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- a keyboard and trackpad worse than any of the macbooks
- slowly creeping to the same size/ thickness/ weight
- no structural rigidity
- an incredibly limited OS compared to macOS (no default apps, childish file-manager and overall functions)
- an incredibly CLOSED OS. Don't have the money to pay month after month for a calendar app that you previously used to own and pay only when the upgrade was worth it? Tough luck! Apple wants developers to move to a subscription model and you have to pay for it.
- an increasingly CLOSED device with close to ZERO repair possibility.
- a device that degrades from HW and SW perspective faster than what used to be called laptops/ workhorses
- being in need to exchange it like socks; don't worry though you can pay rent for it, as you never owned it even when you bought it. Tough luck if you can't afford to pay rent for a "WORKHORSE" in times like these.

Oh, and whatever happened to "we think Surface is dumb and people don't want to move the hand from trackpad and keyboard to a touchscreen, that is why we are not retooling macOS"?

I know they say don’t feed the trolls, but....

The Magic Keyboard appears to be the same mechanism from the 16” MBP And new Air.
The iPad Pro has more than enough structural rigidity.
There are an awful lot of people who are able to use their iPad as their primary machine now. Just because it doesn’t work for you...
Genuinely no idea what the next point is on about.
Zero repair possibility? You’ve seen what‘s happened to MacBooks over the last 4 years right?
Device “degrading” - the iPad seems to have an incredibly long useful life going by posts on here and the amount of hand-me-down devices i see in use, particularly amongst families.

As to the last point, I don’t think people ever said the Surface was dumb. Microsoft have done some really smart & interesting things with the line, but having a desktop OS at the centre of a touch-centric device just doesn’t work. If you’ve used one, it makes perfect sense as to why Apple isn’t adding touch to macOS.

.... and breathe.
 
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you do understand that many of us iPad users have other powerful laptop and desktop computers we use as well, right? My iPad is my casual device I use when I’m not doing heavy lifting work, or when I’m traveling light. Much of the time it’s used as a tablet or a notebook with the Pencil. A keyboard with trackpad will only enhance the device further. An iPad is more reliable than any pc (even a Mac), ready to go on shorter notice, longer battery life, and much thinner and lighter. The main downside has been that even minor text handling has been excruciating without a mouse.

That said, I am most certainly holding out for Apple‘s version.
There's no way the average person travels enough for this to matter. 13" MBA weighs 2.75 pounds and can be charged with USB-C. Even for casual stuff, the iPad can be a liability. Gotta download an app for everything you'd normally just do in-browser, or sometimes you're out of luck entirely, like on every single flight I've taken that provides free movies on your own device. I get that if you want to draw things, it's great.
 
I know they say don’t feed the trolls, but....

The Magic Keyboard appears to be the same mechanism from the 16” MBP And new Air.
The iPad Pro has more than enough structural rigidity.
There are an awful lot of people who are able to use their iPad as their primary machine now. Just because it doesn’t work for you...
Genuinely no idea what the next point is on about.
Zero repair possibility? You’ve seen what‘s happened to MacBooks over the last 4 years right?
Device “degrading” - the iPad seems to have an incredibly long useful life going by posts on here and the amount of hand-me-down devices i see in use, particularly amongst families.

As to the last point, I don’t think people ever said the Surface was dumb. Microsoft have done some really smart & interesting things with the line, but having a desktop OS at the centre of a touch-centric device just doesn’t work. If you’ve used one, it makes perfect sense as to why Apple isn’t adding touch to macOS.

.... and breathe.
Agreed, the experience will be very similar to the MacBook and the trackpad is fantastic on Magic Trackpad and will be the same on the magic keyboard I’m sure.
 
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I just ordered the Brydge Pro+ for my new iPad Pro. I might have gone for the Magic Keyboard with its freedom in viewing angle etc. But I need to have a Hand-e-Holder on the back of my iPad so I can easily handle it while walking around in a classroom or lecture hall during a presentation (whenever that will be possible again ;-).
I had the corresponding Brydge with my iPad Air 2 and it was just what I needed. So I'm continuing what for me has been a proven and very successful setup.
 
I know they say don’t feed the trolls, but....

The Magic Keyboard appears to be the same mechanism from the 16” MBP And new Air.
The iPad Pro has more than enough structural rigidity.
There are an awful lot of people who are able to use their iPad as their primary machine now. Just because it doesn’t work for you...
Genuinely no idea what the next point is on about.
Zero repair possibility? You’ve seen what‘s happened to MacBooks over the last 4 years right?
Device “degrading” - the iPad seems to have an incredibly long useful life going by posts on here and the amount of hand-me-down devices i see in use, particularly amongst families.

As to the last point, I don’t think people ever said the Surface was dumb. Microsoft have done some really smart & interesting things with the line, but having a desktop OS at the centre of a touch-centric device just doesn’t work. If you’ve used one, it makes perfect sense as to why Apple isn’t adding touch to macOS.

.... and breathe.


So your start of a civilised reply is to label someone? Anything other than positive things to say is trolling in your book?
- the ipad pro structural rigidity is so good that they come bent in the box, and indeed the www is full of customers complaining about how easy they bend;
- the hostile policy convergence of repairability is indeed going on for some time, and macs are suffering the most both due to actively making them obsolete as a product-line and because of the case study on idevices that shows you can do it, get away with it and pose as green company;
- would you say that the useful life of an ipad is longer than that of a macbook? Both from a HW (think battery degradation, how the OS handles it and cost options to fix it) and SW perspective were mind you after ios is no longer supported, lots of apps stop to be maintained or even "allowed" to run on older ios versions;

With regards to the jabs at the surface pro there are several pieces hinting of how apple changed their mind, here's one https://www.macobserver.com/news/craig-federighi-no-touchscreen-mac/
 
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