyard bob to fix their own device with possible legal issues where the "fixer" tries to fall back on Apple when something goes wrong? It appears very few of you understand the many legal issues regarding this especially in such a litigious society where everyone is trying to pass blame.
I don't care about e-waste and I will not accept the psychology of blaming the consumer when the manufacturer makes these devices. Here in my country there are no companies who offer e-waste services because every company wants to profit from it on top of the cost of the device. The owner / purchaser receives no financial incentive to recycle anything and yet the e-waste company wants you to effectively "donate" your expensive hardware so they can make a profit. No thanks I will pass. Who in their right mind gives away their old electronic devices for a private company to profiteer? Furthermore, when I upgrade I trade my iPhone in for the new model, I don't chuck it away.
I will not partake in this corrupt industry.
I can understand in warranty repair, which would be free anyway.
But if my phone, my computer or anything is outside warranty, I can do to whatever place I want. Not all third party parts are “el-cheapo” parts. You do whatever you want, but this doesn’t mean right to repair shouldn’t exists.
I have been replacing battery on few of my old iPhones and I have replaced screen on sever iPhone as well. They all worked as intended, and none of the third party battery exploded on me. So tell me, why should I spend 190 dollars (that is in Canadian), to get Apple replace my iPhone 8’s screen when you can get a used one for much cheaper?
So if I shutter my iPhone 13’s screen, this would not covered in warranty anyway. So, it is my choice to go with third party replacement screen.
Apple just trying to monopolize repair market for iPhone and trying to control its users. So big **** you to Apple.
I do and my parents do. My parents still using iPhone 7 and they see now need to replace it. And I replaced screen and battery for my dad.
Apple is liable for what issues? If you want to select Apple to repair your devices that's your right. As it should be the right for others to choose whichever repair they deem appropriate for their situation. You may have the resources (financial means, location to Apple store, etc) but others may not.
Who's fault is it that third parties do not have access to genuine Apple parts? Hint: It's not the third party. This is an artificial limit imposed by Apple.
As you touched on already, some people keep their devices past the length of time that the manufacturer will repair (warranty or otherwise) after which time they will not repair the device. This leaves third party repairs as the only option.
I’m not really gonna get into that type of discussion.
I just know they couldn’t get Face ID to work. Maybe someone needs to think about why that is, And whether it was done “correctly”. Clearly it wasn’t done correctly because Face ID doesn’t work anymore
Well I be darned. Whoever does those turbocharger replacements was doing so good that they can stack their own warranty on top of the dealer warranty. And that’s cool.
What are those Dyno chips or whatever, they will take a BMW three series and add 120 hp just by swapping out a little microchip and fully warrantee it.
so yeah it can be done
If I got a screen replacement done at some shop and Face ID won’t work I don’t think it would be worth paying for that. The repair shop should become Apple certified! Simple.
A third party replacing an OEM turbo charger would not invalidate a warranty. It may invalidate any factory warranty on that particular part if the manufacturer can demonstrate the 3rd party incorrectly installed it But that begs the question: Why would anyone go to a third party for work which is covered under warranty?
Dyno chips are not an equivalent comparison. Still, the manufacturer would have to demonstrate such a chip caused the specific failure of the item in question. IOW it wouldn't invalidate warranty coverage for the audio system.
I am completely in agreement with you if the device is under warranty that in most cases it's better to have Apple or one of their certified partners perform the work. It's free, so why incur a fee?
Becoming certified carries its own headaches. Alternatively why does Apple just not make parts available to anyone who wishes to buy them?
Why not could plausibly be because “security” I suppose. I’m only guessing, but the iPhone 13 is pretty new right? Who is replacing screens and complaining about Face ID already?
This is quite an angry and naive post, not certain i can fully see the perspective, but i'll bite and try to unpack some of this..
In response to "who keeps devices for 3 years plus these days?", this is the naive aspect as mentioned, and let me tell you there are plenty of people that do for sure, even Apple themselves (and the handset industry as a whole) recognise that people don't replace handsets anything like each year. For me, even though i can certainly afford a new handset more frequently than i do change, i make the choice to replace it once it stops meeting my needs.. perhaps the battery it out of cycles, or perhaps the workloads i want to do not longer run well enough. It's at that point, which could be many years, that i take the choice to replace. There isn't any "psychologically link", i'm not sure where that one came from? Are you suggesting people feel emotionally attached to their devices?
Regarding "I don't care about e-waste" comment, this truly saddens me, as it is something everyone should care about, be aware of, and try to reduce. However, the whole concern around electronic waste is not to do with firms profiting from them requesting you to donate it, it is more to do with the constant, unnecessary creation of waste as people replace a device every year even though perhaps they don't really need to. You mention "in my country", i don't know what country that is, but i'd be keen to know as it might put some perspective on this.
In our household we try very hard not to create unnecessary waste at all, be that purchasing things that can be repaired, or even recycled at the end of their life, but also making the choice not to simply replace things that are perfectly good just because a new thing is out. Regarding technology it's a case of weighing up the use-cases of the replacement and if it's the right thing to do. Sometime it's simply a case of do you "need" it, or do you "want" it.. Now i'm no saint, and admittedly don't always get it right, or it's not always possible but i am thankful for having the privilege to make these choices, and i am a big proponent of giving choice to consumers as i've said in other posts.
I would be interested to hear more on these 'legal issues' that you speak of, are there any known cases of consumers attempting action against Apple due to the impact of a third party repair? I can't think of a situation where this might be an issue, and i also can't think of a situation where anything would even hold up in court (if it got that far). Can you elaborate on the "many legal issues" that might transpire please? I am not being trite, but am genuinely curious.
Your comments, and phrasing strike me as being quite young, and i don't mean that as a slur. But if that is indeed the case, you'll realise as you get older that it's not all about getting the shiny new thing all the time, and other things are important too. Waste is one of these, but so is giving consumers choice, and ensuring consumers are informed. Apple has a stranglehold on the aftermarket (although there are some real stars out there), and it is anti-consumer for sure. The protect their brand image by actively preventing consumer choice, and artificially making devices end of life due to small (replacement battery, replace screen) repairs not being economically viable for the device.
As an anecdote, i have an iPhone 7 that i use as a 3rd device, and also for testing. It still functions perfectly fine, and there is nothing wrong with it. The battery health is in the trash, and eventually will need a replacement, maybe next year. This is a device that probably isn't worth $100 yet still has value to me, it is simple logic to seek the most economical repair, and at 5+ years old i wouldn't even expect Apple to care or be interested.
This wouldn't really be a problem if the parts, and perhaps manuals were available too. The need for donor devices, and any sort of 'guesswork' is in part due to the artificial lack of availability created by the manufacturer.
Leaning on the car analogy that is prevalent throughout the thread.. plenty of 3rd party specialise garages exist. The best ones are staffed by ex-manufacturer specific engineers and marque specific. These are the only place i would ever take my out of warranty car as often have highly trained staff (the place i took my car to had 3x BMW Master Technicians) and crucially access to the same parts, and diagnostic machines because they are available to purchase and not guarded by the manufacturer.
A consumer with a choice is the best outcome here. I LOVED being able to chat with the technicians looking after my cars, the whole experience was lightyears better than the manufacturer service centre that is typically just a unit shifter. Also supporting local businesses is cool ?
".....everyone should care about". It is your opinion that "everyone should care about e-waste" and while I recognize your feelings: "it....truly saddens me"; those are your feelings, and cannot be generalized to "everyone". I think much of the acrimony and division in our culture derives from people who attempt to impose their own values and feelings onto others who have different opinions. Emphatically stating that other people, much less "everyone", should adhere to some random opinion or feeling expressed in a forum can lead to unnecessary arguments.
ok, i hear that. i understand if i said "everyone should believe in god" that would be hugely inappropriate, even if only from the simple perspective that there are lots of other faiths with different deities - so you do have a point.
again an opinion, but one that not too tricky to all agree on, rampant unabated consumption (phones, cars, clothes, TVs) is something should all be aware and mindful of as it all has to go somewhere when you're done with it ?
p.s. nice dog, i also have a dachshund ?